7. Hypnagogic Blue Balls

Olivia’s nightmare channels a Weeping Angel from the Doctor Who universe that follows her between dreams.  Victor tells the story…...

Olivia’s nightmare channels a Weeping Angel from the Doctor Who universe that follows her between dreams.  Victor tells the story of how his lucid dreaming stint was cut short by Napoleon. A bloody birthday party gets a little too personal, and an ugly, yellow Gorpy Fish tries to tell Olivia to look inward… she declines, but never fear, The Dream Team is here to facilitate further introspection.

0:00 Intro

14:18 Olivia's Dream

22:20 Victor's Napoleon story

About Dream Bible:

Dream Bible is a free online A to Z dream dictionary dedicated to helping people understand the meaning of their dreams. Unlike other dream interpretation websites or books we extensively research dream symbols by interviewing people about the events occurring in their lives at the time of their dreams.  Inspired by the work of Gillian Holloway Ph.D, we are using a database of over 350,000 dream reports to create the world's most practical dream dictionary based on the waking life experiences of regular people.


Dream Bible entries used in this episode:

Statues: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=statue

Pregnancy: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=pregnancy

Bow and Arrow: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=Bow+And+Arrow

Birthday Party: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=birthday+party

Birthday Cake: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=Birthday+Cake

Fishing: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=fishing

Fish: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=fish

Following: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=following

Eyes: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=eyes

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Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] Zach: Welcome to The Jung and the Restless I'm Zach.

[00:00:03] Olivia: I'm Olivia.

[00:00:04]Victor: And I'm Victor. And this is the podcast that we thought would be funny, but is actually sad most of the. 

Intro Music

[00:00:29] Olivia: So I had three different people tell me like a prophetic dream this week 

[00:00:41] Zach: three people, you know, had a prophetic dreams?

[00:00:44] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:00:46] Zach: What, like how far apart were the, the was the prophecy and the, the fulfillment

[00:00:52] Olivia: Well, um, the next day each time for all three of them.

[00:00:59] Zach: That's weird.

[00:01:00] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:01:01] Zach: Can you give us a rundown?

[00:01:04] Olivia: Yeah. So, um, I will, confirm with her that we're, it's good to share this, but, uh, so one friend told me that she had a dream that she saw a little kid drop a ball, and she looked down at the ball and it had two brown fetuses on it. And the next day her dad told her that they, they were doing I V F and that they lost two of their fetuses.

[00:01:33] Zach: i v. S.

[00:01:34] Olivia: I V F 

in vitro fertilization, so they're trying to have a baby. Um, so like she saw, she saw a, a kid drop two fetuses on the ground, and the next day her dad said, we lost two of our fetuses.

[00:01:48] Zach: oh, weird.

[00:01:49] Olivia: Yeah. And then my mom told me that she had a dream that there was an earthquake. And then the next day, [00:02:00] this isn't necessarily a prophetic thing, but she, she had a dream that there was an earthquake, and then the next day she got in the car and turned on npr.

And they were talking about how all of, all of the bridges in Seattle are like seismically unsafe, if there was an earthquake.

[00:02:14] Zach: Hmm.

[00:02:14] Olivia: Yeah. And, and then another friend messaged me saying that, he had a dream that, I don't think that, I think this is an old dream, but he told it to me yesterday, um, he had a dream that his cousin was like a, like a cancer patient and having chemo.

And that he saw her like, wasting away like in 

Like a time lapse, like in the hospital. And then he called her the next day and she was in Costa Rica and had been like, uh, she had like a violent encounter with somebody who like dragged her by her hair or something.

[00:02:47] Zach: Jesus.

[00:02:48] Olivia: Yeah. 

Uh, he 

had seen her hair falling out too.

That was one thing he said. Um,

[00:02:53] Zach: But no cancer.

[00:02:55] Olivia: no cancer, just, you know, uh,

bad guys.

[00:02:58] Zach: yeah, attack's [00:03:00] not good either, but,

[00:03:01] Olivia: No, not ideal.

[00:03:02] Zach: yeah, that's, that's a lot of, um, uh, what's the word? It's like the word that means like serendipity, but it, it has more of a woo connotation. You know what I mean?

[00:03:13] Olivia: Um,

[00:03:15] Victor: Synchronicity.

[00:03:16] Zach: it is. Synchronicity.

[00:03:17] Olivia: Co winky 

[00:03:18] Zach: Ka winky dink.

[00:03:22] Victor: What if it was a radioactive mugger though, right? And they're just giving cancer to 


that they 

[00:03:27] Olivia: Mm-hmm.


[00:03:29] Victor: Mm-hmm. 

[00:03:29] Zach: I thought you were 

gonna say Yeah, 

[00:03:31] Olivia: the fetus one was especially spooky, though.

[00:03:34] Victor: the fetus one. Yeah. It was definitely the weirdest one.

[00:03:38] Zach: yeah, yeah. Because the, the others do seem like, like you could chalk it up to, to ku winky dink, uh,

[00:03:47] Victor: Yeah. I'll believe your mom's psychic when we have an 

[00:03:49] Olivia: earthquake. Yeah, that's right.

[00:03:51] Zach: Do you, do you guys get earthquakes up?

[00:03:54] Victor: Rarely.

[00:03:55] Olivia: Yeah. So the whole. Thing about Seattle is, [00:04:00] since I was conscious, I've been hear hearing about the big one and we have been waiting, 

and it could happen today, it could happen in a hundred years, but, uh, essentially it's gonna fuck us all over and we are, our infrastructure is not at all built to

[00:04:19] Zach: is it's supposed to cause a tidal wave, right?

[00:04:22] Olivia: It's, there's gonna be a lot of flooding. Yeah. Um, but, they don't wanna, they don't wanna pay to fix some things. Seems to be the issue.

[00:04:32] Zach: yeah. We're apparently having a heat wave here in Los Angeles. It just seems warm to me. I mean, it's, it's been like 90 degrees for, I don't like a week, I don't, in Denver it, it used to get like 109, like frequently throughout August. Um, but it was dry heat, but it just, I don't, I don't know. I guess in temperate places people make a bigger deal out of like a, a couple degrees.

Um, Because even [00:05:00] that last summer in that I spent in Seattle, when we had that like super brutal heat wave 

that like killed all those people. Cuz speaking of being unprepared, 

what is it like seven, 7% of homes in Seattle have ac?

Do you guys have AC 

after that? 

[00:05:14] Victor: do actually, 

[00:05:15] Olivia: we do have ac

[00:05:16] Zach: good because that was, I had did stay in a hotel

[00:05:20] Olivia: it was

[00:05:20] Zach: during that. 

[00:05:21] Olivia: Yeah, we were still in our little apartment for that.

[00:05:24] Victor: Well, 

so there's, there were two, there was one where we were in our little apartment and there was really bad 

[00:05:31] Olivia: wildfires. 

Yeah. Was that what the one you're talking

[00:05:33] Zach: I'm talking about the heat, the heat dome,

[00:05:35] Olivia: the, well, that was last summer, right? 2021.

[00:05:39] Zach: Yeah. That was when it didn't get below. I don't think it went below, below 90 even at night. 

And that, 


[00:05:45] Olivia: really hot. 

[00:05:46] Zach: that 

was the 

[00:05:46] Victor: we were, 

[00:05:47] Zach: it killed all those people was because your body needs like to cool down at some point and, and just wasn't happening for a lot of people.

[00:05:54] Victor: Yeah. 

I think we're, we were in our house by the time that happened. 

It seems like [00:06:00] Texas now is like having all these power grid problems, right? Where it's like in the summer it's too hot for the power grid, and in the winter it's too cold for the power grid, and it's just like constantly an issue.

[00:06:12] Zach: Yeah. It's funny how people just show up at places and they're like, in Seattle, they like the settlers. It was like, You know, gray and drizzly for 10 days in a row, and they're like, well, this is how it's gonna be forever, so let's just throw up some bridges and not worry about earthquakes. And

[00:06:27] Victor: mm-hmm.

[00:06:28] Olivia: Yeah. Yeah. No, it seems to be getting increasingly warm in the summers. 

think this is gonna be like, like we're gonna have climate refugees up here.

[00:06:40] Zach: , that hotel that I stayed in during the heat dome that, that was a pretty funny story though. Did I tell you guys about that?

[00:06:46] Olivia: I don't remember

[00:06:48] Zach: somehow, The only, uh, hotel that was available was like downtown, like near the water. Um, it was like a super nice, like what's, what's the highest number of [00:07:00] stars Is it for, for a hotel?

[00:07:02] Olivia: five.

[00:07:03] Victor: and a half 

[00:07:03] Zach: It was the kind where you, like, you see a concierge first and somehow, yeah. I don't know how I thought they'd be gouging people cuz of the heat wave, like the, they were all full up, but they had one room and it was like a flood with people like me who would not normally be at a four star hotel. Um, it was just a crazy experience cause I've never, you walk in, there's a concierge, you gets your name and then you go up an elevator check in.

So by the time you get, there're like, oh, Mr. Ward, here's your champagne. and then Then my room took like an extra like, I don't know, half an hour to get ready cuz they were so flooded so like a complimentary room service.

so it was just weird like going from, you know, the street level where it's like I am legend out, like all these homeless people di dying in the street to being like sitting in my like jean shorts, eating salmon and watching hockey.

[00:07:57] Olivia: I, I feel like, um, people [00:08:00] they have this idea that like, Seattle is like a war zone or something. . 

[00:08:04] Victor: People have this really unhealthy like, view of homeless 

people. Like, they should just like disappear into nothingness somehow, 


[00:08:14] Zach: like they're an aesthetic problem.

[00:08:16] Victor: Exactly. Yeah. Or like, oh, well you're just in an inconvenience to me cuz you're like, between me and like my brunch 



Like, and you should be somewhere else, but.

Not, not a lot of thought into where they should be constructively, 


[00:08:32] Olivia: don't wanna have to think, and. Have feelings about it. I saw somebody posting on Facebook about, um, there was like a homeless person sleeping on the sidewalk in our town, which is a small town. Yeah. Um, and they were concerned with having to explain it to their kids.

And it was like,

[00:08:52] Zach: Yeah, 


classic argument. 

[00:08:55] Victor: I

[00:08:55] Olivia: think that like, that's a reality of the world and you should [00:09:00] have that conversation with your kid, you

[00:09:01] Zach: Yeah. You had the kid you to talk to it. That's part of the deal.

[00:09:06] Olivia: Mm-hmm.

[00:09:08] Zach: Uh, yeah. And it, it's, it's such a layered problem too, cuz it's not like if I, uh, got kicked outta my apartment tomorrow, I wouldn't go straight to being homeless. You know what I mean? It's like generations of failure at like mental healthcare 

and, the foster system and, and social services.

It's, it's like so many stratify layers of failure,

[00:09:31] Victor: Yeah. 

And there's not one answer that is gonna solve the problem for all homeless people. Right. It's like there's very specific situations

that individual people are dealing 


[00:09:42] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:09:43] Zach: It's not just that they don't have jobs. 

That's, that's not a one and done.

[00:09:47] Olivia: Yeah. Well, and like I've heard that actually giving people a home Yeah. Is 

[00:09:56] Victor:

[00:09:57] Olivia: great way to solve that problem. Like giving, [00:10:00] giving people a place that is theirs, not a shelter. Like it's their own space and they can live there, they can keep their things there. It's an address. Um, like that is really like the baseline for like helping people with those other issues.

Um, but that's, people have a real problem with that.

[00:10:21] Victor: I saw this really great tweet the other day. I, I can't remember who who said it, I can't remember how to attribute it, but it, it was this tweet that was like, government says, Hey, we're gonna spend $120,000 a year housing this person.

And everybody's like, what are you doing? That's my tax dollars. What if we told you they had a tiny amount of marijuana in their pocket? Oh yeah. No. Spend all the money you need. Absolutely.

 Is that 

[00:10:45] Olivia: how much it costs

[00:10:46] Victor: to imprison 

[00:10:47] Olivia: people 

For one person?

[00:10:49] Victor: It can be very 

expensive. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. 

It's a crazy amount of money to, to imprison somebody that we're, no, no one ever questions those expenses.

But then if it's something [00:11:00] constructive to like build somebody up, uh, then people get all upset about where their tax money 

is going.

[00:11:06] Olivia: We've talked about this before, but it's like, I feel like there's just a baseline that people should be entitled to like, give every person like a tiny little house, a old tiny home.

And if you want to work up and get like a better house, like you can absolutely do that, but it's like not taking anything away from you to like, 

[00:11:29] Zach: I don't 

know. It's starting to sound like socialism.

[00:11:34] Olivia: oops.

[00:11:35] Zach: Oops. LA's trying to pass this thing. I don't know if the voting happened already. Uh, I'm not registered to vote here, uh, yet.

Um, they're trying to force hotels, who have vacancies every night. Like let's say you're a hotel. The deadline to book, like if I wanna book at your hotel, the deadline is 3:00 PM So every day by 3:00 PM they have to submit their vacan.

And then allow homeless people to stay [00:12:00] to, to fill up their vacancies every night. Every night. Basically.

[00:12:04] Olivia: all hotels.

[00:12:05] Zach: hotels 

[00:12:06] Victor: That's really interesting. 

[00:12:07] Zach: yeah. 

[00:12:08] Olivia: gonna be like a line out the door at the, at the Fancy Hotels.

[00:12:12] Zach: I really hope it passes. Cause that's gonna be hilarious to watch people at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Like, I can't believe you're letting him stay here. You know, I paid $600 a night,

[00:12:25] Olivia: Do you have to prove you're homeless to get to stay there for free?

[00:12:28] Zach: I don't know. How would you,

[00:12:31] Olivia: I don't know. 


[00:12:32] Zach: you need to 

submit your lack of bills.

[00:12:34] Victor: a license? I, I had not heard of that. What I had heard of was, I think they do it up here in various places, is like buying hotels, like buying the building and converting it into like low to no income housing, which I think is kind of a cool program.

It's interesting to do that with a hotel that's still in operation and you've got like this stratified situation in the hotel.

[00:12:58] Zach: Yeah. Cause you know, like those Yeah. [00:13:00] In Beverly Hills and Bel Air and stuff, they're, they're definitely going to like, it's gonna be degrading, they're gonna be like making 'em go through the same like service entrance as the, you know, uh, immigrant employees that work in the kitchen and like, 


[00:13:13] Victor: like, okay, you can stay here, but you have to wear a bag on your head at all times.

[00:13:16] Zach: Yeah. So 


[00:13:17] Olivia: Okay, you can stay here, but we're gonna give you a shower and we're gonna give you clean clothes so that you blend right in. How about that

[00:13:25] Victor: Well, that would be

[00:13:26] Olivia: nice. Yeah.

[00:13:27] Zach: yeah. Might actually improve the situation. Um, but yeah. How did we get here?

[00:13:32] Olivia: I dunno. 

You wanna talk about dreams? 

You know, 

[00:13:35] Victor: know, libertarians like dreams too, 

[00:13:36] Olivia: guys, 

[00:13:37] Victor: when we're just like, we're getting political, we're drawing lines in the sand, driving away our, our, uh, listener 

[00:13:43] Olivia: base. 

[00:13:44] Victor: Why has 

everything gotta be political all the time? 

Olivia Dream

[00:13:47] Zach: [00:14:00] It's hard to, uh, gracefully, uh, transition out of politics. You know what I mean?

[00:14:22] Olivia: Yeah. Yeah. Any political dreams?

[00:14:28] Zach: No, I did, I did have a dream the other night, but I'm afraid to talk about it cuz of what it might mean. So we should do your dream

[00:14:34] Olivia: Ooh, Zach. You can't tell us things like that because

[00:14:37] Victor: We 

gotta do it. Yeah. It's actually, it's gonna turn out. It means you're just a great guy cuz you're scared of it and then it's the one you're not scared 


[00:14:45] Olivia: Yeah, that's right. 

[00:14:47] Zach: that's true. Well, let's do Olivia's first so I can think about it.

[00:14:50] Olivia: All right, I have to like, close my eyes and remember this. Okay. So I was in like this [00:15:00] cathedral school and it was dark. It was like a gothic, a architecture building. It was dark in there. Um, and I'm standing in kind of like a foyer, there's like en stairs up the entryway, and I'm standing at the top of the stairs and, I look over and like, I can make out the image of a statue in the dark.

It's a, it's like a 10 foot tall statue of a woman. 


kind of like Greek style statue. 

[00:15:34] Victor: And, 

[00:15:34] Olivia: um, this thing doesn't feel good. It's like got dark vibes and I look over. In the other direction. And on the wall I see like a sigil and I see two other sigils on other parts of the wall. And I look back over at the statue and it had moved closer to me.[00:16:00] 

And like at this point I knew that it was not just a statue. And 


it was kind of like going, it, it, I had some like, disjunctive cognition stuff where it was like kind of going between a statue and a woman who was pregnant, the statue didn't seem pregnant, but the woman who was also the statue was pregnant.

And there was this gory scene where she, like, she didn't give birth, but like her pregnant belly was like kind of sloughed off.

[00:16:35] Victor: off

[00:16:36] Olivia: And there was like blood and guts everywhere. 

[00:16:41] Victor: And 

[00:16:42] Olivia: this point I'm like, I don't like this. I'm gonna leave this situation. And so I run down the stairs and out of this dark gothic interior, and it's daylight outside.

at some point I had sent friends to go get pizza. I don't know, [00:17:00] um, if that's relevant , but, um, I am now going to try and fly away, and so I, I start to fly and it's not just me. I look around and there's like hundreds of other people trying to fly away from this statue, and she's, she's now outside with like a bow and arrow just shooting people out of the sky.

[00:17:25] Victor: and 

[00:17:26] Olivia: there were like several other dreams, like, I think I woke up from that dream, um, 

[00:17:31] Victor: and 

[00:17:32] Olivia: back to sleep. And at one point I was driving down like a dark gravel road and like, it was really narrow and I'm, I like, turn around a corner and the statue is just there in the, in the middle of the road and it feels so bad.

It just feels like dark, dark badness. Um, um, and then in another dream I was fishing and like, it was kind of a [00:18:00] nice, like happy dream. The sun was out and like I look back behind me and up the hill I see the statue just standing at the top of the hill, like watching. Um, And yeah, it was bad. And then at one point, um, I saw, so the last thing that I saw was I was at home with Victor and we were in like the, the garage.

And I saw the three sigils again. And like he was fucking with one of them. And, and like when he would move one, the other one would move. 


was like telling him not to fuck with that. I also noticed one of them was like, they were drawn over images and one of 'em was drawn over a fish, an image of a fish.

[00:18:46] Zach: Like the Christian ethos, fish

[00:18:50] Olivia: no, not quite, but um, yeah, so that was, um, that was my dream.

[00:18:57] Zach: that aesthetically, that sounds [00:19:00] really sick. Like a Neil Gaiman movie,

[00:19:01] Olivia: It was kind of cool, but um, yeah, it was, it was definitely like scary. Like, you know how like a thing that on its face would be scary, doesn't have scary vibes sometimes. And, and then

[00:19:12] Zach: sometimes 

[00:19:13] Olivia: and then something that sometimes is just innocuous has terrifying vibes. This was a thing that was like creepy. And it also just had like bad vibes.

[00:19:24] Zach: the statue.

[00:19:25] Olivia: Yes.

[00:19:27] Zach: What did it look like? You said Greek.

[00:19:29] Olivia: Kind of. Yeah. Like Greek, very tall, like menacing. Um, and it was like posed it had it like an, a hand up. and I don't recall it, like moving, like I, I think it only moved when I wasn't looking.

[00:19:44] Zach: I was gonna say when, not when you're looking at it.

[00:19:46] Victor: Anyone else seen Dr. Who?

I think that's a, that's a, that's a type of monster in Dr. Who is, I think they call them like angels or something. There's like these statues of angels that only move when you're not 

[00:19:59] Olivia: looking 

[00:20:00] at Whoa. 

[00:20:00] Victor: And they're like kind of, they're like terrifying monsters. They're like big bad monsters in Dr.

[00:20:06] Olivia: Who?

Dude that, okay. It was like an angel. There was like something. 

[00:20:10] Victor: Okay. 

[00:20:11] Olivia: was having a hard time like articulating this earlier because I couldn't remember its name, but it was like, this was a thing and it was like a deity. Um, and, and I feel like it's name was like charity or something, which is like

[00:20:26] Victor: love that 

[00:20:28] Zach: Like a stripper. 

[00:20:28] Olivia: that was kind of funny. Yeah. Like a stripper or like, I don't know. I thought it was funny that like, um, the idea of like charity, just like shooting people out of the sky.

[00:20:40] Zach: Yeah. You said you felt like it was an angel.

[00:20:43] Olivia: yes. 

I, I believe that it was like an angel or some kind of deity.

[00:20:48] Zach: Cause that's an interesting concept, like an angel not letting humans fly. Like

[00:20:53] Victor: Huh.

like what I love about this is that it's like, uh, I think we've talked about [00:21:00] these kinds of phenomenon a couple times, but.

Meta horror in your dream, where it's like Olivia has this meta ability in her dream to relish, she's dreaming and like go lucid enough to exit anything that's too scary for her in her dream.

And her brain has caught up with her where it's like it, her brain processed away to still fuck with her after she like triggers this thing that's supposed to take her out of 


[00:21:27] Zach: Yeah. I was gonna 

[00:21:27] Victor: it's like you're getting followed through 

[00:21:29] Olivia: dreams. Yeah.

[00:21:30] Zach: I was gonna ask if that when you, when you flew, if it was like other times as in you were, uh, lucid and deciding to G T

[00:21:39] Olivia: it wa that was the, yes. It was like, I'm gonna leave this, this seems bad. Um, but the, the thing was that once I started flying,

[00:21:50] Victor: I

[00:21:51] Olivia: knew that there was no escaping this thing there. I had this like, in, this is so spooky. I'm like remembering it as I'm talking about it. But like, I started [00:22:00] flying and like there were plenty of places to hide.

There was a whole forest. I could move very quickly and there were like 200 other people being shot out of the sky. But I felt targeted specifically, and like there was no way that I would ever escape. And so I stopped flying because it just felt futile. Have I


[00:22:21] Victor: like 

how my lucid dreaming ended on this podcast?

[00:22:25] Olivia: you 

have to tell 

[00:22:26] Victor: this.

I don't think I've talked about, I don't, I can't remember. 

Have you heard this, Zach? 

[00:22:30] Zach: I, I don't think.

[00:22:32] Victor: So when I was a kid, I, I would dream all the time, dream every night, dream all the time. Um, and I got really good at lucid dreaming.

And, uh, it wasn't even something that I like, it's not like I knew about Lucid dreaming and tried to do it. I just naturally was able to lucid dream, uh, and I could control my dreams really effectively. And, um, a big part of that for me, so like you, you [00:23:00] know, I'm kind of an anxious person, uh, like I shy away from, from social ang like social weirdness as best as I can.

And so what I would have to do, I would have to prove to myself that I knew it was a dream to be able to lucid dream. So what that would look like a lot of the time is I would just like stop and announce that I knew I was in a dream, which I would never do in real life. It was like, cuz that would be embarrassing, right?

And so if I like crossed this, this embarrassment threshold, then my dream would like, you know, succumb to my will or whatever and do whatever I wanted with it. Did it all the time. And then, this is very goofy sounding, but I, I was having a dream that was like a cross between a food fight and trench warfare 

[00:23:48] Zach: Oh, I do remember.

[00:23:50] Victor: Yeah, and like I'm going, it's like World War I like, there's trenches, but there's like, it's like kind of cartoony cuz I'm a kid or whatever.

There's stuff like flying around and then it kind of [00:24:00] like cut to, I was running and I was being chased by a mob. And at the head of the mob, and I know this is silly, uh, was Napoleon and I was being chased by Napoleon and a bunch of like angry people. I was being chased. And I, I got this awareness. I was like, okay, this is definitely a dream Napoleon's chasing me.

That's unlikely. So I stop 

and I do my thing and I'm like, this is a dream. And Napoleon laughs at me and keeps chasing 

[00:24:36] Olivia: me. 

[00:24:37] Victor: And I know that's super goofy, but I was terrified by that because my trick, my meta trick to control my dreams didn't work anymore. And I woke up and from that point forward, I stopped remembering my dreams.

Like I just like barely will retain dreams from that point on.[00:25:00] 


similar experience, right? Is like you have a technique, like a 

meta dream 

control technique, and something in your brain has rewired itself to be able to like, get around your trick.

[00:25:13] Olivia: I'm gonna be real fucked up if I keep seeing statue lady in my dreams. I did not like her.

[00:25:20] Zach: Or if it's like Napoleons you and you can't dream anymore, that'll ruin the podcast.

[00:25:26] Victor: Yeah. 

[00:25:26] Olivia: Sorry guys.

[00:25:27] Zach: You're gonna have to face the angel demon statue.

[00:25:31] Victor: Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:32] Olivia: so symbol wise, 

I, I would say the statue pregnancy.

[00:25:38] Victor: Hmm. 

[00:25:39] Zach: Oh yeah. Cause there was the lady who 

was, but wasn't the statue. 

[00:25:43] Olivia: Yeah. 

[00:25:43] Zach: What did the sigils look like? Like what do you mean when you say that

[00:25:47] Victor: They 

[00:25:47] Olivia: of looked like roons. 

[00:25:49] Victor: They 

[00:25:50] Olivia: pretty simple, but like,

This was like demonic, honestly. It was like a fallen angel situation. not that I really subscribed to that, but that's what it felt [00:26:00] like. It just felt like something that once was good

[00:26:05] Zach: in 

[00:26:05] Olivia: is no longer. Yeah. It, it, it was, yeah, it was dark.

And then, um, fish, because not only I was fishing in a dream, in one dream, but the last time I saw the Siegel, it was drawn over an image of a fish. 

[00:26:20] Zach: Yeah, that's why I asked if it was the Christian like fish, cuz that feels like, you know, this angel shooting people outta sky. It's like a perversion of a Christian thing, an angel. And then if the sigil was drawn over the, you know what I mean,


this was, there might be a theme of like spiritual perversion.

[00:26:41] Olivia: Totally. 

[00:26:42] Victor: And you were not raised 

[00:26:44] Olivia: religious? I was not, no. Yeah. the fishing part of the dream. It was like we went down to this lake spot and people were fishing and I was with my brother, I think, and Victor, I think you were [00:27:00] there.

Um, and we saw sea otters swimming out in the water, sea otters. So this was the ocean. Um, and uh, nobody was having any luck fishing, nobody around was, was pulling anything in. And then my brother cast a line and immediately pulled a fish in. And then I cast a line and I also immediately pulled a fish in and it was like, it was like a weird, it was very ugly fish.

It was like a flat, one of those flat bottom feeding fish, but it was like yellow and blue splotches and it had like a lazy eye.

[00:27:42] Zach: It's a,

[00:27:44] Olivia: And I had like turned to somebody, I was like, uh, should I throw this one back? And they were like, 

[00:27:51] Zach: it's, it's called a deep water derby.

[00:27:53] Olivia: it was, yes. Yeah, it, it did have a name. It was something like that, honestly, it was like a Gopi [00:28:00] or something. . And then, so I threw it back and, but, and like I remember when I was turning around to like, I was kind of just like admiring this area cuz it was really beautiful and like looking up the hill like that we had come down, it was just at the top of the hill through the trees.

I saw that statue standing there. And I like, I pointed, actually, I pointed it out to you and Jack, I think, um, or the people I was with and you guys didn't see it. And I was like, it's right there. It's right there. And you're like, where? And like I kind of, you know, the thing where like you kind of have to stand from a particular place to see a thing.

I like put you in that place and like was pointing like right over your shoulder so that you would look at it. And once I lined it up and like pointed and looked, it was actually it. Like I didn't see it anymore. There was like a woman standing there, um, who seemed not harmful or anything, just like a person [00:29:00] was there. 

[00:29:00] Victor: Hmm.

[00:29:01] Zach: Yeah. Phish has gotta be a rich symbol in the Dream Bible, right?

[00:29:05] Victor: Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot on fish. I, for some context in our waking life, we just went fishing for the first time in long time or was that your first time ever 

[00:29:14] Olivia: fishing?

I have, I had fished when I was a kid.

[00:29:17] Victor: Yeah. Same. 


[00:29:18] Olivia: I think we talked about 

[00:29:19] Zach: Yeah. With the, when the little boy talked your ear off.

[00:29:22] Victor: Uh, 

[00:29:22] Olivia: Yes.

[00:29:23] Victor: Yeah. So there's like, there's some recent fishing experiences that might be 

[00:29:29] Olivia: working there.

Well, yes. Also, we , we were the, the newbies there on the dock. There was this old, like older guy who was fishing and was like, he was there way before us at like four in the morning. 


like, and he's got like his whole setup. And, um, our friend who, who brought us there, like got us set up and we're sitting there like not knowing what we're doing.

And our friend who does know what he is doing is also fishing. And Victor and I are the [00:30:00] only people who caught fish for the, like the next three hours. I don't know if anyone caught any after we left, but like, nobody who knew what they were doing was catching fish. And we caught, we caught like five or six

[00:30:10] Zach: That must have been so frustrating for them.

[00:30:13] Olivia: Yeah. I, I think that that's how fishing works though. Yeah. 

[00:30:17] Zach: it's just like golfing. You take your buddy who's never been and he just hits under par all day.

[00:30:22] Victor: Mm-hmm.

Yeah. That's how it felt. That's like, we're never even gonna catch this many fish ever 

 So statues to dream of a statue represents something in yourself or in your life that you idealize or admire. You're putting yourself or another person or something in your life on a pedestal feelings about yourself being a perfect example for others to observe. Negatively dreaming about a statue may reflect vanity or narcissism about your physical appearance, feelings about one's achievements, being immortalized for others to observe feelings of emptiness, that you are [00:31:00] being observed with an unusual problem that can't be fixed, lying to others, that your life is a perfect example of functioning.

[00:31:08] Olivia: Hmm,

[00:31:09] Victor: Hmm,

[00:31:10] Olivia: hmm.

[00:31:10] Zach: Any of that resonate?

[00:31:11] Olivia: Um,

[00:31:12] Zach: The second to last one seem to fit the tone of the dream as far as, uh, hearing it goes.

[00:31:19] Olivia: observed with an unusual problem that can't be fixed.

[00:31:22] Zach: Yeah. Mostly the feeling observed part, it's like the statue's following

you and getting, getting 

[00:31:27] Olivia: the only thing. 

[00:31:28] Victor: And then to dream of being pregnant. To dream that you or someone else's pregnant represents something new that is developing in your life. A new way of thinking. New ideas, new goals, projects, or a new life situation. Preparations, choices or consequences are leading towards a new life situation, a period of gestation of ideas or plans, a development phase that is sensitive, carrying within you new life that may be in the form of a book project or new [00:32:00] lifestyle.

A time of transition. Feelings about a new self that is about to emerge, contemplating making a big change. Um, and then there's a pregnancy in a dream also reflects some area of your life where more of something is being increased or produced. Artists often dream of being pregnant when they're starting a new work of 


Negatively being pregnant may reflect a new problem that is developing, or a problem that is creating more problems.

[00:32:28] Olivia: Watching the 

[00:32:28] Victor: the gestation of an event in your life that makes you jealous or scared, feeling that a change in your life was not by choice and can't be denied. 

[00:32:38] Zach: Last dream we did of yours had to do with concerns over kids. Do you think this is par, uh, parallel?

[00:32:44] Olivia: maybe. 

[00:32:46] Victor: I, how you've described it, what you were telling me this morning and then how you described it just now did not seem like it resonated with like a pregnancy 

[00:32:54] Olivia: anxiety, Yeah, I don't think so. No. And, and also because it was, [00:33:00] it was this angel thing that was pregnant, this statue that was pregnant.

A a and it was in her like human form that she was pregnant and then it was that she didn't give birth. She like, her pregnant belly was like peeled off and there was, it was gory. And when I went outside there was like, it was like a fucking cow exploded. There was like blood and guts all over the trees and the grass and all over everything. 

[00:33:30] Zach: I feel like you glossed over that the first time you 

[00:33:32] Victor: So instead of, so I pulled up miscarriage and stillborn cuz those might be where

we maybe make some connections. So to dream of a miscarriage represents a sudden loss or end to a situation after experiencing high hopes or enthusiasm. An abrupt ending immediately after believing that something you wanted was starting last minute fights, arguments or cancellations after telling other people about a plane you had.

[00:34:00] Alternatively a dream of a miscarriage represents an idea or plan that do not go as expected. Setbacks, delays or disappointments have ruined your plans. A miscarriage may also reflect situations where you feel wronged or screwed over. It may also point to a failed relationship or opportunity

[00:34:18] Olivia: I just feels weird because it wasn't me 

[00:34:24] Victor: and there's a 

[00:34:25] Olivia: a lot of ti.

I will have a lot of dreams where I'm observing something in a different dream character and it does feel like it's me or part of me. But this, Hmm, I've talked about this before. This is very creepy. There are certain very specific times where there is somebody in a dream that feels like detached from me.

[00:34:46] Zach: It's a creature that lives in the dream world

[00:34:49] Olivia: Yeah, that 

[00:34:50] Victor: I love that shit.

[00:34:51] Olivia: fucking hate 

[00:34:52] Victor: that. 

I'm such a 



[00:34:53] Olivia: happens to me 

[00:34:54] Zach: That's 

[00:34:55] Olivia: It's usually alien cats, 

[00:34:56] Zach: it.

feels like a Neil game in movies, 

[00:34:59] Victor: We should start [00:35:00] watching The Sandman.

[00:35:01] Zach: yeah, I fucking love that.


[00:35:04] Victor: you started watching The Sandman?

[00:35:05] Zach: no, I'm excited too. I love the graphic novel.

[00:35:08] Victor: I loved the comics in high school. I like got the, the like fat books, like the fat leather bound books and fucking, I devoured


[00:35:17] Zach: I'm, I'm not even in like a comic guy, but I got super in the sand man.

[00:35:21] Victor: I was 

very formative for me reading those comics as a teenager, it's so, so good. I also love, like on Twitter or whatever, there's like, there's a bunch of people that are like, ah, this is, this is Woke PC nonsense. There's characters of color and there's like gay and trans characters in this suddenly that weren't there from the beg, like 


way that it was written in the early nineties.

All of that was still in there. I, 

[00:35:49] Zach: Yeah. And here we are again in our leftist politics. Alienating,

[00:35:55] Victor: Well, it's just funny. It's one thing to be like, oh, they, they. Cast [00:36:00] a character that like, uh, wasn't gay in the original and like they made that character gay in 



[00:36:06] Zach: fulfill a quota


[00:36:07] Victor: That's like, that's a separate conversation from these people are mad that a character that was gay in the comics is, or non non-binary in the comics is non-binary.

In the TV show, it's like, what are you doing? 


[00:36:24] Zach: oh. No, I was just teasing you. Oh, yeah, I remember what I was gonna say. That's, yeah, that is a very creepy idea that the, this angel statue is something that like any of us could run into.

[00:36:34] Olivia: And, yeah. I don't, I don't like how focused on me. It was it, and like I felt very targeted by it.

[00:36:42] Zach: yeah, I guess that's the other part of that dream Bible entry that might, maybe works is, I mean, what did is say like an unrelenting problem or a problem that doesn't go away. I mean, I, I don't know if you can relate that to something that's going on with you right now, but that, I mean, it definitely seemed like a pretty good symbol of that, the way it wouldn't leave you alone.[00:37:00] 

[00:37:00] Victor: To dream of a baby. Being stillborn represents last minute disruptions or failures. Feeling close to achieving something and losing it at the very end. Experiencing a loss at a final, pivotal moment, a sudden or unexpected end to something.

Alternatively, a stillborn baby may reflect a sudden or last minute loss of trust in someone.

[00:37:21] Olivia: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. There just wasn't, there wasn't a stillborn, it was like they peeled off the stomach and there was never a baby in there.

[00:37:30] Victor: Yeah, like I, I can see a connection between some of these descriptions and some stuff we've been talking about.

About waking life 

[00:37:39] Olivia: stuff. Yeah. 

[00:37:40] Victor: Um, just like, uh, like wedding anxiety kind of stuff, or like

[00:37:45] Olivia: Yeah, 

I have, I do guess I do see a little bit of that,

[00:37:48] Victor: but

that's not necessarily 

[00:37:50] Zach: last minute stressors.

[00:37:52] Victor: right, like last minute. It's mostly like stuff that's like coming in at the last minute and it's 


oh, is this gonna, 

[00:37:58] Zach: I hear that's pretty typical of planning a [00:38:00] wedding.

[00:38:01] Victor: Yeah. 

Um, but that does feel like maybe a stretch for this dream. Like, I don't know that that's what this dream is about.

That's just what I'm seeing in some of these Dream Bible entries.

[00:38:11] Olivia: it doesn't really feel true. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing is like I can, I can tie that in, but it doesn't feel quite right.

[00:38:21] Victor: Yeah. If your gut's telling you that's not what, because when it, when it is right, you 

[00:38:25] Olivia: it. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:38:27] Zach: Could it be as simple, cuz this does feel like a genre of horror movie. Could it be as simple as like, you watched something recently that, uh, struck a, like primal fear chord

[00:38:38] Olivia: I don't think so. 

[00:38:40] Victor: Or 

sometime, sorry. Go.

[00:38:42] Zach: oh, when you got back to the, it ends with you coming back to a garage. Right. Where Victor is fucking with the ruins or the siles.

is that 

is that 

[00:38:49] Olivia: Yes. 

[00:38:51] Zach: Did you feel like the siles were like protective and that him fucking with it would.

[00:38:55] Olivia: I felt like him fucking with it was going to notify it of my [00:39:00] location.

[00:39:00] Victor: like it was connected to the ruins and like maybe drawing from them, like drawing

power from 



[00:39:06] Olivia: something. 

felt like it would know where I was. If you touched them,

[00:39:09] Zach: could this have to do with your Ouija board experience?

[00:39:12] Victor: Huh. 

It's been a while since we've messed with the 

[00:39:15] Olivia: the Ouija 


Mm-hmm. , 

you mean like something's following us? Something's attached to 

[00:39:20] Zach: or that you're subconsciously like nervous about that.

[00:39:24] Olivia: Well, I haven't thought about it. Like, well, I guess we've talked about it a little bit

[00:39:28] Victor: You were just saying you wanted to sage the house 

cuz you were feeling creeped out in the 



[00:39:33] Olivia: Actually,

I was just saying that I felt, I felt like there was a weird energy in our house.


[00:39:38] Victor: maybe this is like some demonic energy from across the veil that's like creeping into 

your dreams.

[00:39:45] Olivia: I just wanna, um, also put this out here for our listeners. I'm not like a woowoo sagey kind of person. Like I have just quite simply found that, um, when there's a weird, [00:40:00] spooky thing happening that does seem to help a little bit.

[00:40:02] Victor: 

Oh yeah. No, absolutely. And it, with so much of this stuff, I, I always try and like leave room for, well maybe it's just psychological, you know, it's like a placebo.

Like you're doing a thing that makes you feel better and because you feel better, it's better, right? Um, but whatever it is, it works. 

[00:40:22] Olivia: So.

[00:40:23] Zach: When my van got stolen and then recovered, I felt driving it around after it was recovered felt like I had this intense feeling of like violation. 

Cause it was like my van, it was like my little mobile home. The van belonged to my grandma. Like it meant a lot to me. And to have somebody just like take it, it was this like intensely like gross feeling and I saged it and I was like at the very, at the very least, like, I don't know about negative energy, positive.

It's worth a shot if, if there is such thing as an energy that I can clear. But at the very least, it smells nice and it's like a, a natural air freshener for the van that [00:41:00] has had strangers in it now, 

you know, sweating farting.

[00:41:05] Victor: I think like something that doesn't get talked about a lot is like the psychological damage of like, being robbed or 

[00:41:12] Olivia: having 


[00:41:13] Victor: broken into, like, that's really like disturbing on an emotional level. Like people focus on like material loss, but like it can really 


[00:41:21] Olivia: you. That really fucked with you too, right?

[00:41:23] Victor: Yeah. Well, so when I was a kid, we lived in these really bad apartments and like every, like multiple times, like e every year our place would get broken into around holiday and like I kept getting like, like got an Easter basket stolen.

One year I got like a, like a, my Nintendo 64 got stolen. Presents would get stolen. It was always like our, like holidays would get ruined by break-ins. That happened several times when I was a kid.

[00:41:51] Zach: yeah. And that is super fucked up. Cause like the thing that keeps me from like robbing, like you for example, it's not the law or it's not [00:42:00] simply the law. It's like it's also uh, you know, respect morals, 

val values. It's like social contract. It's like all this, my conscience. It's like all this stuff that they have just decided to violate, you know?

And it.

[00:42:14] Victor: my grandmother is 80 now, um, and I've been out of seven, 

eight years, and like tail end of college, her shop, she's got like a shop building out in front of the house. It's like a separate little building, uh, and got broken into and it like shook her psychology. Like to this day she was like, she was really affected by that.

She like got the security system. She got a gun. Like, she's like s sh it like affected her on a deep level and still does like this, this anxiety about someone like violating her home like that. Right. And it's like the stuff didn't really matter, you know, [00:43:00] co couple hundred dollars, maybe a thousand dollars worth of stuff.


but years of psychological damage, you know? 

[00:43:06] Olivia: Yeah. 

[00:43:07] Zach: you recover financially, but like Yeah. The, the, the, it's viscerally real when 

you, when somebody like just breaks


code like that. 

[00:43:17] Olivia: She, brings 

that up often. Like she's still wor she's worried about those same people who broke into that shop. She like, is concerned that those people are still like, maybe out to get her or like that they're gonna come back or that they've,

[00:43:31] Zach: Well, when my 

[00:43:32] Olivia: they trimmed her bush without her permission.

Oh, I was, this is a weird situation.

[00:43:38] Victor: lemme tell you the weirdest fucking thing I've ever 


Um, Super weird.


so we, we go over to my grandmother's place like a couple of weeks ago, and she's like, someone attacked my bush. And I was like, oh, well, okay. That sounds a little weird.


[00:43:50] Olivia: she 

[00:43:50] Victor: walks me over to this. So she lives on, she, she has like lakefront property, like there, there's a lake in the back, there's a dock. Uh, so you, [00:44:00] she has a back porch and you walk towards the water and to one side of the property. There's like hedges, right? There's a bush there. And that bush would like, kind of grow up and over and into the water, and it's like fully out of view of everybody, right?

It's like, it's not towards the front of the house. It's like off in the corner towards the water. The only people this, this bush could possibly disturb are her immediate next door neighbors who she's like on very good 

terms with. Mm-hmm. . 

And like, they talk all the time. Like they look out for her.

They're, they're nice to her. Like they have a good relationship. These people would talk to her if there was a problem. So this bush grow up and over into the water, off towards the neighbor's yard. 


uh, in the middle of the night. Came out and like, like killed 

this bu like tried to like the 


chop off as 

much of this bush as 


[00:44:54] Olivia: They trimmed it down to like, uh, nothing. They trimmed all of its branches.

[00:44:58] Victor: Yeah. So she [00:45:00] saw this and she was like, oh wow. Some, someone like was fucking with this bush did, did damage to this bush. And then the next day came out and it was even more cut up. Someone came back two times. Two times

[00:45:14] Zach: in an organized fashion, like they were sharing it,

[00:45:17] Olivia: they were, they were attacking.

They targeted this specific 


[00:45:22] Victor: It was one

bush and it was 

[00:45:24] Zach: a human with a tool.

[00:45:25] Olivia: yes. It was like clean cut, like you would need, she like shears or garden shears or whatever.

[00:45:31] Victor: Yeah. It was like someone took shears and was just clipping off branches of this bush like deep into the bush, like trying to 


[00:45:38] Olivia: the 

bush. See? And I'm over here like just stumped Googling someone trimmed my bush , like somebody pruned my bush without permission.

Like is this a thing? Cuz the only people that would be able to see it are literally in a boat on the lake. Right. And they would have to be on the lake [00:46:00] and coming in close to shore, see that bush and think I wanna kill that bush.

[00:46:06] Zach: well, if I'm gonna Sherlock this one, I used to have a neighbor that would, um, on like cocaine binges, would like obsessively trim his hedges in the middle of the night. 

[00:46:17] Victor: Huh, 

[00:46:17] Zach: And the types of people who, uh, you know, might be partying on a. In the middle of the night might 


[00:46:25] Olivia: But they saw that bush and they were like, that

[00:46:28] Zach: they might have done.

Others they 

[00:46:29] Olivia: fun to prune

[00:46:31] Zach: Yeah.

[00:46:33] Victor: What? That sounds like the worst party to just like pointed a bush from the lake and be like, Hey guys, you wanna go destroy that bush? And it was twice they came back to hit it again. They came back to, to do more damage to that 

[00:46:51] Zach: you'd be surprised how much fun it is swinging a machete around when you're on

[00:46:54] Olivia: Sure. Well, I'm also like, okay, is this an expensive bush? Is [00:47:00] somebody getting cuttings?

Is this a super rare bush some landscaping enthusiast spotted from the lake and was like, I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna take cuttings.

[00:47:09] Zach: Yeah. 


[00:47:10] Olivia: I'm gonna sell these bushes. Mm

[00:47:12] Zach: or, um, that plant from Breaking Bad that you can use to.

[00:47:16] Olivia: mm mm-hmm.

[00:47:17] Victor: Maybe that's what it is. You have to look up this bush. Yeah. See what, see what kind of drugs you can make from this 


So our best guess is she, like the neighbor built this little apartment and started renting it out, was like an Airbnb. Um, and someone that was staying there may have had it out for this bush, but why would somebody that's only gonna be around for like a couple of days be like, that bush is in my way.

and like ma of bush. 

[00:47:48] Zach: Drugs, Drugs, man.

[00:47:49] Victor: drugs. 


[00:47:52] Zach: Uh, by the way, I was trying so hard not to keep laughing at attack my bush.

That it came out as like one single tear. I [00:48:00] don't know if you saw that. It's like, roll, rolling down my face. So did Olivia looked like you were, um, looking over Victor's shoulder at the dream Bible. Were you trying to land the plane on this angel dream?

[00:48:11] Olivia: yeah.

[00:48:11] Victor: Were we talking about dreams? This is a dream 

[00:48:13] Olivia: Is this a dream podcast? Are we dreaming right now? um, 

looked up angels, demons and following.

[00:48:21] Victor: Hmm.

[00:48:23] Olivia: See, here's the thing. There is an the, in the entry for angels, there's no negative, 


makes me feel like that's not gonna give us

[00:48:32] Zach: What about demonn?

[00:48:35] Victor: Yeah. I think demon's more 

accurate here. 

[00:48:37] Zach: Even though it didn't look like, you know, you're stereotypical like clo hooded.

[00:48:42] Olivia: It felt demonic. 

I, and I 

[00:48:44] Zach: well then that's, yeah,



[00:48:46] Olivia: I also maybe felt like it was maybe like a witch or something. Like, I remember looking at the siles and thinking that that was some witchcraft thing.

[00:48:54] Zach: Yeah, when I asked you if maybe this was influenced by movie, I was thinking of the witch.

[00:48:58] Olivia: Which witch is witch.

[00:48:59] Victor: [00:49:00] They use the word bitch a lot in this witch entry

[00:49:03] Olivia: Really?

[00:49:04] Victor: Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna start with the witch entry. Um,

[00:49:08] Olivia: Oh. Oh no. Okay.

[00:49:12] Victor: to dream of a witch represents feelings about others, enjoying and intentionally making efforts to keep you unhappy. Feeling that someone is an expert at keeping you unhappy, failing or turning people against you. Feeling cursed by bad luck or the victim of manipulation. Feelings about someone else's manipulative interference as being evil.

A person in your life that you feel is obsessed with. Making sure you never like yourself feelings about a woman in your life being an evil bitch.

[00:49:44] Olivia: is it just cuz it rhymes

[00:49:46] Victor: Yeah, I think so. Um,


[00:49:48] Zach: in quotes?

[00:49:49] Victor: They 


They did 

[00:49:50] Olivia: did 

[00:49:51] Zach: Sounds like they're maybe quoting somebody from the surveys that they took.

[00:49:54] Victor: Yeah. They're like every, every dream interpretation they got for which they were like, they just [00:50:00] keep calling these 

[00:50:01] Olivia: bitches. 

[00:50:01] Victor: Like, I don't know. Write it down. I guess I 


[00:50:05] Olivia: uh, 

[00:50:05] Victor: to dream about being a witch may reflect your own attempts to intentionally try to manipulate others. Trying to turn others against each other. Working hard to make someone you don't like. Fail awareness of yourself being arrogant, deceptive or manipulative to sabotage someone.

Jealousy, interfering with someone else's happiness. Awareness of yourself being a terrible bitch.

[00:50:29] Olivia: Well, I wasn't, 

I wasn't the terrible bitch in the, in the dream, but you know, I am so

[00:50:34] Victor: feelings about a dangerous, selfish, or heartless woman. Frustrations with your mother or your mother-in-law, a cranky woman in your life.

children may dream of witches to reflect fear of the mother being angry or punishing them. And then there's something about a male witch or warlock, but that doesn't feel 



[00:50:54] Olivia: Very feminine, 

[00:50:56] Victor: Uh, girl boss vibes 

from this entity.[00:51:00] 

[00:51:00] Olivia: She was, she was badass, but like, fucking scary.

[00:51:04] Victor: Yeah. Picturing her with like a bow and arrow.

This like nine foot tall stone woman shooting, like flying people 

out of the sky with a bow 


[00:51:12] Olivia: era. It was fucking badass. Yeah, 

It was 

[00:51:14] Victor: was metal. 

[00:51:15] Olivia: Uh,

and I, I'm like flying away and I just think, nope, there's no 

[00:51:20] Victor: no escape.

[00:51:22] Olivia: I land . There was also, oh, I'm remembering now when I landed from that flying episode, um, it was like I landed at a fucked up birthday party that was happening in like, in front of the building where like all of the blood and guts were, and there was like, oh God. Oh fuck. Okay, this is almost too much to get into.

It was 

fucking weird, 

[00:51:47] Victor: we don't, we we're doing a one dream

[00:51:50] Olivia: Okay. 

So I land at this like birthday party and, 

[00:51:54] Victor: there's

[00:51:55] Olivia: like cake and stuff, and then there's like this whole [00:52:00] thing where like they're, I'm seeing somebody talking to the statue, but they, they're trying to like trick it. They had like a face over their face.

Like it was really creepy. They had

[00:52:16] Victor: people do

[00:52:17] Olivia: it the per, there was a person trying to talk to the statue, but they wouldn't look at it. And so they had like a face,

a mask.

kind? Yeah. Yeah. I guess it was like a mask of, a face of, it was like a mask of her own face.

[00:52:31] Zach: the joker in that one comic.

[00:52:34] Victor: wait, okay, let's, let's deconstruct this a little bit. So the mask was of the witches

[00:52:41] Olivia: face? No, 

it was like, it was a woman, a blonde woman talking to the witch.

[00:52:47] Victor: Okay.

[00:52:48] Olivia: Or talking to the statue. And she was sitting in a chair and she had a mask of her own face over her face.

And I think I [00:53:00] like at this, for some reason in this moment, the statue was just a bust. And I was like positioning the statue. To like face this woman.

[00:53:12] Victor: Whoa.

[00:53:13] Olivia: And, um, I remember like bringing it too close and I was like, oh, I should back off because if you get this close, you can really see that that's a mask and not her actual face.

[00:53:23] Victor: Huh.

[00:53:24] Olivia: And there was some like birthday party, like there was cake, there was really pretty cake. There was a cake that was like in the shape of a bunny. And, um, there was, there were like multiple cakes and I, I think I tasted the cake and, um, I remember thinking it's dry, just the way I like it.

[00:53:47] Zach: So it sounds like you be, maybe because you did, you knew you couldn't just fly away. You were trying to deceive the statue by.

[00:53:56] Olivia: yeah.

[00:53:57] Zach: Positioning it towards like a, a dummy or somebody playing the, it [00:54:00] sounds like somebody was playing the part of you by wearing a blonde woman mask.

[00:54:04] Olivia: Yeah. Maybe. 

Yeah. That kind of feels right. Uh, there was also some, like, there was a very taunting vibe to the whole thing.

[00:54:14] Victor: like you were taunting the bust.

[00:54:16] Olivia: like tricking it, trying to trick it. But there was like, um, there was some sassiness going on. I don't remember what the conversation was, but like the, the person in the mask was like confronting

[00:54:30] Zach: It wouldn't be the first time that cake in your dreams was like a,

[00:54:35] Olivia: Yeah. Cake, baked goods are no good in my dream.

[00:54:38] Zach: Well, they're, they're sassy, right? They're like, rap. This is,

[00:54:41] Victor: yeah.

[00:54:42] Olivia: They're fuck yous.

[00:54:44] Victor: Yeah. Cake is

kind of a 

[00:54:46] Olivia: a fuck 

you in my dream. .Yeah.

[00:54:50] Victor: Um,

[00:54:51] Olivia: that's so funny.

[00:54:52] Victor: What kind of connection did you feel to the woman wearing the mask? 

did you feel like, uh, 


aspect of

[00:54:59] Olivia: you? Yeah. [00:55:00] Uhhuh. . 

[00:55:00] Victor: It sounds like, so I agree with Zach that it sounds like you did your trick, your, your, um, your meta trick, your, your, um, 

uh, yeah. You're flying away and it didn't work. And then this landing and this, um, this like kind of, 


new path your dream took was like you trying to work out a new 

[00:55:23] Olivia: way 

[00:55:23] Victor: Yeah.





[00:55:25] Olivia: that felt, feels 

[00:55:26] Zach: There's another layer to that too with the birthday cake, cuz it feels like the demonn or witch or whatever tried to deceive you with a fake pregnancy. And so you're trying to like call the bluff and you're throwing a fake birthday party with deliciously dry. Fuck you cake.

[00:55:45] Olivia: I'm also remembering the, the thing I noticed the most about the mask was that the eyes were big and very, very blue, which I have green eyes, but I remember noticing that.


[00:56:00] Victor: hmm. I just keep humming into 


microphone. because it is

an intriguing 

dream. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

[00:56:11] Olivia: This is an As s m R podcast.

[00:56:14] Victor: Yeah.

[00:56:16] Olivia: The little vocal vocal fry

[00:56:17] Victor: I have so many Dream Bible tabs open now. Um, where should we, okay, so I've got, 



[00:56:24] Olivia: guys. See, this is what I mean. I just get these like epic, like sagas. I don't know what to do with them.

[00:56:32] Zach: letting you go on and on so that I'm off the hook for my dream that I don't wanna talk about.

[00:56:36] Olivia: We, Aaron, talk 

[00:56:37] Victor: that buried. Yeah. 

okay. Eyes birthday, birthday 


uh, rabbits, mask, bow and arrow following demons. And 

then angels, we, we, weren't feeling It does, yeah. 




[00:57:00] cake. 


[00:57:02] Zach: Demons following.

[00:57:04] Olivia: bow and a.


all right.

[00:57:08] Victor: So, to dream of eyes in a dream, repre, to dream of eyes in a dream a as opposed to to dream of an eye somewhere else, uh, represents observation, judgments, and consciousness, the way you or some aspect of your personality sees a situation.

So that leans into this metaconcept we're talking about of like, you tried your, you, you tried your, um, ah, gosh, what? Lucid dreaming. You tried the lucid dream, it failed. And then you landed in this like, kind of like you're in your own subconscious trying to work through this, this 


[00:57:42] Olivia: Mm-hmm. 

[00:57:43] Victor: . Blue eyes symbolize positivity. A positive outlook on a situation or good intentions. A reflection of positive thinking patterns or good choices. You, or some aspect of your personality is confident, sympathetic, constructive, or honest [00:58:00] thinking patterns or areas of your life that are helpful. 

[00:58:03] Olivia: yeah, that feels right. Like while the mask was kind of creepy, it was, it did feel like a force for good and it did feel like it was going, it was using the mask against,

[00:58:15] Zach: Right. And it was a decoy, right? Cuz you didn't want to get the bus too close. Let the figure out what you're doing.

[00:58:21] Olivia: And 

it also felt like, um, this is interesting. It felt like the person under the mask needed to wear the mask to, like, the mask was what would keep them safe from the statue.

Like if her actual face was shown or if she actually looked at the statue, it would be dangerous.

[00:58:42] Zach: so have, have you been, are you able to like, bring this to the real world yet? Like, is, is there somebody currently who's like, aggressively coming at you and, and, uh, trying to, and you're trying to like, redirect their energy? You know what I mean? Like you're trying to manipulate a manipulator to like [00:59:00] quell a situation without blowing it up. is that super specific thing happening right now in your life?

[00:59:07] Olivia: I mean, 

[00:59:07] Victor: yes. Next 


[00:59:11] Olivia: um,

[00:59:12] Zach: reminded me of that. I think you should leave sketch. This has ever happened to you,

[00:59:16] Olivia: So now you got a tiny hole in your toilet. That's just for farts. 

[00:59:22] Zach: Oh. 

[00:59:24] Victor: But the, the, so that blue eyes positivity thing, it's 


You being scared of something and then you're trying to put your best foot forward or like confront this thing with like your strongest self, but 

[00:59:38] Olivia: it's like, 

[00:59:40] Victor: Um, it's a mask. It's like a shadow of a shadow of you and like you're over there like behind the thing, trying like the real you is like outta sight while you've got like layers of like protective performance.

But, uh, like that you're trying to distract this thing with to, to like meet it where it is, you know, to [01:00:00] like scare it off. You're doing the thing where like a bear comes outta the woods and you put your arms up and you go, ah. It feels like you're trying to, you're trying to scare the thing back or like, intimidate this beast that's like wandered into your campsite.

[01:00:13] Zach: Yeah. Or at least re redirect. Its, uh, war path, right?

[01:00:17] Victor: Yeah. so did this feel negative in this space?

[01:00:20] Olivia: It felt kind of like the Mad Hatter party. . It felt like chaotic and like, A little twisted, but like not dark. Exactly.

[01:00:34] Victor: to dream of. A birthday represents a special occasion That feels lucky or all about you feeling that others need to respect you as the most special or lucky for a special occasion, an occasion all to yourself or someone that you feel is deserving of special treatment. Special treatment that feels like you need to give it to others or that it needs to be given to you.

A time where you, or some aspect of yourself is experiencing the [01:01:00] realization of wishes or desires, feeling special or 


A time where you feel lucky you're successful. Plans or preparations you're making to treat someone else special.

Feeling about

yourself or your existence being celebrated to dream of someone else.

Having a birthday represents some aspect of your personality. Feeling lucky or getting what it wants. Did it feel like your birthday?

[01:01:22] Olivia: Um, no. I

don't know. 

[01:01:23] Victor: Okay. 

And then negatively dreaming about a birthday may reflect jealousy of other people enjoying special treatment or being liked by a lot of people.

Easily feelings about a rare, unpleasant occasion for others that is very lucky to you. Such as the death of a rich relative that brings you an inheritance,


need for special treatment all the time. Non-objective views about special treatment lasting forever.

[01:01:52] Olivia: Okay.

[01:01:53] Zach: Yeah. Did you have a sense of whose birthday it was? Because I just assumed it was no one's birthday and that the [01:02:00] whole thing was a ploy.

[01:02:01] Olivia: It, 

that's what it felt more like. It didn't f it felt like it was a 


[01:02:06] Victor: Yeah, it was like it was for the statue.

[01:02:09] Olivia: Yeah. It was the statues party.

[01:02:12] Victor: But it still represents 

something. Yeah. Right. Um, okay, so then to dream of birthday cake represents a special occasion that makes you feel lucky or special, a special occasion that is shared with others.

Something good has happened that is just for you. You may be getting exactly what you wanted or wish may have been realized, uh, then, okay, so 

[01:02:32] Olivia: just, okay, wait, wait. That seems there was blood and guts all over the place

[01:02:38] Victor: at the birthday 



It was a bloody 


[01:02:41] Olivia: party. Well,

it was right in front of the place where the f like where the, the pregnancy 

exploded and so there was blood and guts on 


[01:02:48] Zach: you did, you did. You did say that it was took place on the same locale, but for some reason, I, I had imagined it was cleaned up by now,

[01:02:56] Olivia: Not 


[01:02:57] Victor: I thought 

[01:02:57] Zach: but it wasn't dark

[01:02:59] Victor: [01:03:00] I, I thought that was inside 


[01:03:02] Olivia: but it was so forceful that it was like blown out. Like so when I ran down the stairs and outside, there was like guts in the trees and on the ground everywhere.

[01:03:11] Victor: Oh wow. Okay. 

So that is 

[01:03:13] Olivia: a cow exploded 

[01:03:15] Zach: you're like, oh, the birthday party is quirky, like Alison Wonderland,

[01:03:18] Olivia: but yeah, it was 


[01:03:19] Zach: trails hanging from a.

[01:03:21] Olivia: Yeah. So that was, there wasn't necessarily blood on the cake, but there was See I'm just saying that's interesting cuz there's one of these hyper specific dream bible entries. Yes. 

[01:03:32] Victor: So

if you see a birthday cake with blood on 

[01:03:36] Olivia: it, 

[01:03:37] Victor: That may reflect a negative situation that overshadows your good luck or special occasion.

It may also represent guilt you have with something negative you did to achieve your good fortune. Something bad has happened to overshadow or ruin, socializing about a special occasion, 

[01:03:55] Olivia: of 

[01:03:55] Victor: of some kind, ruining a special occasion.

[01:03:59] Zach: Like we're [01:04:00] getting somewhere.

[01:04:04] Victor: All right. Stop the recording. Turn the 


off. We're done. We're done here.


[01:04:11] Victor: Whenever we have to stop recording and come back with, with a disclaimer. I grab a beer.

[01:04:24] Olivia: so,

so we're back with beer. And, uh, this little, uh, blip in the recording that you hear, that's because we touched on a thing, uh, that is maybe a little too sensitive to put out in the world 

 so we're going to talk around the thing that we did hit on with the birthday party. and I think that that is one thing that this dream is about, but maybe not the whole thing.

Does that feel right?

[01:04:51] Victor: It 

[01:04:51] Zach: So the birthday party, the, the cake and the mask and the the statue, are those all tied together, would you [01:05:00] say?

[01:05:00] Olivia: That whole situation is about one particular, concern that I have, uh, going on in my life right now. Um, but it doesn't feel like the whole dream to me.

[01:05:12] Zach: But it is a through line, like it keeps following you to other dreams.

[01:05:16] Olivia: I don't think that the statue is this that is about this thing. I think the statue is a part of that thing. The statue is. a

deeper thing.

[01:05:28] Victor: That's kind of what I'm thinking is like maybe the bloody birthday party is one place in which whatever the statue represents is present.

[01:05:38] Zach: Or as we've established the statue as a real entity that anybody can run into in the dream world,

[01:05:43] Olivia: and that's 


[01:05:44] Victor: I'm open to that, 

honestly. Like that sounds 

[01:05:47] Olivia: it to not be, but um, 

[01:05:50] Victor: all Dr. Who villains 

exist in the dream sphere and can come for you at any time. Just them though. [01:06:00] Just specifically canan. Dr. Who? Villains.

[01:06:03] Olivia: what are they called?

[01:06:04] Zach: That was

actually a, that was actually a nonfiction show.

[01:06:07] Olivia: May,

[01:06:07] Victor: maybe Weeping Angels or something like that. Dr. Who?

Angels? Yeah. Is it like spot on 

[01:06:12] Olivia: experience? Oh my 

[01:06:14] Victor: God, we'll watch some Dr. Who? Cuz like that's one of, that's, there's a couple of genuinely scary things in Dr. Who, when that's one of them.

[01:06:22] Olivia: Uh,

[01:06:23] Zach: Did it look, is it, does it look like it?

[01:06:26] Olivia: yeah. At,

[01:06:27] Zach: Now? I have to go. What

[01:06:29] Olivia: um, there, I don't remember there being wings necessarily, but there honestly might have

been. And the, the vibe is.

[01:06:39] Zach:

[01:06:39] Victor: So the whole premise is their statues, but they're like terrifying monsters. That's it. But they can only move when you're not looking at them.

They can move fast 

and creepily and we'll try and kill you when you're not looking at them.

But if you look at them, they freeze like statues.

[01:06:53] Olivia: Uh, Zach, I'm gonna send you a picture that feels like spot on and then, um, listeners, I'm gonna [01:07:00] maybe put this on the Instagram when this episode comes out because Woo spooky.

[01:07:06] Victor: And you've never really watched Dr. 


[01:07:08] Olivia: have you. No.

[01:07:08] Victor: Yeah. So this isn't like a thing that's in the back of your brain and you had a dream about Dr. It's like, um, yeah.

[01:07:15] Zach: Yeah, that, that's kind of what I pictured when you said Greek statue.

[01:07:18] Olivia: Yeah, that's, um, absolutely spot

[01:07:21] Zach: genuinely 

[01:07:22] Olivia: To dream of being followed by a creepy stranger may reflect feelings of anxiety or suspicion about negativity from your past resurfacing. It may also reflect feelings of anxiety about a mysterious situation or problem not going away.

[01:07:38] Zach: Yes. We figured out one thing that could be, that we're not talking about, but

[01:07:42] Olivia: I mean, 

 Okay, what that brings up for me is, like we all have our shit, right? We've all got like our patterns 


[01:07:54] Zach: I'm perfect.

[01:07:55] Olivia: there are patterns to your problems. There are rhythms to your

[01:07:58] Victor: Hey, hey, hey, 

hey, [01:08:00] Trademark

[01:08:01] Olivia: Those are

[01:08:02] Victor: all,

[01:08:02] Olivia: Anyway, yeah. 

Listen to Victor's music . but uh, yeah, so . Like, negativity from your past resurfacing, feelings of anxiety about a mysterious situation or problem not going away. Like it kind of just feels like it's alluding to a thing that has, , interfered with my relationships in the past. Like a thing in me that I need to work on, um that has caused, issues in my friendships and or relationships.

[01:08:29] Victor: so not, not to get too personal, but we had a conversation about this 

yesterday. We had a whole conversation about like, how there was maybe through 

[01:08:38] Olivia: lines


[01:08:39] Zach: In Olivia in 

[01:08:40] Victor: were getting into 

[01:08:40] Olivia: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

And to tie it in. So like in . Certain relationships I have been like conflict avoidant. It's interesting cuz like in our relationship we like, we are so communicative that there's no conflict to avoid.

Like we're any conflict that [01:09:00] could eventually come up for us 

is like 

[01:09:04] Zach: communicative is sort of the anm of avoidant.

[01:09:07] Victor: Right. Right. Yeah.

[01:09:09] Olivia: That's a good way to think about that. And I think like that has like, I mean that's why we're getting married. Like, uh, we just, we communicate really well.


And, um,, I feel like we nip anything in the bud before it ever has a chance to like, turn into a problem 

That is not necessarily always the case in other relationships with me. And like, and it might be that I, like, I meet people where they're at, like, you brought a lot of communication into our relationship and like, I am really communicative with my friends. Um, but like, there have definitely been situations where there has been a problem that has emerged or that I've become aware of and I avoid discussing it with people.[01:10:00] 


yeah, that's where I'm, I am currently avoiding discussing the birthday party thing with the people involved in the birthday party situation. Um, and for me it's felt like, oh, I don't wanna hurt their feelings. Um, 

and also like the, the wedding is coming up and I don't wanna like, make anything weird or bring like weird energy to our wedding. 

Mm-hmm. . 

[01:10:24] Zach: not to therapize you, but can I ask you like, what, growing up in your household, what kind of, um, style of, of handling conflicts was us utilized? Cause I was just having a conversation with a friend the other day. Uh, I mean, it seems obvious, but like how much that affects how we deal with conflict now.

[01:10:47] Victor: Yeah.

[01:10:48] Zach: I grew up in a very kind of avoidant household. It was, we didn't really talk about feelings much and no one ever yelled. There was a, if, if there was a problem, there was like kind of passive aggression and martyr, [01:11:00] martyrdom, whatever you wanna call it. Uh, kind of catty comments, stuff like, stuff like that.

Um, and so for me now that kind of passive aggression like really activates me and really gets under my skin. Whereas if somebody yells at me, I'm just like, whatever dude. Like that, that you're just being a baby. But my friend grew up in a household with lots of yelling and so she gets yelled at, it gets under her skin, she gets very activated.

And if somebody's, if somebody's passive aggressive with her, she just sort of like brushes it off. And I'm the opposite cause I grew up the opposite. There's a So I'm just curious, , what your childhood was like.

[01:11:37] Olivia: I think like,

Hmm. That's an interesting question. I do, I do think that like, with one of my parents, like there was a. I feel like that was not an issue. There was really not a lot of, actually, I feel like one of my parents was like, pass more passive, you know? And like, or, or just isn't really bothered by a lot of things, you [01:12:00] know? Um, so a really positive person. And so like, uh, maybe that's like where like a, like a passivity kind of thing comes from.

And then with my other parent, rea their reaction was like, unpredictable. And like, it maybe didn't matter if, like I had a valid point to bring up. Like, uh, I was not always going to be met with like, um, an, like an emotionally intelligent discussion about it or like, understanding of my feelings.

Like I do feel like my feelings were really dismissed a lot of the time and I was like, told that I was being like overly emotional, um, if I ever had feelings about a thing that was like inconvenient for this parent. So like 

that does 

make sense that I would avoid, like, confronting people

[01:12:49] Zach: Yeah, 



[01:12:50] Olivia: feel like it might get me in trouble.

[01:12:52] Zach: Yeah. Or minimized. Or that the reaction would be unpredictable. Cause that's, there's something very scary about unpredictability. Like maybe even more [01:13:00] so than knowing you're gonna get yelled at.

[01:13:01] Victor: Or that 

it would damage the relationship.

[01:13:04] Olivia: Mm-hmm. .So

[01:13:04] Victor: fear that expressing your needs or, um, you know, enforcing your boundaries is just gonna damage the relationship. There's nothing to be gained, only things to be lost, you 

[01:13:16] Zach: Yeah. Which that, you know, that translates both to like, trying to simply fly away from the statue and then, and then to try and to trick it. 

You know, 

[01:13:25] Olivia: Mm-hmm. 

[01:13:26] Zach: both, both our styles of one is just literal flight and the other's like, um, casual deception, but neither are like, confronting it.

[01:13:36] Olivia: So if we think about the statue as this, that part of me for a second, like how does that track, say the statue, is this like, dysfunctional part of my psychology that is like following me,

[01:13:51] Zach: Or it could be like, cause like we've, we've said in the past, sometimes dreams are like, like how Victor put it, like running a simulation. Um, [01:14:00] it could represent like your fear of like, maybe it is not a situation that's actually happening right now, but. The fear of a situation that you will have to confront because it's so relentless and it's not gonna go away unless you do

[01:14:12] Victor: I felt like I had kind of like a, like a shifted perspective when, when, um, we were talking about, avoidance, a little bit about the, the 

mask where, okay, so you try and fly away, right? And that doesn't work. And then you have like this kind of perfect metaphor, uh, uh, for like, like putting on a brave face or acting like you're fine of like you've got a shadow of a shadow of yourself with these bright 



of positivity, 


That's like confronting this thing that you can't deal with the way you want to and it like, it can't get too close or it might see that that's a fake side of you that you're putting on 


Uhhuh that is like, I'm happy, I'm positive, things are good, we're 


[01:14:55] Olivia: and it, okay. And now that you're saying that, the reason why, so I told you I [01:15:00] moved, I moved the bust of the statue closer to it, and then I was like, oh, well no, that's too close. I moved it back when I moved it too close. I saw her freaking out under the mask.

She was like, freaked out. She was like, no, no, no, that's too


[01:15:15] Victor: literally, you're keeping enough distance between yourself and the problem so that it can't see that you're putting on like this positive, happy face 


[01:15:26] Olivia: it.



[01:15:28] Zach: um, did we pull up fish already

[01:15:30] Olivia: Fishy.

[01:15:31] Zach: because one. The first time the statue came back you were fishing. Right?

[01:15:37] Victor: Was that the first or second time?

[01:15:40] Olivia: Um, that was the third time I 

[01:15:42] Zach: But it felt like an, a new dream, right? Like a

separate dream that the angel came back to

[01:15:47] Victor: So I've got fishing and fish. Um, 

so I'll read fishing first.

[01:15:52] Zach: okay.

[01:15:53] Olivia: Oh. Oh. 

[01:15:53] Victor: were you gonna say? 

[01:15:54] Zach: I was just say there's some interesting stuff in in fish that, especially in the context of like it being [01:16:00] interrupted by a unrelenting problem.

[01:16:02] Victor: Yeah. So, 

[01:16:03] Olivia: uh,


[01:16:05] Victor: does 

this feel insightful? You're already 

skimming it. 

[01:16:07] Olivia: Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:16:08] Victor: To 

dream of fishing represents a wish to find new ideas or gain insights into problems. It may also reflect your search for a solution to an uncertain situation, feeling that something is wrong in your life. An open mind about solving a 


[01:16:23] Olivia: Okay. Um, Yes, that all makes sense. And then here to catch a fish symbolizes gaining insight as you pull it from the un unconscious into your conscious mind, discovering ideas. And in this dream, I catch a fish, it's really ugly, and I throw it back, into the unconscious

[01:16:45] Zach: That's right.

[01:16:47] Olivia: And then 

I look up and I see the fucking statue watching me.

[01:16:51] Victor: Ooh. 

I kind of feel like, I don't know. I feel like since, like, we had kind of a deep conversation 

yesterday. Yeah. 

And it's like maybe [01:17:00] that unearthed something in you that you, you maybe don't, um, engage with very often, and that might have leaked into this 

[01:17:07] Olivia: dream.


[01:17:08] Victor: Do you, does that 

feel Yeah,


[01:17:10] Olivia: That's so funny. I, I caught the insight. I looked at it, I didn't like 

it, and I put 

[01:17:16] Victor: it, 

[01:17:16] Olivia: back into the unconscious.

[01:17:17] Victor: Yeah. 

Don't we all do that? 


[01:17:20] Olivia: the

time? All right. I'll, I'm gonna catch the fish again. I'm gonna take a, a good look at it and I'm gonna keep it as a pet, I guess. 

[01:17:28] Zach: Sounds like if you don't, the angels, just the weeping angels just gonna keep following 


[01:17:32] Olivia: Fuck, fuck that.

[01:17:33] Victor: it looks like fish leans right into this interpretation to dream of fish represents unconscious thoughts or unconscious truths, things you may notice about yourself or your life, but don't fully 


being aware of something you can't fully grasp. A subtle awareness positively. fish may reflect valuable insights, learning new things about yourself, or that were previously difficult to grasp. Negatively. fish reflects emotional [01:18:00] problems or negative emotions that you notice yourself have but are refusing to take serious. You may be aware that you have a problem, but don't understand the underlying issues that created 

it. Insights that elude you. It may also reflect problems that are out in the open, but nobody wants to talk about people undergoing therapy or powerful personal growth.

Often dream of fish, swimming below the surface of the water to symbolize new insights about themselves that they're trying to discover.

[01:18:26] Olivia: I saw fish swimming. Uh, when I was fishing in the dream I saw, I saw one. Swimming in the water

[01:18:33] Victor: To dream of catching a fish, symbolizes gaining insight or new understanding, learning something about yourself or how a difficult problem works. Let's see. There's dead fish. There's fish size,

[01:18:43] Zach: really breaks it down by color too. There's like every color. Do you remember what color it was?

[01:18:47] Olivia: Yeah.

Um, my fish, my brother's fish was like a normal silver looking fish. Yeah. My fish was like the color of your shirt. Z It was like banana, yellow, [01:19:00] yellow. And it had like splotches of like white and light blue

[01:19:03] Victor: yellow fish reflects subtle awareness with issues that you notice keep manifesting in your waking life. Something you can't help but notice Bluefish are positive thoughts.

[01:19:14] Olivia: Okay. Hmm.

[01:19:16] Victor: Hmm.

[01:19:16] Zach: Yeah. 

[01:19:17] Olivia: there anything about an an ugly? I mean, actually I, I think I know why it's ugly. It was ugly cuz I didn't 

I didn't want, I didn't like it 

[01:19:24] Zach: You don't like 


[01:19:25] Victor: not comfortable with it. Yeah. You


want to confront the thing. It's easier to put it back in the water.

[01:19:32] Olivia: Yeah. And I think I keep telling myself like, it's those, one of those things, you know, when you're in a relationship that's not working and you're like, yeah, I gotta break up with them.

But like now's not really a good time.

[01:19:44] Victor: Then two years 

later you're like, eh, I've been thinking this for a long

[01:19:49] Zach: I mean, eventually the lease will be up and uh, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

[01:19:53] Olivia: yeah. 

[01:19:54] Victor: maybe they'll die. I don't 

[01:19:56] Zach: Maybe, maybe they'll radically change who they are.[01:20:00] 

[01:20:00] Victor: that's the

[01:20:01] Olivia: one. Don't ever think that.

[01:20:02] Victor: that's the 


[01:20:03] Olivia: Yeah. Um, 

[01:20:05] Zach: Maybe I'll grow into them.

[01:20:07] Olivia: Ugh.

[01:20:08] Victor: Oh, 

[01:20:08] Olivia: wow.

That's dark. Yeah. . 

Um, but yeah, no, I think particularly right now, 

[01:20:15] Victor: um, 

[01:20:16] Olivia: it feels like, oh, there's so much going on with the wedding and like, uh, like, and how this particular thing is manifesting in an it, it is like going to affect my ability to like fully be present at our wedding, I think.

And I think, 

[01:20:34] Zach: or that's what 

[01:20:35] Olivia: just like, 

[01:20:37] Victor: yeah, 

[01:20:37] Olivia: yeah, like, you know, I, I don't know. It, it is kind of important that, um, this is addressed the way that it's coming up right now. I think I need to address it before the 

[01:20:48] Zach: You talking now you're talking about the thing we're not talking about.

[01:20:51] Olivia: yes. 

[01:20:51] Victor: I think it's not an acceptable outcome for the wedding to be overshadowed by some problem like 

[01:20:59] Olivia: that.

I [01:21:00] don't think I would, I don't think I'm worried about that as much. Like I would not let anything overshadow our wedding. It's just that I want, 

[01:21:09] Victor: Um, 

[01:21:09] Olivia: obviously all the people we care about are gonna be at our wedding and like there's a, a thing that I want to discuss with somebody who's important to me, before the wedding, so that I don't feel like that is in the air between me and that person during this like, really special time where I want all of the people who I love to be around us and there to be just, you know, love and positivity.

That's what it's about. It's not that it would overshadow the wedding, it's just that like, 

[01:21:38] Victor:

[01:21:38] Olivia: to be like in a really good place with all of our closest people.

[01:21:42] Victor: Yeah. And I think this dream may symbolize a part of yourself that's, that's feeling aware that this is not just about this one situation. Yeah. There's a bigger pattern that you maybe need to start thinking about and trying to break.[01:22:00] 

[01:22:00] Olivia: Yeah.

[01:22:01] Zach: like avoidance.

[01:22:03] Victor: Yeah. 

[01:22:03] Olivia: Mm-hmm. .Yeah. I think that's right. 

Wow. And you 

[01:22:06] Victor: You tried to fly away from it and it, it, your dream pursued you. It was like, no, this is important. You can't check 


[01:22:13] Olivia: of this. Yeah. Do something

else. It's gonna shoot me down with a bow and arrow.

[01:22:16] Zach: you know, especially in reference to or talking about patterns, that's literally a thing you do in your dreams all the time. The fuck this, I'm out and just fly away.

[01:22:28] Olivia: yeah,


[01:22:31] Victor: We 

[01:22:31] Olivia: cracked it. We got there. I was worried. I didn't think we were gonna get there.

[01:22:35] Zach: Yeah, this is a big one. That would be frustrating if we 

[01:22:39] Olivia: Yeah. 

[01:22:39] Zach: much time on such a complicated dream and we're just like all shoulders.

[01:22:43] Victor: Mm-hmm. 

[01:22:44] Olivia: Hypnogogic Blue balls. That's term that I just came 

[01:22:48] Zach: that's the title of the episode.

[01:22:51] Victor: How weird is it though, that you had like a, a, a dream that perfectly channeled a doctor who 

[01:22:57] Olivia: monster.

Yeah. That's weird.

[01:22:59] Victor: It's a very interesting [01:23:00] dream. 

[01:23:00] Olivia: Yeah.

Well now I know what that statue means. I'll look out for it. . 

[01:23:05] Victor: Yeah.

[01:23:06] Olivia: yeah. I've got some personal work to do. So

[01:23:10] Victor: yeah. Good thing. I don't, 

[01:23:12] Zach: Yeah. 

[01:23:12] Victor: I'm perfect. That's why I don't dream perfect.

[01:23:16] Zach: It had nothing to work


[01:23:17] Olivia: He is . Perfect. Oh yeah. What was the, um, angel entry

[01:23:23] Zach: 

I thought we looked at it and it didn't strike a chord with you.

[01:23:25] Olivia: An 

angel may also represent a partner, fiance, or a spouse that you see as being Perfect.

I'll take it. 

[01:23:32] Victor: Yeah.

[01:23:33] Zach: That's Angel. Positively though.

[01:23:35] Victor: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[01:23:36] Olivia: There's no angel Negative.

[01:23:37] Zach: That's why it didn't work for, for this dream.

Oh shit. The ending where you come home and your protective ruins, Victor's messing. Like he's trying to get you to be less avoidant. He's

addressing the 

[01:23:52] Victor: That 


our, yeah. So we had this conversation that was representative of me 


[01:23:57] Olivia: with your, you were fucking with my

[01:23:58] Victor: with 

your [01:24:00] psychological barriers, preventing you from dealing 

[01:24:02] Zach: yeah, he's not like tipping him over either. He's just like kind of

[01:24:06] Olivia: He was like 

moving one, and then there was one on the opposite wall. And anytime he moved this one, the other one would move with it. And I was like, 

[01:24:15] Zach: he was just like, let's see what happens if we move this over here. And you're like, no, don't. I've been working on that for years. It keeps the demons 


[01:24:20] Olivia: Don't touch that.

[01:24:25] Victor: Wow. 

[01:24:25] Olivia: That's the, fabric of my subconscious You're gonna rip it?

[01:24:32] Zach: Thank you for listening to The Jung and the Restless. 

[01:24:36] Olivia: You can follow us on Instagram at The Jung and the Restless Pod and submit your dreams for interpretation to The Jung and the Restless Pod at 

[01:24:44] Victor: Gmail.

And as we always say, you can shoot a fish in a barrel, but you can't 

[01:24:48] Zach: make 'em drink. 

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