EPISODE

46. Baby Gator Ballet

Olivia’s therapist doesn’t think she’s very playful. The Dream Team chats about Bigfoot guys and horse girls, and eventually digs…...

Olivia’s therapist doesn’t think she’s very playful. The Dream Team chats about Bigfoot guys and horse girls, and eventually digs into a dream where Olivia is coerced by a group of mean ballerinas into doing a solo dance performance… oh and the Alligator baby makes another appearance!

0:00 Intro

2:22 Olivia isn't playful

8:34 A plea to our listeners

10:10 Shameful identifiers

17:45 Olivia's dream

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Dream Bible entries used in this episode:

Alligators: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=alligator

Ballerina: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=ballerina

Ballet: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=ballet

Mean: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=mean

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Episode Transcript

Baby Gator Ballet

[00:00:00] Victor: Welcome to The Jung and the Restless. I'm 

[00:00:02] Zach: I'm Zach.

[00:00:04] Olivia: And I'm Olivia and this is the podcast where I'm fun. I'm fun. 

[00:00:31] Victor: As soon as I hit that record button, all the thoughts just fall out of my head.

[00:00:36] Olivia: Yeah, we do kind of hit that button and then just stare at each other for a good 10 seconds.

[00:00:42] Zach: up. Yeah, we have no problem with like housekeeping stuff and how's it going's before that, um, because you don't have to worry about being interesting when it's just

[00:00:52] Olivia: I'm never worried about being interesting.

[00:00:55] Zach: not even on a podcast. Fuck em. Who

cares? What 

[00:01:00] Olivia: motto recently.

[00:01:02] Victor: I do feel like we've been doing this long enough, Zach, now that I feel like we can enjoy a comfortable silence. But that's not good for podcasts. It's good for our

relationship as people. 

[00:01:13] Zach: Yeah.

let's just put on some

music and just chill.

[00:01:17] Victor: we don't always have to do something, guys. We can just hang out,

you know, 

[00:01:20] Olivia: plans. We can just parallel play,

[00:01:23] Victor: right? 

[00:01:24] Olivia: other's company,

[00:01:25] Zach: Parallel play? 

[00:01:27] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:01:28] Zach: That sounds like a sex thing.

[00:01:32] Victor: It does, It sounds kind 

[00:01:33] Olivia: is, but it's an autism thing.

[00:01:37] Zach: Uh,

[00:01:38] Olivia: It's like when you like to, and you like to do your own separate activities 

[00:01:42] Zach: No, yeah, I I got it, but it also made me think of, you know, Jack and Jill ing off in the same room.

[00:01:51] Victor: you know?

[00:01:51] Zach: But, I, I didn't know that that was a term, parallel play. I was trying to come up with something like that the other day, cause Shelby and I were You know, working on our own stuff in the, in this tiny little room, uh, of mine. And I, I called it independent enrichment and she was like, all right. Guidance counseling.

[00:02:12] Olivia: Yeah, no that's called parallel play.

[00:02:15] Zach: Yeah.

[00:02:15] Olivia: love it over here. It's a, it's a favorite.

[00:02:18] Zach: Sexier than independent enrichment. It's

[00:02:22] Olivia: my therapist said I'm not playful and I disagree. That's the topic of the conversation.

[00:02:29] Victor: How fun are you supposed to be in therapy? Okay,

[00:02:32] Olivia: it was,

[00:02:33] Zach: Are they allowed to

say stuff like,

that? 

[00:02:35] Olivia: she was like running me through a questionnaire. We're trying to like, we're talking about attachment styles and she was running me through this questionnaire. And it was like 40 questions. And the only one, like I was saying, yes, no, yes, no. The only one she stopped me on was, she goes, uh, do you consider yourself to be playful?

And I said, yes. And she goes,

[00:02:57] Zach: Guess

again. 

[00:02:58] Olivia: that I experienced you as a playful person. And I was

like, well,

[00:03:05] Victor: Fucking real talk from a therapist

[00:03:07] Olivia: I, I actually, I asked Victor. I was like, do you think I'm playful? Like, I think I'm quite playful.

And. And she was like, she was like, I don't know about that. She's like, well, do you like board games? I was like, I love board games. We play board games all the time. 

[00:03:22] Victor: And she's like, really? 

[00:03:24] Zach: I can't picture that. Is playful

[00:03:26] Olivia: was like, what am I supposed to be doing in therapy?

Am I supposed to come in and like, entertain you?

[00:03:32] Zach: Is playful in this context supposed to mean like, like fun and, and bubbly and jokey? Or is it supposed to mean like, uh, engages in play?

[00:03:42] Olivia: Well, that's yeah, it's that.

And I

asked her that, and she, and her example was like, Like, you wouldn't like board games, right? Which is just funny 

[00:03:52] Zach: Yeah. Don't you guys have a board game night?

[00:03:54] Olivia: I love board games, we play board games all the time.

[00:03:56] Zach: Your husband made a board game.

[00:03:58] Victor: Yeah.

Well, not successfully, but

[00:04:00] Zach: Yeah, but she wouldn't have married a board game nerd if she wasn't playful.

[00:04:04] Olivia: I'm very playful.

[00:04:07] Zach: I'm so goddamn fucking playful. The silliest goose you ever met, goddammit.

[00:04:12] Olivia: She didn't question me on anything else.

[00:04:16] Zach: We

all, we all think 

[00:04:17] Olivia: too serious when I go into therapy. I think I'm too serious in there. I think I gotta lighten up when I go in.

[00:04:23] Victor: How does it feel to know your therapist has no interest in hanging out with you?

[00:04:28] Zach: they're literally not allowed to.

[00:04:30] Victor: Yeah, but like if they could, she wouldn't want to. You

[00:04:35] Olivia: you know, I don't think I actually have any feelings about that. That's okay.

[00:04:38] Zach: What if you 

[00:04:38] Olivia: don't mind 

[00:04:39] Zach: what if you found out that your therapist had a regular game night with all of their other clients, except you,

[00:04:46] Olivia: She's starting a group, like a group therapy with her other clients. I am invited to that though. 

[00:04:52] Zach: oh, 

[00:04:52] Olivia: I'm going to go.

[00:04:53] Zach: you're allowed to do that,

[00:04:54] Olivia: I think it's like. Yeah, I think she, well, she must be.

Yeah,

if you sign up for it. Yeah, it's not like she's like,

[00:05:02] Zach: Soliciting

[00:05:03] Olivia: yeah

[00:05:04] Victor: Here's the list of all my other patients and their addresses.

[00:05:07] Zach: and their ailments. 

[00:05:09] Victor: into.

[00:05:10] Olivia: their diagnosis

[00:05:12] Victor: And

[00:05:12] Zach: Brad BPD. 

[00:05:13] Victor: personal opinions about them. This little

note next to Olivia's name.

Not fun.

[00:05:19] Olivia: Brad BPD chronic cheater Olivia and not playful avoidant attachment style.

[00:05:27] Zach: phone number, yeah, I don't know, I, that is one line of therapy when I, when I've been in it is, uh, role playing. So I feel like, I feel like a therapist would classify me as not playful either, because that is. I'm willing to get into whatever else a therapist wants to do to get to the gooey

caramel center of my brain. 

[00:05:47] Victor: stuff

[00:05:48] Zach: Yeah, it's fun when we do it. But I mean, the g the... Gestalt?

[00:05:54] Olivia: Yeah, I mean that's what my therapist always calls the role playing stuff.

[00:05:58] Zach: I mean... Yeah, I don't I don't like the improv stuff in therapy. 

[00:06:02] Olivia: I don't like it either, it's really uncomfortable, but I still do 

[00:06:05] Zach: Alright, stand up from the couch, now you

[00:06:07] Olivia: Because I'm fucking playful.

[00:06:09] Victor: Oh.

[00:06:11] Zach: I'm gonna be your boss, and I'm gonna say I don't want to. That doesn't work for me.

[00:06:17] Olivia: Yeah, it's vulnerable.

[00:06:19] Zach: Well, I'm overthinking it. I'm like, going full method. I'm trying to figure out, like, how to... the character of me and like that gets in the way of my thinking about therapy.

[00:06:29] Victor: You need a director in therapy to, like, help you figure out your motivation and help you be a better version of yourself.

[00:06:37] Zach: like a Glenn, Glenn Close acting coach.

[00:06:40] Victor: What? What?

[00:06:41] Zach: Glenn Close. Isn't that the improv, the famous improv teacher?

[00:06:45] Victor: When I hear Glenn Close, I'm thinking of, uh, like, a woman that I think did, like, dramatic acting. she 

[00:06:53] Zach: I'm going to the Google. Yeah. She's an actress. I thought she was, I thought she also, Taught

acting like famously or had or was like the um, like the pioneer of an acting method or something I don't know.

[00:07:07] Victor: Totally

could

be, I just have never heard about it.

[00:07:11] Zach: Anyway, I don't like role playing therapy. 

[00:07:13] Victor: I'm so curious now. Okay, I gotta 

[00:07:16] Zach: I looked it up. All I got was results about her acting career

[00:07:19] Victor: Uh, okay. Well, okay, so it needs to be you, your therapist, and Glenn Close. Maybe you're

maybe Glenn Close needs to, like,

shadow you

for a while, like, follow you as you're doing your day job, Maybe, like, tries out.

being you, you know? Like,

just to, like, really get a feel for the character? And then, um, and then you'll have that big, that big breakthrough you've always been trying to have.

And a big break. Your, Your,

acting.

[00:07:47] Zach: That's mostly what I'm trying to get out of therapy.

[00:07:50] Olivia: Did I ever tell you guys about my butt to butt therapy dream?

[00:07:53] Zach: No, you alluded to it

[00:07:55] Olivia: Yeah, I think it just never came up, but... I had a dream where like,

we were in like a group therapy session, but like the whole shtick was that you had to like pair up put your feet together and like scoot your butts in as close as possible.

So that like, basically your assholes were kissing and then like, and then you did therapy.

[00:08:19] Zach: Yeah, I mean you can't get much more vulnerable than that.

[00:08:22] Olivia: Yeah. Um, and we'll do something to you.

[00:08:25] Zach: I think I was thinking of Del Close

[00:08:27] Victor: I haven't heard of that person.

[00:08:30] Zach: I

[00:08:31] Victor: So that sounds right. 

[00:08:32] Olivia: I believe you.

[00:08:33] Victor: Yeah.

[00:08:34] Zach: need to stop researching improv and focus on the pod

[00:08:37] Victor: Maybe we should do more like improv games on the pod. shake it up.

[00:08:41] Olivia: We did, we did one, one time we did like a round robin storytelling thing and then we had, that's my favorite episode that we've done so far. 

[00:08:51] Zach: Oh yeah, the one where We never, 

[00:08:53] Victor: GPT in terms of dreams. We had no 

[00:08:55] Zach: never did an actual dream.

[00:08:56] Olivia: Uh, I think it's episode 21. I think that's our goofiest episode.

[00:09:01] Zach: Maybe that's what we should do today, even though we have multiple dreams to get

[00:09:05] Olivia: We have so many dreams. Yeah.

[00:09:09] Zach: with our own dreams. We do, someone should write in.

[00:09:14] Olivia: Yeah. Someone should write it. We should really start pushing people to do 

[00:09:17] Zach: I mean, we have a lot of our own dreams. We, you know, we're learning about ourselves. It's all good. But, uh, if you're sick of hearing us talk about ourselves, ung and the restless pod at gmail. com.

[00:09:30] Olivia: Yeah. Yeah, write in, tell us your dream, we will not say your name, 

[00:09:37] Victor: Unless you

[00:09:37] Olivia: unless you want us to.

[00:09:40] Victor: but we don't recommend it.

[00:09:41] Olivia: Yeah, I wouldn't do I wouldn't put myself out there like that.

[00:09:45] Victor: You know how boring our email is? It's all just like emails from 

WordPress. 

[00:09:50] Olivia: us that someone's trying to hack our 

[00:09:52] Zach: I'm looking at it

right now. We will. You know, poke and prod around in your psyche and we're not qualified, but we will be as harsh as Olivia's therapist and tell you whether or not you're playful,

[00:10:04] Olivia: I'm fucking playful, okay? I'm s 

[00:10:07] Victor: Relax, we were just kidding around.

[00:10:10] Zach: You know, I was listening to our, uh, our most recently aired episode today and it was kind of funny, like, hearing Victor get defensive about being referred to as a bigfoot guy. And that reminded me of how, uh, like, wildly offended Olivia got when I called her a horse girl.

[00:10:29] Victor: Have

[00:10:29] Zach: And it's only a matter of time before we find the thing that, like, gets me riled up. The, like,

[00:10:35] Victor: we not done that

yet? It feels like we definitely would've done that 

[00:10:38] Olivia: Hmm.

[00:10:39] Zach: identity that like is so clearly me, but I vehemently deny,

[00:10:43] Olivia: I feel like you might actually get mad if we touch on it though.

[00:10:49] Zach: yeah, I might not be as playful as you, I don't know what that is because it's inherently a blind spot. You can't like identify that in yourself because it's a mat, you know, it's a matter of denial.

[00:11:01] Olivia: The horse girl thing comes with a lot of assumptions. That...

[00:11:06] Victor: so does the 

[00:11:07] Zach: I'm talking 

[00:11:07] Victor: guy thing

[00:11:08] Zach: This is the denial that I'm talking about. Yeah. The thing that you don't want to be associated with because of like the associations that you have in your head, it doesn't mean you're like those other people and you just. Have an affinity for horses or Bigfoot for me is for me. It's probably something like pro wrestling

[00:11:27] Olivia: What?

[00:11:28] Zach: Yeah, I watch a lot of pro wrestling,

[00:11:30] Olivia: You do?

[00:11:31] Zach: but I'm not a wrestling guy

[00:11:35] Olivia: Like

what, like

[00:11:36] Victor: wwe?

[00:11:36] Olivia: WWE? Is that what that is?

[00:11:38] Zach: That's that's one of the entities out there. It's not my favorite.

[00:11:42] Olivia: That's... Huh. I didn't know that about you.

[00:11:45] Victor: I wish

[00:11:46] Zach: You know, it doesn't come up a lot

[00:11:47] Victor: I was

[00:11:48] Olivia: I don't think that's it. You, you willingly offered that up. That's definitely not 

[00:11:53] Zach: I was a red herring 

[00:11:53] Victor: your comfort zone.

[00:11:55] Zach: You know throwing you

softball pitches 

[00:11:57] Olivia: your comfort zone.

[00:11:59] Zach: Yeah, we'll find it.

[00:12:01] Olivia: It's probably just that I'm like a pretty cool guy.

[00:12:04] Zach: Yeah, that's my thing. That's the thing. I don't think wrestle. I mean, I like wrestling, but there's like, uh, I guess that's why I compare it to like cryptid guys or horse girls because it's not like you can be into those things and It's cool. But like you maybe don't want to be associated with everybody who's into it, you know, because there are a lot of assumptions

[00:12:22] Victor: I do think like, like if I was older or lonelier, you know, like if life really went in a weird direction for me. I could see myself getting into, like, the Bigfoot community.

[00:12:34] Olivia: He already is. 

[00:12:35] Victor: Those people are fun.

They

just go out and

like,

drink beer in the woods. and Act like they're hunting for, um, for,

like a

great 

ape, and

play with their stupid fuckin Bigfoot 

[00:12:48] Olivia: I said that you were into Bigfoot ? 

[00:12:50] Victor: No, but I'm saying

those people seem like a good time to me 

[00:12:54] Zach: the logical extension of that association

[00:12:57] Olivia: You're gonna really, like, perfect your Bigfoot 

[00:13:00] Victor: I'm saying that if you died

[00:13:02] Olivia: Yeah, you'd get really weird and you'd be, like, an actual Bigfoot 

[00:13:06] Victor: That's one of the few directions I could go in that aren't like just like Super depressing.

[00:13:12] Zach: Only mildly depressing,

[00:13:14] Victor: Yeah, that's only a little depressing.

[00:13:16] Zach: you know make 

[00:13:16] Victor: There's

community

there

[00:13:18] Olivia: there. 

[00:13:19] Zach: no, that is attractive to me because I, I've always wanted to go hunting without killing an animal.

[00:13:26] Victor: Yeah, yeah, same kind of premise, right? 

[00:13:28] Olivia: ghost hunting.

[00:13:29] Zach: Yeah.

[00:13:30] Victor: Yeah,

that's what I'm saying.

[00:13:32] Olivia: Ghost hunting is just hunting for vegans.

[00:13:38] Zach: Man, I have looked at the price of ghost hunting equipment on Amazon. It's not that expensive.

[00:13:45] Victor: Not

that bad. Okay. That's not what I thought you were going to

say. I thought it was going to be a like, uh,

outrageous, 

[00:13:51] Zach: No, but getting ghost hunting equipment is like getting your first tattoo. It's like it might not be that expensive, but you're committing to being a certain type of person.

[00:13:59] Victor: right?

[00:13:59] Zach: That's really the down payment that you're putting down.

[00:14:02] Olivia: not what I thought you can get rid of it. You could sell that.

[00:14:05] Zach: That's true. You can't clear it from your Amazon history though.

[00:14:10] Olivia: No. Amazon will always know. What kind of person you are?

[00:14:14] Victor: Can you sell it? Have you ever seen used Bigfoot detection equipment

floating around out there 

[00:14:20] Olivia: for 

[00:14:20] Zach: That is a sad short story. Someone gave up the quest.

[00:14:24] Olivia: Lightly used Bigfoot tracker.

[00:14:27] Zach: I do like falling asleep to those documentaries. Just guys in the woods looking at... An indentation in the grass for like an hour and a half being like, Oh yeah, definitely bipedal.

[00:14:39] Victor: Yeah. Something about that just seems, uh, I don't know, blissful. Like what the fuck are you doing? You're just

having a good time. There

are no stakes.

Worst

case scenario is you

never find Bigfoot. 

[00:14:56] Zach: That's the only case in there. are you still watching after that horse? Olivia

[00:15:03] Olivia: Yeah,

[00:15:03] Zach: that's still like a daily.

[00:15:04] Victor: Victor's

[00:15:05] Olivia: Victor's helping me because, uh,

[00:15:07] Zach: Well, 

[00:15:07] Olivia: it's getting difficult to bend and bend over and lift heavy things and, 

[00:15:15] Victor: Yeah, I'll be right there. And then she'll like painstakingly reach down to grab something. I'm like, I'm right here. I could've gotten that for you.

[00:15:22] Zach: 

And what's so, what's so offensive about being

a horse girl? I don't know.

[00:15:27] Olivia: I feel like it either means that you like, are like a person who like, goes to like, horse shows and like, does horse showing, or you're like, The girl who was so obsessed with horses and like galloped around at recess. And I don't think I'm either of those things. not, there's anything wrong with either of that.

It's just that I don't want to, uh, be misperceived here. I just like animals. I like horses. I like, I like most, most mammals and reptiles too. I like reptiles. How do you guys feel about reptiles? Let's talk about something else.

[00:16:05] Zach: Ha ha! No, this is good.

We're, we're clearing the air. We're clearing the Bigfoot horse air. We

still, 

[00:16:12] Victor: the kind of horse girl that Sorry, go ahead.

[00:16:15] Zach: I said we still have yet to find my thing that I'm defensive about, but it's there.

[00:16:18] Olivia: Alright. Yeah, so I

[00:16:19] Zach: We'll stumble across it.

[00:16:21] Victor: Is it a vegan thing? 

[00:16:22] Zach: I mean, yeah, I, I could see myself getting defensive in a, in a, uh, an argument about that. 

I try not to though, cause it's already such a stereotype.

[00:16:33] Olivia: was looking

for my horse girl. And she was

[00:16:35] Victor: Yeah, so Olivia's the kind of horse girl that she was

standing naked in a field. Under the moonlight. And this horse emerged from the shadows

[00:16:49] Zach: this a true 

[00:16:49] Victor: eyes met.

[00:16:51] Olivia: in the fields under the moonlight. And this horse... 

[00:16:54] Victor: The horse emerged

from

the shadows, their eyes met, their buttholes touched they were bonded forever.

[00:17:02] Zach: a dream?

[00:17:03] Victor: She didn't choose this life.

[00:17:05] Olivia: Is this the movie Avatar?

[00:17:10] Zach: This is a new segment on Jung and the Restless called Guess the Bit.

[00:17:12] Olivia: Um, but

reptiles. Um,

[00:17:18] Zach: For sure thought you were going to segue into a dream, but no, let's talk about reptiles.

[00:17:22] Olivia: I am, uh, I had another alligator baby dream, which I thought might be an 

Marker

[00:17:27] Olivia: interesting thing to touch on. 

[00:17:29] Victor: Um,

[00:17:30] Zach: part dose.

[00:17:31] Olivia: so...

In this dream I was at school of sorts, some kind of school, I think college, and there was this group of girls that were like ballet dancers and they were, they invited me to like join them for a performance and I don't think I had ever

[00:18:05] Victor: I

[00:18:05] Olivia: I wasn't a dancer or anything, but so like I was brought into this group of girls and they were like doing like doing my makeup and stuff and like they were being nice, but I got the vibe that they were like being nice, but like that it was a joke or something like they didn't actually want to be nice to 

[00:18:23] Zach: Mean girls.

[00:18:24] Olivia: Yeah, um, 

and then 

we were rehearsing and I like improvised this, this dance that was like, it was like a narrative dance about like, The process of learning to do things and like the struggle of like, getting over hurdles as you like, uh, get better and better at a skill or whatever. It was something like that.

And it was like, good. It was like pretty good, you know, and they didn't like that. Um, so. Then, when it was time to do the performance, they like, didn't want me to go out and do the thing, because I think they were hoping I was going to embarrass myself, and I like, wasn't going to if I did the dance that I just came up with.

And so, they like, sent someone else out with me, and then like, I was confused about what was happening, because I thought I was doing the thing, that I just improvised, and so I kind of like, ruined their performance. But then, like, there was, like, a judge there or something, and she, like, asked me to do it again.

And she, like, made everyone else leave the stage , had me do the dance by myself. I killed it. And then... At the end of the dance, I, like, looked down at my, at my belly, and, like, I could feel the baby moving in there, and I saw, on my belly, I saw, like, the outline of the baby, like, I could see every, like, edge of the baby, and it was an, it was a baby alligator.

[00:19:51] Zach: Oh.

[00:19:52] Olivia: And, and then the last thing I remember is, she wanted me to do it again, but I was like out of breath and I felt like the baby was like in distress or like upset. And, um, I was like kind of torn, like feeling like I needed to do it again, but that I shouldn't because of the baby.

[00:20:13] Zach: Is that the whole dream?

[00:20:14] Olivia: Yep.

[00:20:16] Victor: Okay, so I got a whole bunch of symbols pulled up here. Do you want to start with symbols or do you want to start somewhere else? First impressions? How you feeling?

[00:20:25] Zach: and contrast your last alligator dream that we did on the pod. I do think it's interesting that the first time we talked about you and alligators in the episode alligator show, I forget what number it was, but, uh, that was a dream if I remember correctly about considering having kids

and now. 

[00:20:44] Victor: Yeah. 

[00:20:46] Olivia: was a pre pregnancy dream.

[00:20:49] Zach: Yeah. So now like, I'm interested to see the through line.

And what alligators mean to you pre decision and in the midst of going through with the decision.

[00:21:00] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:21:01] Victor: That was also a performance dream.

[00:21:04] Olivia: It was. It was on a stage. Oh, yeah.

[00:21:06] Zach: Yeah.

[00:21:07] Victor: No. 

[00:21:07] Olivia: That's 

[00:21:08] Zach: Except that time it was, uh, uh, Victor was playing on the stage. Right. And this time

[00:21:12] Olivia: Yeah, but he was just, he was just playing in between alligators.

[00:21:16] Zach: Oh, right. The show is about alligators. Vic. Victor was featuring for alligators,

[00:21:22] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:21:23] Victor: You

[00:21:24] Olivia: You were like the hype man for the next alligator performance.

[00:21:28] Zach: which not a

bet, not a bad gig.

[00:21:31] Olivia: Um.

[00:21:32] Zach: that opening gig.

[00:21:33] Olivia: Yeah, alligators have come up a few times. And if I remember correctly, they're like, they're like about fear, right? 

[00:21:41] Victor: Uh, yeah. Let's look at the alligator entry. So

[00:21:44] Olivia: just, it is interesting that like, it's become like a baby thing. And I've also had that in my head now, like for a while. That like the, that my baby is an alligator.

[00:21:57] Zach: And

a big foot. 

[00:21:59] Victor: Right. Yeah, that's,

me. Everything's a Bigfoot, me.

[00:22:03] Zach: You're a big foot guy.

[00:22:04] Victor: Yeah, 

that's 

[00:22:06] Olivia: a Bigfoot guy.

[00:22:06] Victor: Mm hmm. Everything's really, there's two kinds of things in this world. There's Bigfoots and there's El Chupacabras.

[00:22:15] Zach: Well, don't forget about Loch Ness monsters.

[00:22:17] Victor: There are Loch Ness monsters, yeah. Okay,

Uh,

so to dream of an alligator represents a situation in your life that you feel is dangerous. Feeling that a problem has rocked your sense of balance or safety, feeling shaken by something, or struggling to contain a problem. An alligator may also reflect a powerful fear you have.

An alligator may be a sign that you need to put more effort into confronting your fears or speak to someone about your problems.

[00:22:41] Olivia: Alligators go to therapy. That's right.

[00:22:45] Victor: yes, the alligator is therapy. It could just be you've made the association between the alligator and like the baby and so it's just representative of the baby But I'll keep going down the alligator track An alligator may reflect the danger you feel from a job layoff, argument, or interpersonal problem. It may also reflect the threat of loss or feeling that a crisis may be at hand. And then there's negative alligator, which it wasn't, um, eating alligator, blue

[00:23:16] Olivia: Yeah. I mean, like, obviously I'm, nervous about entering parenthood. That feels like a scary thing. It's exciting, but it's also like scary, you know? I definitely have like fears about it, but, um, I'm interested in ballet too.

[00:23:37] Victor: Yeah. we've got ballet, ballerina. Uh, mean dancing,

judge, 

[00:23:44] Olivia: Oh, uh, okay.

That's just, uh, 

[00:23:46] Victor: uh,

mean 

mean dancing,

uh, and stage.

Yeah.

[00:23:51] Zach: like in step up

[00:23:52] Victor: uh, ballet. To dream of the ballet represents a situation that requires perfection or not making any mistakes. A strong focus on remaining balanced or away from trouble. You may be confronting an unforgiving problem that requires your total dedication. Well, that feels right. Uh, and then there's ballerina. Um, I guess the ballerinas were the main thing, right? More than the ballet?

[00:24:19] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:24:21] Victor: you were dancing. Were you, were you doing ballet?

[00:24:24] Olivia: I would say that it was like,

[00:24:26] Zach: you made it sound

like 

[00:24:27] Olivia: like I saw, I think it was more like modern dance, if I'm to categorize it, but I remember seeing,

[00:24:35] Zach: narrative dance was the word you used I

[00:24:38] Olivia: yeah, and I think it was more like modern dance, if I'm to put it into like a, an actual dance style, but I did see pointe shoes. So that is why I initially went with ballet.

[00:24:52] Zach: do you have any

history with with dance,

[00:24:55] Olivia: Nah. I mean, I like, I think I did like ballet class as like a toddler,

[00:25:01] Zach: right?

[00:25:01] Olivia: but everyone did that. So

no, I'm actually quite bad at dancing. Not my thing.

[00:25:07] Zach: But you felt like you were crushing it in the dream.

[00:25:09] Olivia: Oh yeah. No, it was so good.

[00:25:11] Zach: No, that's interesting.

[00:25:12] Olivia: It was like, and it was like deep too.

[00:25:15] Zach: Yeah, it reminded me of one dream I had like a while back where I was like Dancing like on a like an Irish

cliffside like this beautiful This beautiful, like backdrop of, of, of the sea. And, and it was just very scenic dream. And I was just like doing this epic dance that I was like, I remember being like a really awe inspiring dream where I was like, King of the world.

And, and, and I have no, I'm not a dancer. I have no, like, even like passing interest in dance. 

So like, 

[00:25:49] Olivia: like Irish step dance?

[00:25:52] Zach: no, if it felt kind of like what you're describing, like it was

very, very big sweeping, kind of like almost like superhero movements, like I could jump and spin and it just felt very expressive and very, um, uh, I don't know, I guess I'm sharing this to see if, if there's some common ground, cause maybe this is like a common, um, dream for people to have under certain circumstances,

[00:26:16] Olivia: Yeah, and I remember specifically, , that the dream, or the, the dance was telling the story of, like, trial and error and, like, it, it, like, started off of, like, movements that were, like, representative of trying and failing, failing and, like, slowly, incrementally getting better until you, like, are masterful at something.

Um.

[00:26:42] Zach: Which sounds like a

[00:26:42] Olivia: Which feels important.

[00:26:44] Zach: Yeah. It sounds like a concept that's probably been on your mind a lot. And I mean, you have brought this concept up on the podcast a

lot. 

[00:26:51] Olivia: the consciousness continuum.

[00:26:53] Zach: That's what I was going to say.

[00:26:55] Olivia: Yeah, yeah, I wonder.

[00:26:58] Victor: Well, alright, let's read Ballerina. Um, to dream of a ballerina represents an aspect of your personality that is a perfect example of stability, balance, and grace. Moving through obstacles effortlessly. Perfect example of never being in trouble, feelings about nothing getting you back, or that nothing is losing as long as you don't do anything stupid. Never noticing jealousy while you gracefully accept yourself the way you are. Poise and balance in your life. Did you have a thought?

[00:27:28] Olivia: Oh, just that I can't relate to any of that at all.

[00:27:32] Victor: But I can, I can jump straight to negatively if you want, since it was, uh, there were like mean girl ballerinas.

[00:27:38] Olivia: yeah, you know, I don't know, like, I saw pointe shoes, but I wouldn't say like that. They totally felt like ballerinas. They felt they definitely were dancers. We can hear ballerina too. I'd also be curious to see how it differs from like the dancer entry.

[00:27:57] Victor: Negatively dreaming about a ballerina represents concerns with losing balance or stability in your waking life.

[00:28:03] Olivia: Oh, okay.

[00:28:05] Victor: There you go. Keeping yourself away from a problem. Concerns that discipline or structure is not strong enough. Showing off being a perfect example balance to the other. Showing off being a perfect example balance to other people. I don't know. Are you being subjected to disciplinary actions requiring you to stay a balanced individual? Feelings about being unable to obtain or measure up to other ideals. A perfect example of a stability that is both innocent and vulnerable.

[00:28:36] Olivia: Okay.

[00:28:37] Victor: Feeling that you don't need to be protected while being an expert that never loses. 

[00:28:41] Olivia: Stability that's both innocent and vulnerable. 

[00:28:46] Victor: what does that bring up for you? Yeah.

[00:28:48] Olivia: Um, well, all of that felt like just like the pressure I'm putting on myself as like a new parent, right?

[00:28:57] Zach: Innocent and vulnerable certainly seems to describe a baby

[00:29:01] Olivia: right. And like that feels hard for me to like, for me to engage in that way. Yeah. Feels difficult

and is something that I'm talking to my therapist 

[00:29:15] Zach: way to, to engage in what way

[00:29:17] Olivia: Um,

[00:29:18] Zach: or what do you mean?

[00:29:18] Olivia: just that, like, I have a hard time being vulnerable in certain situations.

We talked about this a little bit last

week, but like, um.

Like I'm comfortable with like safe people and safe places and stuff. And like,

[00:29:37] Zach: And however many listeners we have,

[00:29:39] Olivia: right. Cause that's all hypothetical and

I can pretend like there are none. Um,

[00:29:46] Zach: there might

be, 

[00:29:48] Olivia: there's, there's not none, but, um,

[00:29:52] Zach: hope so.

[00:29:54] Olivia: yeah. Um,

but like, if they started talking to me, if they wanted to talk to me about my problems, I'd be like, Oh, I feel very seen right now.

[00:30:02] Victor: talk to me about my problems, I'd be like, oh, I feel very safe right now. We'll invite

[00:30:14] Olivia: We'll invite you on, but like, I, yeah, I guess just like becoming a parent and having a kid around is, inherently vulnerable and, I feel comfortable with that like in privacy, I guess.

I don't know, the thing that's coming up for me is like, I feel like I'm gonna have a hard time with that around my family, like, and around other people that I, like, don't feel as comfortable around sometimes.

I don't think I'm gonna get into that much more than that. That's the level I'm gonna go with that right now.

[00:30:54] Zach: I mean, you're touching on stuff that you have talked about so far,

[00:30:57] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:30:58] Zach: so it's not, it's not a new wound that you're opening or anything. Sounds like unless, unless you're holding back even more, but

[00:31:05] Victor: The last sentence of the negative ballerina paragraph, I think, kind of sums it up nicely. It says, feeling stressed out or annoyed at needing to be perfectly behaved, safe, or disciplined for other people.

[00:31:19] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:31:20] Zach: that plays into what you were just saying

[00:31:26] Olivia: Yeah, yeah, it definitely stresses me out.

[00:31:29] Victor: definitely stresses me out. And so, if we look at it from that lens of like, kind of like, like a false niceness, it's like they're being nice to your face, but there's like an antagonistic Thing there that might be connected to maybe how you feel, you know, pressured or like being asked to do things you don't wanna do or whatever.

It's like, it's like on its face, it's friendly, but like, it feels like a conflict.

[00:31:58] Olivia: Yeah, yeah, and like, I think in Waking Life, like, there's a few things I can point to about that that, like, I don't think they were intended that way, but like, yeah, there's been, like, a little bit of pressure around, like, baby stuff, but, um, Like, I feel like I have to, like, hold a boundary, and then it, like, stresses me out and makes me feel like...

Yeah, it does make me feel like, well, like, why would that person put me in this position? That's like, so unfair and rude of them. But like, realistically, it's okay for me to say no. Like, it's okay for me to hold that boundary. And I did do that. It's just like, then I get all worked up about it because I feel like I'm being a dick for holding my boundary.

I don't know. Is that kind of what you mean?

[00:32:47] Victor: Yeah, or it's like, you know, yes, that is what I mean. That kind of thing, and, and also like, you know. Maybe when someone

asks about

something.

or whatever, but you can tell that there's like a, like a, more, like it's, it's a conflict, right? Even

if it's, even if it's like friendly on space or it's, um, um, no one's asking you to do anything, but they are, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah.

[00:33:17] Zach: or what they're asking of you is like socially normal, you know? I mean, sorry, um, if I've gotten lost, but are you, you're still talking about the boundary of like people wanting to see the baby as soon as it's born?

[00:33:35] Olivia: yeah, well, some of that, yeah, like, well, for, for example, uh, a family member Um, yeah, texted us a picture of, like, their friend meeting their one day old grandchild. And... And this family member was like, I'm not pressuring you, I just wanted you to see this beautiful picture of my friend getting to meet their one day old grandchild, and there's no pressure at all, but I just think that, I just wanted you to see this.

Because. Look at how important that was for this other person. And it's like, okay, yeah, I, I hear you saying the words that there's no pressure, but this is like a very loaded message and there is pressure there. Um, and so yeah, that, that, that kind of thing has come up a little bit. Um, and so it puts me in a, in a state of feeling like.

Um, I have to like defend my boundary like it's not about setting the boundary as much as it's like well now you're on the other side of my boundary like pushing like pushing on the walls and like testing it right and it makes me it puts me into like kind of a

[00:34:53] Victor: a

[00:34:53] Olivia: state of having to be on the defense which I don't want to have to do that.

[00:34:59] Zach: Right.

[00:35:00] Victor: Especially if you've got, like, people pleasing tendencies that I think we, we both do. It's like,

someone just expressing a desire

puts you in a place where it's like, man, will I hate to be the one to tell this person no, they can't have the thing that they're telling me that they want.

And so like

my impulse is usually, like,

I

want to say yes to things if someone expresses a need, even if it, like, wears me out.

And it's like... Hard to

say no and stresses me out to say no, you know, 

and I will sometimes but I don't like having to do it you know,

[00:35:34] Olivia: yeah. Yeah. I, and like this is really the first thing where I have like, Felt so strongly that it, like, outweighs the tendency I have to just, um, give what people want. Um,

[00:35:50] Zach: Yeah, I'm sure there's some cognitive dissonance there too. I mean, this is what I meant by like the social normalcy of it. Like I think it's it's granted I have I don't have any kids and I haven't had a lot of friends that didn't have kids. My memories of people having kids are like my relatives who, whose kids are like 12 now. So they may even be outdated memories. But, um, as far as I can tell, and this is sort of reinforced by the pressure that people are putting on you with messages like this, it's pretty normal societally to have people over and hold the baby. And it's like a. Like that whole rigmarole is like pretty, um, universal or ubiquitous, it seems, um, but it's not for everybody and it's

made, it's maybe not even like, uh, idea in general. I don't know. I don't know. I get it. It's different

styles, different styles of approaching the situation. And, but I, I definitely feel like as an introvert, I've run up against that in smaller and smaller ways and like little microcosms where it's like, The social contract or the, um, the way things go, the, the, the social architecture is set up in a way that does not gel with me.

And it's really hard,

whether you have people, people, people pleasing tendencies or not, it's really hard to, to go against the grain.

[00:37:21] Olivia: Yeah. Well,

and like, I know I've like expressed this before, but like, 

[00:37:27] Victor:

[00:37:27] Olivia: don't know. I just like to really emphasize what it is for me. Like the idea of having just birthed a child and like dealing with like breastfeeding and like, um

[00:37:44] Zach: going to be so much going on.

[00:37:45] Olivia: bleeding and like needing help to the bathroom and like in the bathroom and like Oh my 

[00:37:52] Zach: You and Victor are going to be doing some of the most intimate shit 

you've 

[00:37:56] Olivia: that is the last time that I want to see anybody but Victor like it makes me cringe thinking about somebody, like, even, like, my immediate family, like, just, like, popping into the room while I'm feeling that way, like, while I have just gone through this whole ordeal, like, I just don't want to see anyone, and, like, yeah, maybe that's an introvert thing, maybe it's a therapy thing, but, like, it's, like, a mental health thing for me, like, it's just, like, I'm not willing to Put myself in that position that feels really like unsafe and uncomfortable for me and I'm not willing to do it.

And the other thing that is like also a big factor is that like, it's the middle, it's going to be the middle of like cold and flu season. Um, I just like, I'm going to be worried about someone giving our like infant with no immune system, a cold that could like put them in the hospital and like. Um, I would rather just, like, bunker down, heal, and figure out how to take care of an infant without people, like, popping in, you know?

[00:39:12] Victor: Um,

[00:39:13] Olivia: And I know that they're going to be so excited and they really want to, like, come over and they want to meet the baby. And I also, like, I just, I don't want to have to, like, defend that choice because it's so, like, it's so important to me and I'm gonna, I just know that I'm gonna feel, like, violated if people are, like, still trying to, like, push past that or, like, stopping by, like, hoping they can get a glimpse of the baby or whatever.

Um, how did we get here?

[00:39:46] Zach: alligators

[00:39:48] Victor: Ballet. 

[00:39:49] Olivia: Ballet,

ballerina, negative ballerina.

[00:39:53] Zach: how much do you think of that? How much of that do you think is a heritage when it comes to, uh, cause you would think maybe like, and I don't even know who these people are that you're talking about. They might want to stop by, but like how many of them have had kids and have gone through the same thing and you would think, no, what it's like, but maybe they had to go through like a similar pressure and they caved in.

And they had to deal with people coming over and if, and their, maybe their mentality is like, well, I had to do it. That's just the way it is. And

[00:40:28] Olivia: yeah,

I think that it's a generational thing. I think people used to just think, Oh, well, everyone comes into your hospital room while you're bleeding and, like, leaking milk and, like, they all meet the baby and then people, like, stop by and bring you food and hold your baby and it's like...

[00:40:45] Zach: yeah, they're

like, yeah, 

[00:40:46] Olivia: just what you do,

[00:40:47] Zach: that sucked. But who are you to change it? Like,

[00:40:50] Olivia: right? Right. Or like, or maybe they're okay with it. Some people are okay with it. 

[00:40:55] Victor: Um, the last sentence, uh, says feeling that you don't need to be protected while being an expert that never loses, feeling stressed out or annoyed at needing to be perfectly behaved, safe, or disciplined for other people.

So I think, I think mostly what we're getting at is like, like a, like a sense of needing to be perfect or like having all your shit figured out in the next couple of months to deal with, like taking care of a baby. And then also to be on top of, like, some of this, like, existing social stuff that needs to get, that needs to be handled a particular way, right?

[00:41:40] Olivia: yeah, um, yeah, that feels like that could be part of this for sure.

[00:41:47] Victor: And so like, you know, you have these ballerinas that set you up for failure, right? They like want you to embarrass yourself and they're there to like make you, um, suffer, right? And then you kind of take everybody by surprise and you actually nail it, right? You actually really do exactly what you need to do. Um, and then they keep trying to sabotage you, but you're so good that it shines through and the judge is like, wait, no, I can tell, even with all this like nonsense, I can tell you're, you got real talent. You come back

here, show me what You got Yeah,

you got it. Yeah. He got star power. Um, which I think speaks to maybe like a confidence you have that we're, we're gonna get through all this, you know? 

[00:42:39] Olivia: I, I do feel like, I feel like we are being very intentional about, The choices we're making and how we're approaching things. And, um, I feel good about all of the decisions we've made and, um, I think the last piece of this dream for me would be that after I did the dance for the judge, my alligator baby was like in distress, like wiggling around and I like.

Wasn't sure if I should do the dance again, like the judge asked, or if I needed to like, stop.

[00:43:20] Zach: I thought you made it sound like you for sure weren't going to do the dance again.

[00:43:24] Olivia: I don't think I was, but like, I rem, it just ended with like, I saw the outline of the alligator in my abdomen and, um, I felt it moving around and, and it felt like I was like out of breath and like, that that was stressing out the baby.

[00:43:45] Victor: Um, so just, just checking through these entries, it says to dream of dancing by yourself represents happiness. You're feeling good about a situation working out the way you want it to, success or life working out for you, a sense of exhilaration. And it sounds like you were experiencing that kind of as you were doing it, right?

It was

like success and,

[00:44:07] Olivia: Well, that's what the dance was about too. It was like about, it was about, it was a success story.

[00:44:13] Victor: Yeah. Yeah. So directly connected here. Um, which is interesting. So like, if the dance is so positive, it's interesting that it like caused. Distress or harm to the alligator baby.

[00:44:28] Zach: Maybe that's just about like, I don't know. You doing this metaphorical dance on your own terms and knowing where the limits are.

[00:44:37] Olivia: Yeah, I was gonna say maybe it was a, maybe that was a moment that was... Like, um, someone else was asking me to do something for them, and I was making the call of, I don't think that's the best thing for the baby. That's what that situation felt like. It felt like the judge wanted to see me dance again, um.

[00:45:05] Zach: But it wasn't about being judged.

[00:45:07] Olivia: Right,

and it was that, like, I noticed, I did feel like some internal conflict though, like, I felt like oh, what, but what do I do? The baby is, um, like, in distress.

[00:45:20] Zach: But it sounds like this dream is about that internal conflict, right?

[00:45:24] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:45:25] Zach: Your decisions and boundaries versus expectations.

[00:45:30] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:45:31] Zach: Like if I had to pitch one phrase to summarize what this dream seems to be about.

[00:45:39] Olivia: Yeah. Yeah.

And just another thought, it didn't feel like the, the dance was like, um, bad for the baby. It felt like I was out of breath and winded and like I had exerted myself and that I needed to take a break for the baby. it wasn't that the dance was bad. It was just that like, I, I needed to not do it again right then.

[00:46:01] Victor: before the baby gets here, or to be perfect for the baby is like not realistic, right?

It's like a thing that's kicking in that's gonna drive you to work on some stuff, but like you are not going to achieve perfection in any, in any way before the baby gets here.

[00:46:24] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:46:24] Victor: Um, Yeah, and I'm so disappointed in you. No, uh, Yeah,

but it's like, um,

that

is useful like,

if you can use it to motivate you a little bit

but there does come a point

where that's going to cause you so much stress and Exhaustion and

burnout that it gets, in the way of doing what we need to do to take care of the baby, right? 

[00:46:46] Olivia: Yeah,

[00:46:47] Victor: It's like,

[00:46:48] Olivia: yeah, that, that makes sense. 

[00:46:50] Victor: Needing to like being

present.

for the baby And taking care of yourself and taking a breath is more important than doing this whole, like, social life dance that, of, like, being perfect in all of these ways that a lot of which have to do with, like, external, um, opinions and, uh, external validation of, like, what you should be doing and how to be the perfect parent and how to be the perfect, um, um, You know, daughter that is having a baby and how to be the perfect, uh, uh, sister or what, and whatever else, whatever else is in your head, you know?

[00:47:35] Olivia: Yeah,

[00:47:35] Zach: And like you were saying in the episode of ours that I was just listening to today, um, so much of being a parent is just stuff you can't prepare for

[00:47:44] Olivia: yeah,

[00:47:45] Zach: I'm just quoting you and your research 

that that's 

[00:47:49] Olivia: mm hmm,

[00:47:50] Zach: so much of it is living in the moment and just not, not being prepared for the thing that's going to happen.

So this stands to reason that the best thing you can do if you can't prepare for it is to just be healthy and, and, uh, able to

respond. 

[00:48:07] Olivia: yeah, and that's something that I like struggle with is like Wanting to make the perfect decision for everything, even little things. Like, um, to a point where it, like, prevents me from, like, action. Uh, and I get stuck in, in the decision making process. Um, and because it's like, it has

to be the perfect decision, but like, I think that

[00:48:37] Victor: that's,

[00:48:38] Olivia: that's, uh, that's definitely, that's not going to work with a baby.

You kind of just have to like, take care of it, you know, do what feels right.

[00:48:46] Zach: yeah, I don't know how you're doing it. I, 

[00:48:47] Victor: the translation. But 

[00:48:49] Zach: I'm so indecisive. I once spent like an hour and a half in a Ross because I was hung up on cost versus thread count when it came to two sheets for the bed

[00:49:00] Olivia: That's me. That I will, I will do that kind of 

[00:49:03] Zach: with the indecision option paralysis.

[00:49:05] Olivia: You should have seen me, like, planning our honeymoon. It was like,

[00:49:10] Zach: You guys were

talking about 

[00:49:11] Olivia: the hardest thing.

[00:49:13] Zach: Somehow the most, like, chill Victor's ever been.

[00:49:16] Olivia: Yeah, Victor's chill on vacation. He's like, hey, yeah, let's 

[00:49:19] Zach: He understands what vacation's for. 

[00:49:23] Olivia: I'm like, we need to

maximize

our time here.

[00:49:29] Victor: Let me read this last entry, the stage entry, because I do think it's relevant. dream that you are on a stage represents a presentation of yourself to others.

[00:49:40] Olivia: Hmm.

[00:49:41] Victor: How your beliefs, ideas, or attitude is being shown to others. You or someone else that is on the stage of life or the current center of attention An area of our life or an aspect of ourself that is being prominently watched by others

[00:49:56] Olivia: Ah. 

[00:49:58] Victor: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:49:59] Olivia: Oh, that's like, that's what being pregnant is.

[00:50:02] Victor: Yeah.

[00:50:03] Zach: devastatingly poetic for the Dream Bible. For the dramatic, error ridden Dream Bible.

[00:50:12] Victor: And

[00:50:13] Olivia: Well, and like, like being pregnant is like that. Uh, first of all, it is totally like that. People just like stare at you when you walk by. It's weird. Um, but like.

[00:50:25] Victor: like,

[00:50:26] Olivia: Having a newborn baby is going to be like way more than that. And, uh, everyone wants in on that. Everyone wants to like witness.

[00:50:38] Zach: The Miracle of Life?

[00:50:40] Olivia: Yeah. And they want to, they always say they want to, they want to see it while it's fresh. Which,

[00:50:45] Zach: Weird.

[00:50:46] Victor: disgusting. Isn. Fucking

[00:50:47] Olivia: weird?

[00:50:48] Zach: It's not a croissant. 

[00:50:50] Victor: Get your own miracle of

life. 

[00:50:52] Olivia: it still smells like the inside of me, what?

[00:50:55] Zach: Ugh. 

[00:50:56] Olivia: Get out of here!

[00:50:58] Zach: Fuckin weirdo.

[00:51:00] Olivia: Like I feel in that position, like, hypothetically, I feel, exploited a little bit, it feels really intrusive, and it's like.

Um, I just kind of want that time for me and for us as a family and, yeah, I,

I'm like really uncomfortable with being like, yeah, like perceived in that state, I guess. And in general, don't perceive me, people. Stop perceiving me.

[00:51:29] Zach: You know what I think? I think you're just maybe not, not playful enough.

[00:51:38] Olivia: Yeah, I'm a real stick in the mud.

[00:51:40] Victor: I'm a real stick

[00:51:42] Zach: I need to experiment with some parallel play.

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[00:51:45] Zach: Thank you for listening to The Jung and the Restless.

[00:51:48] Olivia: You can follow us on social media at the Jung and the restless pod And submit your dreams for interpretation to the Jung and the restless pod at gmail

[00:51:57] Victor: And, as we always say,

You know 

[00:51:59] Zach: they say about 

[00:52:00] Victor: big foot, 

Big hand.

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