44. Our Baby, Sasquatch

Victor fell down the stairs, but he’s okay. Victor shares a cute parenthood dream where he teaches his sasquatch daughter…...

Victor fell down the stairs, but he’s okay. Victor shares a cute parenthood dream where he teaches his sasquatch daughter how to shave. Zach shares a dream where he watches New York City get nuked. Did we mention that Victor’s new album came out? Click the link below to check it out!

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00:00 intro

00:48 Victor Fell Down the Stairs

10:04 Victor's Sasquatch Dream

33:12 Phobia discussion

37:04 Zach's New York Dream

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Dream Bible entries used in this episode:

Bigfoot: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=bigfoot

Trees: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=Trees

Farm: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=Farm

New York City: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=New+York

Nuclear War: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=Nuclear+War

Cafe: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=Cafe

Defeat: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=defeat

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Episode Transcript

44. Our Baby, Sasquatch

[00:00:00] Zach: Welcome to the Jung and the Restless. I'm Zach.

[00:00:04] Olivia: I'm Olivia.

[00:00:05] Victor: And I'm Victor, and this is the podcast where some idiot fell down his own stairs.

[00:00:39] Zach: Yo soy Sotelo. No tengo dinero. Yo soy Sotelo. Ba da da ba ba ba ba.

[00:00:48] Olivia: Victor fell down the stairs.

[00:00:49] Victor: Yes,

[00:00:50] Zach: Oh no! 

[00:00:51] Victor: Were you holding on to that until we started

[00:00:53] Olivia: No, I just saw I'm sitting on the floor behind Victor right now because, uh, I can't sit.

[00:00:59] Zach: support.

[00:01:00] Olivia: Yeah, but there's a big bruise on the back of your arm.

[00:01:03] Victor: Oh, yeah. Yeah. That one surprised me. I just, like, felt it and was like, Ow! Oh! Oh, that's right.

[00:01:10] Zach: after all that worrying about you going up and down the stairs.

[00:01:12] Olivia: Yeah, no, we were just talking about that, weren't we?

[00:01:15] Victor: Yeah, I was just saying, I don't think we should be bringing the baby up and down the stairs all the time.

[00:01:19] Olivia: Uh, we've lived in our house for like two and a half years and

[00:01:22] Zach: You forgot about the main baby.

[00:01:26] Olivia: What about this baby? they're like wooden stairs and they're not like sketchy necessarily, but like they're hard stairs and, uh, he was wearing socks and I was in the kitchen and I heard, I heard him fall and like turned and he was falling for like a good five to seven seconds after I, after

[00:01:48] Victor: after

[00:01:48] Olivia: the initial kathunk.

[00:01:50] Victor: just kept going. 'cause I like, I like was walking on my big floppy socks. Not a care in the world. Dogs trotting behind me. I'm wisecracking at Olivia about something and my feet go out from under me and then I like fall and I'm kind of like half on my ass and half on my side and I just like, kathunk down every stair and then I kick through a baby gate,

[00:02:15] Olivia: Yeah, the baby came and went flying.

[00:02:18] Victor: and I just land on my ass. Um, and so I'm all bruised

[00:02:22] Zach: Those are the worst ones, the ones that last like, multiple seconds.

[00:02:26] Olivia: The dogs have been like, really worried about him going up and down the stairs.

[00:02:32] Victor: Yeah. Now that like before our, our dumber dog was like, whatever. And we're just like, try and like knock me over running down the stairs. And now he's looking at me like, I don't know, man,

[00:02:43] Olivia: He like, waits. He 

[00:02:44] Victor: be careful. 

[00:02:45] Olivia: He waits for you to get all the way off the stairs.

[00:02:47] Zach: Yeah, those floppy socks will do it too, against the, the wood.

[00:02:51] Victor: Mm

[00:02:52] Zach: Otherwise, you know, they have pretty good traction, but yeah, they suck to fall down. We had, uh, wooden stairs to our basement growing up. And, uh, like just wood, like splintery, hard wood. And it was one of those ones that goes down to a platform and then makes a turn and goes down more.

You know what I mean?

[00:03:10] Victor: Yeah.

[00:03:11] Zach: And, uh, for some reason, I don't remember where my parents were, or my sister, but I had the house to myself for one week in high school, and so naturally I was walking around naked, and my room was in the basement, and I remember running down the stairs naked, and I had never done that before, so I didn't know what it would look like, and like, know, everything down there, like, jostling with the stairs, I laughed so hard immediately, at my, at my own anatomy, like, flapping around like that, and, uh, like, missed a step and went tumbling, like, like, ass over short, like, what is the expression?

Ass over teacup, or whatever.

[00:03:51] Olivia: I thought you meant like, you didn't know what it would look like. Like, figuratively. Like, you didn't know what that experience would be like going down the stairs naked. Not that you literally didn't know what it would 

look like.

[00:04:03] Victor: her baby has slid all the way down the side

[00:04:05] Zach: Well, yeah, I mean, I had never run down stairs naked before, that's not, that's not a thing you get to do in life very often.

[00:04:10] Olivia: Yeah, and I guess you're looking at your feet, like, at the stairs, so,

[00:04:14] Zach: I was trying to look at my feet, I got 

[00:04:16] Olivia: yeah. 

[00:04:19] Zach: There are three components and they were not moving together in unison. It was like a bag of groceries being jostled in a car. And it was, it was so funny that I just ate shit. And so I fell naked down wooden stairs.

[00:04:34] Victor: So, maybe we should...

[00:04:34] Zach: Like hit that platform and then like...

Rolled down the next few and I was still laughing. I was like laid out flat on the concrete naked still laughing at myself

[00:04:45] Olivia: Oh,

[00:04:45] Zach: And that's why people have those cameras in their home for some moments moments like that I wish that had been captured

[00:04:51] Olivia: One time we had, like, a babysitter who brought, who would bring her own baby to babysit us. And, um, her baby, started going down our stairs and she, dove after her baby, obviously, and slid all the way down the flight of stairs and put a huge hole in the wall at our house. So,

[00:05:12] Zach: but the baby was okay.

[00:05:14] Olivia: the baby was fine,

[00:05:15] Zach: Okay worth it then That's how my sister broke her collarbone when we were kids Doing the classic like trying to ride a box like a sled down the stairs broke her collarbone Yeah.

[00:05:28] Olivia: We always went in sleeping bags.

[00:05:29] Zach: Actually, it might have been the sle I don't know. I don't remember if it was sleeping bags or a box. Or an actual sled, but whatever it was, it didn't work.

I remember doing a lot of kinds those kinds of things as a kid. Trying to, like, make a blanket work as a parachute.

[00:05:42] Olivia: Mm, mm


[00:05:43] Zach: that move? Not the same technology.

[00:05:46] Olivia: Yeah, I always thought that an umbrella would work.

[00:05:49] Zach: Like in Mary Poppins.

[00:05:51] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:05:51] Victor: 

It wasn't like a, I wasn't like a bold kid when it came to stuff like that. Like I

didn't, I didn't want to like, yeah, I know. It's almost like the personality I have now is connected to the personality I had back then. But, uh, um, yeah, it was like, I don't know. Still like climbing trees. Not really something I'm into.

[00:06:13] Olivia: You're not a heights 

[00:06:14] Victor: kids do it, but not for me.

[00:06:17] Zach: It's weird. I was a little,

[00:06:18] Olivia: you are heights guys.

[00:06:19] Zach: not now. I was a little psycho as a kid.

[00:06:22] Victor: Hmm. 

[00:06:23] Zach: I don't know what happened. The anxiety, I guess.

[00:06:26] Olivia: existential crisis.

[00:06:27] Zach: Yeah. I can't remember if I was talking about it on the Potter, just like with Shelby, but I had like really bad anxiety in second grade and before I kindergarten through second grade, like a Xena thing, reaching a pinnacle in second grade where I missed like most of the year.

Because I was going home sick every day, because I didn't know what a panic attack was. So, I didn't have the language for it, so I was just like, I don't feel good. and they put me in like, you know, sent me to the guidance counselor to get like therapy or whatever. It just went away until I was like 22, and then it came back. So, yeah, in those like middle years, I was a little, you know, like, probably like a normal ish little boy doing, hanging off bridges and doing stupid shit.

[00:07:08] Victor: That's, so it just like, it went away in second grade? Just kind of out of nowhere? Did any, did anything like, or,

[00:07:16] Zach: I don't know, I assume it had to have been chemical. Like the, the chemicals balance out for a little bit. I remember I really liked my third grade teacher. I think she probably helped, like, did a good job, like, creating a comfortable environment for me.

Miss Mulholland, shout out.

[00:07:33] Victor: it's funny to picture, like, that that would, that would be you without anxieties? You'd just be like, doing crazy, you'd be running around and jumping off bridges and doing like,

weird tricks and shit.

[00:07:47] Zach: years old, 

[00:07:47] Victor: Yeah. 

[00:07:49] Zach: Who wants to play King of the Hill?

[00:07:51] Olivia: absolutely met those guys though.

[00:07:55] Zach: I used to have bottle rocket fights with my cousins. We, like, launched fireworks at each other.

[00:08:00] Victor: That's a classic. Yeah, it was never fun. Not once. Never been fun. Never gonna be fun.

[00:08:07] Zach: Not with that attitude.

[00:08:08] Victor: I don't know, maybe the kid will bring out some fun side in me. But probably not.

[00:08:16] Zach: Not that kind of fun. Not 

[00:08:19] Victor: you go, get down from there.

[00:08:20] Zach: injurious fun.

[00:08:22] Olivia: I think you're fun. You're more fun than anyone else I know. I

[00:08:26] Zach: You're biased.

[00:08:27] Olivia: I am, but I like him better than anyone else.

[00:08:32] Victor: Just like me because I'm I do quips.

[00:08:34] Olivia: Yeah, that's fun. That's fun.

There's going to be a period of time where, uh, our kid thinks we're so funny. And then there's going to be a period of time where our kid thinks we're the least funny people in the world.

[00:08:49] Victor: Yeah, it's gonna fall off hard.

[00:08:51] Olivia: I'm hoping that... 

They come 

back around.

[00:08:55] Victor: They keep warning Olivia to expect her kid to really, really hate her guts for like a significant period of time.

[00:09:02] Olivia: Yeah, probably aft you know. Yeah, probably.

[00:09:05] Zach: Well, like, 14...

[00:09:07] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:09:09] Victor: I'm just hoping that I'll have, like, I'll have won them over by 30, you know?

That's my goal.

[00:09:16] Zach: I think my dad's funny now again.

[00:09:17] Victor: That's my, that's my goal.

[00:09:22] Zach: a couple years ago, I heard a joke that reminded me of my dad because it was, you know, a dad joke. And I texted it to him, and he immediately shot back, like, within a minute. He texts it back, Due to the quarantine, I will only be accepting inside jokes. I was like, Ah, snap. Don't try to out dad joke the dad.

[00:09:43] Olivia: He'd been waiting for

[00:09:45] Zach: I know.

[00:09:47] Olivia: Been sitting on that one. Victor had kind of a cute dream last night.

[00:10:07] Zach: Oh, yeah?

[00:10:08] Olivia: I, I, you woke me up telling me that dream. I was asleep and you were like, I had a dream.

[00:10:14] Zach: Heh

[00:10:15] Victor: okay, so I know there was some of this dream that I don't remember. I remember the end of the dream, but like. Me and Olivia had somehow, like, adopted or sheltered a sasquatch

[00:10:30] Zach: heh.

[00:10:30] Victor: that was living out in the yard. And I don't really remember a shelter, but there was definitely like a place that the sasquatch was living. And I remember we had like been, like, farming. We'd been like planting fruits and veggies and growing stuff to feed the sasquatch. And we had it, like, sitting out there. By the Sasquatch, and, then the next thing I know, um, the Sasquatch has, like, cut down most of a tree, and I remember there were, like, long strips, like, it was, like, it was, like, a cut down tree, but in, in my dream it was, like, long, flat boards, like, like, and, or, like, long, like, straight pipes of tree, or whatever, um, and I remember that, They were eating the bark off of the tree.

That's what they wanted off of the off of the wood was to eat the bark and then Like Olivia was like, oh, no, they didn't I think I think it was a she I'll just say she I'll be easier oh, he was like, oh, she didn't like like the the food that we made for her or whatever and I was like, no, no, it's fine. We gotta go to talk to her And we went out there and I remember explaining to the Sasquatch that like, cutting, like we, the tree was gone now, we couldn't keep using the tree, like that wasn't sustainable, but that like, she needed to eat, like, the stuff we were growing for her, and that was gonna be sustainable, and she got it, and she's like, oh, okay. And, uh, then I remember me and Olivia had, like, created, like, a makeshift, like, shaving razor blade. And it was, like, just, like, attached to a wall. I remember we, like, cut some little notches in it or something that made it, like, suitable for shaving. But it was, like, stuck to the wall. So I guess the idea is the Sasquatch was just gonna go up to it and, like, kinda rub their cheek against a blade.

And it would, like... clean shave them. Uh, and then the last thing that happened is I remember trying to make it clear to the Sasquatch that they had to put like this little rubber guard on it on the shaving blade when they weren't using it, otherwise it's just like a, a big razor blade like a big straight razor just like hanging on the side of a wall and i was like that's really dangerous you gotta make sure to cover that up when you're not using it or you might hurt yourself and that was it i woke up and i remember it was very cute the whole thing was very cute and felt very cute when i was in it and when i woke up i was like that was so cute

i don't know so i told olivia about it very cute

[00:13:21] Zach: Does it, like, it was a cute, It was a cute squatch?

[00:13:24] Victor: squatch yeah

[00:13:25] Olivia: This feels like, I mean, this feels so obviously like a parenting dream to

[00:13:31] Zach: Yeah. Have you already looked up Bigfoot?

[00:13:33] Olivia: No, . Is it like about mysteries?


[00:13:38] Zach: I mean, kinda. You can take it that way. Um, I mean, you said Sasquatch, but it just redirects to Bigfoot. To dream of Bigfoot represents shock or surprise that you are seeing something. You may be in disbelief that someone elusive has appeared in your life. It may also reflect situations or news that takes you by complete surprise.

You are metaphorically pinching yourself or having trouble accepting something amazing that has happened. So you could, you could interpret that to be about parenthood if you're, if you're having feelings of like... Holy shit, I'm gonna be a dad. That's amazing.

[00:14:11] Olivia: Yeah, also just like, again, it's so weird for it to be like, this thing that's going to fundamentally change everything. Everything is about to happen. So it's like kind of hard to believe.

[00:14:23] Zach: It could also be about that actual Bigfoot that Victor saw the other day.

[00:14:26] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:14:27] Victor: to park. Could be. Yeah.

[00:14:28] Olivia: I mean, the teaching your kid to shave is like a classic dad. Yeah.

[00:14:32] Zach: Yeah, that's

[00:14:33] Olivia: you know?

[00:14:35] Zach: Yeah, so the kid is the Bigfoot. It's funny, you were talking about its diet. I was just listening to a podcast earlier where they were debating whether or not Bigfoot's a carnivore.

[00:14:44] Victor: Oh, really?

[00:14:45] Olivia: Bigfoot was not a carniv This Wait, so she was eating tree bark?

[00:14:49] Victor: Yes.

[00:14:50] Zach: Slabs of tree. You made it sound

[00:14:52] Olivia: eating the wood or just the bark?

[00:14:54] Victor: think just the bark. I remember it was like the wood looked like clean and kind of manufactured like you'd use in construction and it was like she was like very carefully precisely like cutting the wood, but then it was to get the bark off and eat the bark. I don't know why it's important to me that it was like really clean looking wood, but it wasn't like a pile of branches. It was like, yeah, it was like something you'd build something with.

[00:15:22] Olivia: Which we're currently We have like a little bit of a construction project happening at our house.

[00:15:29] Zach: it a oak tree?

[00:15:30] Victor: I don't know what

kind of tree, I don't know

[00:15:32] Olivia: He doesn't know trees.

[00:15:33] Zach: Oh man, Dream Bible has oak tree, willow tree, acacia tree, apple tree, bonsai tree.

[00:15:39] Olivia: him the difference between cedars and pine trees. Do you Do you remember?

[00:15:44] Victor: I don't know.

[00:15:46] Zach: Cedar, Evergreen, Cherry Blossom, Christmas, Coconut Tree, there's so many trees. Elm 


[00:15:52] Olivia: see the tree once it was cut down?

[00:15:54] Victor: Yeah, I like had an awareness that there was a tree there But I only really paid attention to it when it was like reduced to

[00:16:02] Olivia: Wood.

[00:16:03] Victor: yeah, I guess you

could do stump 

[00:16:06] Zach: Orange Tree, Palm Tree, Pear Tree, Pine Tree, Tree Fort, Tree of Life, Tree Trunk, Tree Hut, well now, now we're drifting away. I'm just like, baffled by,

the people are just like, significantly dreaming about the different types of trees.

[00:16:24] Victor: Let's see in the tree So, trees. To dream of a tree represents an area of your life that is well established or deeply rooted. A situation or problem that is immovable or unchangeable. Something that requires significant effort to alter or remove. Feelings of an established area of your life or roots with people that can always be relied on. Your confidence, faith, or reliance on something. Feelings about protection from parents or family life. A tree can also symbolize a well established area of your life that has become very comfortable. Or that you think will never change. there's stuff about, um, To dream of a tree trunk? I guess it was like, kind of reduced to a trunk?

There's like, still some tree but it was like, or a tree stump I guess. Yeah, there's a stump entry and a dead tree entry. Um, so it was like, enough of this tree had been cut away that I knew the tree was not gonna be able to grow back. And that was a concern for me. I was trying to tell the Sasquatch like, you can't do


You need to eat this. Vegetable, these vegetables instead.

[00:17:30] Zach: but it wasn't chopped down, was it?

[00:17:32] Victor: I mean, no, it kind of looked chopped down. Like, I don't think the Sasquatch had like a saw or an ax or whatever, but like it was effectively chopped down. Does that make sense?

[00:17:48] Zach: that,

[00:17:48] Olivia: it would be kind of like a dead tree, Well, it's interesting that the tree entry is all about like, sturdiness and like, security and the, like, things that, um, you can rely on, won't change without significant effort, and then this, in the, in your dream, like, that happened, 

[00:18:07] Victor: yeah. Yeah, it, uh, it says here, A dead tree represents a change to a stable or well established situation. Either your confidence has been lost or a difficult problem was solved. Feelings about total loss or that some well established aspect of your life is lost. Feelings about a loss of confidence or that your life is ruined. Feelings about a thriving part of your life being lost. And then to dream of a tree stump represents feelings about a significant change or a loss in your life regarding something established that you are learning to live without. The end of a phase, a loss of stability, or the remnants of past experiences that are so rooted in your life.

[00:18:46] Olivia: That all really feels like a dream about. Becoming a parent,

like, entering parenthood.

[00:18:52] Victor: Yeah.

[00:18:53] Zach: yeah, it tracks what the, if the Bigfoot is, you know, the kid.

[00:18:57] Olivia: Yeah, and Bigfoot is the one that did that to the tree.

[00:19:00] Zach: Yeah, like a, well, a deeply rooted, well established way of life, 

[00:19:06] Victor: Yeah. 

[00:19:06] Olivia: And you were 

[00:19:07] Zach: trying to feed on 

[00:19:08] Olivia: is not sustainable!

[00:19:09] Victor: Ha

[00:19:09] Zach: Like, we grew all this fruit for you over here.

[00:19:13] Victor: ha.

[00:19:13] Zach: Yeah, it seems like you're running like a simulation of what it's gonna be like and how to like, I don't know, um, prepare for it, I guess? Like,

[00:19:26] Victor: Yeah, yeah, like, um, if the tree represents, like, things I care about that I'm worried will be disrupted, and the vegetables maybe represent, like, you know, things that me and Olivia are prepared to give,

you know, and ready to give, then maybe I'm feeling like a tension between like, or like a concern of like, well, I know what I'm, what I'm willing to sacrifice and what I'm willing to do. But like, I have an anxiety about the things I'm not willing to give up that maybe are gonna get devoured anyway or whatever.

[00:20:01] Zach: yeah. 

[00:20:02] Olivia: Yeah, and it's like, you hear a lot about like, parenthood, and like, I guess I hear this a lot about childbirth right now, but like, also parenthood. is something that is so wildly out of your control. Like, you cannot control everything about it. You can be prepared for various situations, but you cannot control how they're gonna go.

Like, you can't, you can influence them, you can have like, you can make choices, but like, there are just gonna be things that come up that are like, you weren't prepared for, that you, you couldn't have done anything about, you know? I

[00:20:34] Zach: The food that you had that was supposed to be for the Bigfoot, would you say that was, you were farming it?

[00:20:41] Victor: You could say that. Sure.

[00:20:43] Zach: Cause that,

[00:20:43] Olivia: that is what you

[00:20:44] Zach: that entry is all about, for farm, is all about exactly what you think it would be about. About preparing and, uh, developing, being very focused on maximizing outcomes or end results. and then down here it says, farm symbolism may be common to people raising children, teaching people, or trying to develop a success, successful business.

Thank you.

[00:21:06] Olivia: It sounds like overall it was like a positive dream. Like you,

[00:21:10] Zach: Oh, it's adorable.

[00:21:12] Olivia: about the whole thing.

[00:21:13] Victor: Yeah, yeah, I felt positive about the whole thing and I thought it was a cute dream.

[00:21:18] Olivia: I love that our, our baby is a Sasquatch. That's so funny.

[00:21:22] Zach: I wonder what it means if, if you dream about your baby being other cryptids.

[00:21:26] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:21:27] Zach: you had a chupacabra baby,

[00:21:29] Olivia: Right.

[00:21:30] Zach: chupacrap cobra baby.

[00:21:31] Olivia: That chipper crap cobra baby. But, Victor, you like, you especially like Bigfoot, right? Like you kind of have like, An affinity for Bigfoot.

[00:21:41] Victor: Do I? I


[00:21:42] Olivia: don't know, don't you?

[00:21:43] Victor: Oh, maybe I'm

[00:21:44] Olivia: No, maybe I'm wrong. I feel like you talk about Bigfoot a lot.

[00:21:48] Victor: Okay, so we've been talking about...

[00:21:52] Zach: Olivia, all men talk about Bigfoot a lot.

[00:21:55] Victor: Olivia... Yeah, exactly, yeah. So the last, like, day or whatever, Olivia was, like, yesterday, Olivia was like, How often do you think about the Roman Empire?

[00:22:05] Zach: this tweet.

[00:22:06] Victor: Yeah, right, it's like a thing going around. And I was like, you know, not that much. Every now and then it comes up. It's like relevant sometimes, but pops in my head. Um, which is not as much as it sounds like it is for some people. And then today Olivia was like, I read the girl equivalent is Helen Keller. Women are always thinking about Helen Keller.

[00:22:25] Olivia: Which I, I do think about Hell and Keller probably like maybe like once every other week.

[00:22:31] Zach: That is a lot. That's more than I 

[00:22:32] Victor: feels like a lot, And I was like, I don't think about Helen Keller that much. And I don't know that I think about the Roman Empire that much.

[00:22:41] Zach: I thought,

[00:22:41] Victor: maybe Bigfoot is my thing.

[00:22:43] Zach: when I saw that tweet about the Roman Empire and men thinking about it all the time, The first thing that jumped to my mind was I, I thought that was World War II.

[00:22:51] Victor: Sure,

[00:22:51] Zach: were all thinking about World War II 

all the time. 

[00:22:53] Olivia: World War II?

[00:22:54] Zach: What?

[00:22:54] Olivia: I feel like everyone thinks about World War II,

[00:22:57] Zach: Yeah, yeah, I think about it a lot.

[00:22:58] Victor: That's like one, like, there's like a handful of interests you're allowed to have. Like when you're getting into your 30s like at least there used to be and like World War two was like a big thing For a certain set of guys go deep into the World War two Historical like learning about the battles and everything.

[00:23:17] Zach: Yeah, I was one of those nerds that was into it in like 8th grade.

[00:23:20] Victor: Sure Yeah

[00:23:21] Zach: I really liked history class.

[00:23:22] Victor: No I think it's like I definitely like had a like phase when I was in like when I was like a teenager where I was like real interested in like like ancient Like war stuff like ancient battles and empires and everything and like that kind of goes up through World War two And it feels like World War two's ending is like now you're in the modern era and then it's like, okay This is all just a bunch of bullshit that makes me depressed from

[00:23:50] Zach: Yeah, I was gonna say, the wars get very sad after that. 

[00:23:53] Victor: Yeah, World War two Was great

Nobody's got anything

bad to say about World War


[00:24:00] Zach: World War I? More like World War Fun. Uh, yeah, I don't know why, it was like something about when you got into Vietnam. It felt real. Maybe, maybe because those were our grandparents.

[00:24:12] Victor: Yeah, I think that's kind of the difference is like Knowing people that were that were in it like a I like my my like World War two connection is like my grandmother's dad died in World War two and that had like a big effect on her because like well she grew up without her dad right but like it's that abstract it's like my grandparent lost a lost a parent right it's like pretty far removed versus like you can have an uncle that fought in Vietnam

[00:24:44] Zach: Yeah. And even like culturally, like I grew up listening to music that would have been made when Vietnam was happening. Whereas like culturally, I don't even know what was happening in America in the 40s. Like I don't know what, what songs were charting, what movies were in the theaters. Like I have no finger on the pulse of 1940.

[00:25:02] Olivia: what? The Great Depression 

[00:25:04] Victor: Yeah. I think the main thing happening during world war two was a

World War two. 

[00:25:10] Zach: it was a pretty big deal.

[00:25:11] Victor: Yeah.

[00:25:12] Zach: You think people back then were like, oh my god, I'm so sick of hearing about World War II. all anyone talks about at the grocery store.

[00:25:20] Olivia: probably a little bit.

[00:25:21] Zach: That's what I felt during the pandemic.

[00:25:23] Olivia: Sure.

[00:25:24] Zach: Like, I remember going to, I think it was the grocery store, and like, The clerk said something to me about it being the apocalypse, and I was like, God, I hope it is because I'm so sick of hearing about it. If the world's going to end, would it just do it already? This is the slowest, most painstaking apocalypse.

[00:25:44] Victor: There's this song that, uh, I used to like to open my sets with. Um, but I've had to stop playing it, or I have stopped playing it.

Because, like, yeah, it's, yeah, it's a, it's a strong way to start a set. But, uh, like, in the first couple lines, I say something about, like, a looming pandemic. Specifically, I say something about, like, about like medicine, like modern medicine causing a pandemic?

[00:26:13] Zach: Did you write this before the pandemic?

[00:26:15] Victor: Yes, long

before years before. Yeah. And so now I can't play the fucking song.

[00:26:20] Zach: Do you feel like it comes across as like anti vax? Is that 

[00:26:23] Olivia: Yeah,


[00:26:24] Victor: feels like if you're hearing it in passing, it sounds like an anti vax, like conspiracy theory

[00:26:30] Zach: Oh, that sucks.

[00:26:31] Victor: When I

[00:26:32] Olivia: That's kind of a good, like, thing for conversation between songs, though. You can, you can really start off by telling that story.

[00:26:40] Victor: way, though.

[00:26:42] Zach: No, you can't go and be 

[00:26:43] Olivia: No, you can't 

[00:26:44] Zach: Hi, I'm Victor Simpson. Before I get started, I 

wrote this 

[00:26:46] Victor: I know this sounds like

an anti vax song, but,

[00:26:49] Zach: Hear me 

[00:26:50] Victor: it was

about, I was trying to talk.

about, uh, the thing with, like, how antibiotics, like,

we, like, overuse them, and like, it's, it makes it more likely that we create diseases that can't be fought by antibiotics and it's gonna be a huge fuckin problem. I was trying to write about that, or is like, I had like a couplet that was about that as like an example of... Whatever, you know what I mean? Uh, but, doesn't

Sound like

that in the modern


[00:27:18] Olivia: think we can all agree that the greatest loss over the last couple years of this global pandemic is that Victor can't play that song 

[00:27:27] Victor: It's true, yeah.

[00:27:28] Zach: mean, do you go on to, is that, is that just setting up the idea for like metaphorically in this song? You know what I mean?

[00:27:36] Olivia: Yeah, but people aren't listening.

[00:27:39] Zach: But you could change a couple lyrics, right? If you don't have to change the rest of them.

[00:27:42] Victor: exactly. Yeah, no, I know I need to do that. I just don't know how to do it. And sometimes you hit a weird wall where it's like, The problem is, I do like it. I like how it sounds. And so replacing it is difficult. Um, but yeah. If I can crack that nut, then I can reincorporate it into my set.

[00:28:03] Zach: Yeah, bust that nut.

[00:28:04] Victor: Always be busting.

[00:28:07] Zach: A B B. of cracking things, I feel like that was the most open and shut dream we've ever done.

[00:28:15] Victor: Told you. I told her. And she was like, Well, let's do your dream. And I was like, Yeah, I'm happy to. I don't think there's a lot of meat on those bones. She was like, Nah, nah, it'll be a juicy one. I was like, Open


[00:28:29] Olivia: what I said.

[00:28:30] Zach: And then she was the first one to be like, this is what this is about. And like, knew exactly. Um, but also I had the razor blade, uh, entry pulled up and it, it just plays into what we've been saying, but it's interesting. Uh, To dream of a bare razor blade represents conflict in your life that requires you to be absolutely perfect, feeling that perfect adherence is required, facing a problem where there is no room for mistakes. Which, it makes 

[00:28:57] Victor: that, is how parenthood feels. I mean, thankfully, I am perfect. I'm worried about Olivia, but I am perfect. So we got that covered, at least.

[00:29:06] Zach: your Sasquatch baby will know how to shave.

[00:29:08] Victor: It does make sense. I have like a, I have like bodily harm, anxiety about baby stuff. That's like

the main way that my anxiety's coming in, so it does make sense that the tail end there. I was like, but we gotta be careful. We gotta baby proof

This or you're gonna get injured 

[00:29:26] Zach: this giant razor bolted to the wall,

[00:29:28] Victor: That's right.

[00:29:29] Olivia: I just, I love that the baby is like this huge hairy beast. It's like not something you typically think of as like fragile. It's like out there chopping down 


with its teeth and like,

[00:29:43] Zach: and Victor's like, be careful!

[00:29:46] Olivia: be careful my sweet little angel.

[00:29:48] Victor: I, you know, I do have, I have like the, oh, it's like a sweet, little, innocent, like vulnerable thing that we have to make sure doesn't die or get injured or whatever, but mostly it feels like a fucking hurricane coming to like sweep through our lives

and leave Sasquatch.

[00:30:10] Zach: Yeah. In just a few short years. It will be indestructible and you won't have to worry about the baby hurting itself. You have to be worried about, I don't know, the baby hurting your stuff. I don't know. I don't know what it's like to have a kid. I don't know what the hurricane does when it 

comes through. 

[00:30:25] Olivia: the baby hurting you.

[00:30:27] Zach: Yeah.

[00:30:27] Olivia: Start locking your doors.

[00:30:29] Victor: If it's me or the baby, I think that baby's gonna win.

[00:30:32] Zach: you know, the stream, the stream made me think of Harry and the Henderson.

[00:30:36] Victor: Oh yeah, I've never seen that movie.

[00:30:38] Olivia: We should watch that.

[00:30:39] Victor: I've heard it's good.

[00:30:40] Zach: I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I remember loving it.

[00:30:43] Victor: I did listen to like a good, um, Sasquatch, uh, podcast though. It's pretty fun. I think it's called like, oh man. Lemme try and find the name of it. I think it's like Big Feet

or something like that. 

[00:30:56] Zach: and you, you were like incredulous when Olivia was like, you're a Bigfoot guy. Right?

[00:31:00] Olivia: He is a Bigfoot

[00:31:01] Zach: And you were like, what do you mean

[00:31:03] Olivia: How many times on this podcast have you been like, Can this be a cryptid podcast? When can this be a Bigfoot podcast? You are a Bigfoot

[00:31:11] Zach: today? It 

[00:31:11] Victor: but I, like, Bigfoot's just an example of a cryptid,


[00:31:16] Zach: is the most famous one. It's

[00:31:17] Victor: Who doesn't like

Bigfoot? like on some level.

[00:31:20] Zach: it's like the Michael Jordan of Cryptids.

[00:31:22] Victor: But like, yeah, no, I think it's, I think it's like the Helen Keller thing. It's like, you're not, you're not a fan of Helen Keller. It just comes up a lot.

[00:31:33] Olivia: Oh, she just lives in my brain.

[00:31:36] Victor: Right. Yeah, Bigfoot is like, connected to stuff for me. Part of the wiring in my brain is, is Bigfoot.

[00:31:43] Zach: Yeah. I, I think I've been actively trying not to think about him, or not actively, but like subtly avoiding thinking about Helen Keller since, you know, we did a unit in school about her.

[00:31:54] Victor: Yeah.

[00:31:55] Zach: It just sounds terrifying.

But maybe that's why you think about it all the time.

[00:31:58] Olivia: It's just good perspective. Like, I, like, I'll be experiencing something and I'd be like, but what would this be like if I couldn't hear or see?

[00:32:08] Zach: Yeah, I mean, I don't even know how you would know is what's special about you You know what I mean? Like we just live 

[00:32:15] Olivia: I would have ADHD if I couldn't hear or see.

[00:32:17] Zach: if you just lived in silent darkness. How do you like figure out that? Anything like I don't understand how they got to the point where they were communicating with her

I think this is the second time we've talked about Helen Keller on this

[00:32:35] Olivia: Early days. Episode 5. Pfft.

[00:32:37] Zach: podcast. Should we get into the Roman Empire?

[00:32:40] Victor: I would have it. That's probably like the, the version of hell that I find the most like terrifying.

[00:32:48] Olivia: Roman Empire?

[00:32:49] Victor: Yes. Uh, no, like the, like the idea of just like being kind of cast into darkness with nothing and no one, you know, to just kind of be like, A consciousness without any input, you know for eternity, right? Like that's the that's the

version that's always been scariest to me is just like total Just your mind and nothing

[00:33:12] Zach: Yeah, on our road trip from Denver to LA, Shelby and I were talking about claustrophobia versus agoraphobia. Which, you know, I didn't look it up. Let me look up the definition of agoraphobia real quick, make sure I'm not sounding like an 


[00:33:27] Olivia: to leave the house.

[00:33:29] Zach: Maybe agoraphobia is not what I meant.

[00:33:31] Victor: now, that's fear of house spiders

[00:33:34] Zach: I was afraid, or I was I was referring to like the opposite of claustrophobia basically, the fear of open spaces. I think that's a different phobia, right?

[00:33:42] Olivia: Oh, yeah.

[00:33:43] Zach: Fear of open spaces, not agoraphobia as the first Google. Kenophobia is an intense fear of empty spaces or voids. Um,

but I was talking about how I understand that sometimes, like I get glimpses, like I don't have it, but I get glimpses of like, Oh, this must be what they are feeling. People who, who feel this, like, uh, crossing, a crosswalk where there's like a lot of lanes. And when you, you're stepping out and there's nothing for you to put your hands on and you're just in the middle of where cars belong, you know what I mean?

That's, that like, gives me a little jolt of anxiety sometimes the same way like closed spaces do, uh, and I think, I think if you're an anxious person you have like a predisposition to have any kind of phobia, but um, I think more people can like, you know, tune into and understand and relate to claustrophobia because there's so many more like that's common to like cars, elevators.

There's a lot of like instances where planes were like claustrophobia. can show itself to you, but, uh, in my example was like, like everybody can visualize or has seen in movies or talked about the idea of being buried alive. That's like the ultimate claustrophobia and the reverse example of this kinophobia or whatever would be like being cast into space, like in the movie gravity.

And so you don't think about that very often. But when, when, when people saw that movie, when Sandra Bullock goes flying backwards into space, yeah. That is like, oh fuck, that would be absolutely terrifying, that would be hell, but there's no analog to that here on earth, so you kind of have to have like imaginative anxiety to get there.

[00:35:26] Olivia: I feel that way about, um, deep water. Like, Not so much like being on the surface, but like being underwater and it being like a vast, expansive, like nothingness.

[00:35:38] Zach: Yeah, I mean that 

[00:35:39] Olivia: That

But it's actually worse if I can like see things in the water, like big submerged things. I think there's a word for this too. Oh, okay.

[00:35:49] Zach: might be saying it wrong, but it's spelled like that.

Thalassophobia. It's a specific phobia that involves a persistent, intense fear of deep bodies of water, such as the ocean. I thought it had to do with big objects in the water.

[00:36:00] Olivia: Yeah, I've heard that too, but I don't, I just didn't know what the

[00:36:03] Zach: Oh, that's Megalohydrothalassophobia. The

[00:36:07] Olivia: okay.

That's stupid. 

[00:36:08] Zach: of underwater creatures or objects.

[00:36:10] Victor: They're like a German word for the name of a phobia. Being so stupid it makes you less scared of the thing.

[00:36:17] Zach: Uh, heh heh heh

[00:36:18] Olivia: Yeah, that's how I feel about it now. After hearing that.

[00:36:23] Victor: hydro mega charr


[00:36:26] Victor: phobia, 

[00:36:27] Olivia: dumb. 

[00:36:28] Victor: I'm not scared 

[00:36:28] Olivia: anymore. 

 What, so do we wanna get into another dream? 

[00:37:04] Zach: have one, like, full one, and then I have, like, a impactful one that's probably as easy as Victor's to unpack.

[00:37:12] Olivia: Yeah, we could do that. Also, side note, Um, I think the last dream of mine we did was like the snake dream. And since then I've had two other snake dreams. So I'm like having snake dreams right now, which is

[00:37:25] Zach: You're in your snake 

[00:37:26] Victor: said, you 

[00:37:27] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:37:27] Victor: said Python stuff was coming up for you now. Like the dream we did was a rattlesnake, but you said you were seeing pythons now.

[00:37:35] Olivia: There was one drink. Yeah, there was actually, no, it was, yeah, it was two, two pythons. don't know if that was influenced. Cause like, I think I had these after we did my last one and I had seen that you pulled up a Python entry. I like remembered that, but, um,

[00:37:52] Victor: It says here Python is a high level general purpose programming language. It's designed

philosophy, emphasizing code readability, with the use of significant indentation. So

make of that what? you will. 

[00:38:04] Olivia: Yeah.

Coding joke for all you nerds out there.

[00:38:09] Victor: That's what it's out there. To dream of that constrict or squeeze you slowly. Yeah,

[00:38:17] Olivia: Yeah. Yeah, I think I read, I read this entry earlier and I'm not, I think we should, I don't know if we want to, if we have like time to get into all the snake content that I have, but I just thought I would bring it up because it's just, it's interesting that that sometimes that'll happen. There was like a period of time where I was having like persistent bear dreams and yeah, I don't know that that happens periodically.

And so, yeah, you're right, I'm in my snake era right now.

[00:38:47] Victor: We'll have, we should have like an animal corner for Olivia or she can just talk about like the, the main animal she's seeing in her dreams and we can dig into that and next week we'll do pythons and we'll have a live Python on for all you listeners.

[00:39:01] Olivia: I gotta go get a Python now.

[00:39:04] Zach: Sorry, what? I was trying to make a Python joke.

[00:39:08] Victor: Oh,

[00:39:10] Zach: And it turns out I was trying to make an anaconda joke.

[00:39:13] Olivia: Oh, well let's hear it.

[00:39:15] Zach: I was just gonna say, pythons also mean that, uh, you don't wanna, you don't want none if they don't got buns on.

[00:39:21] Victor: Uh,

[00:39:22] Olivia: Uh, 

[00:39:22] Zach: an anaconda. I was trying to balance out the nerd joke with the, with the, with the dumb joke.

[00:39:27] Olivia: yeah, it's too bad.

[00:39:29] Zach: Do you have any anaconda dreams?

[00:39:31] Olivia: No, no anacondas.

Yeah, do we want to do your supposedly open and shut

[00:39:39] Zach: Sure, yeah. Supposedly. I mean it's really short. I don't even remember. If there's not a lot of context or, or story that I remember, uh, I just remember being at a cafe and then, you okay?

[00:39:52] Olivia: butt's asleep.

[00:39:54] Zach: Oh, okay. That, that'll happen.

[00:39:56] Olivia: I'm listening. Just 

don't mind me. 

[00:39:58] Victor: a cushion for floor sitting next


[00:40:01] Olivia: I need to let the blood return to my cheeks.

[00:40:05] Zach: Um, yeah, I was at a cafe, like on a outdoor patio thing and, and off in the distance, like on an, it looked like it was on an island kind of, or, or maybe it is, it was New York City. Is New York City on an island? Part of it is, right? 

Manhattan or whatever. 

[00:40:21] Olivia: an island.

[00:40:22] Zach: Um, and it was the New York city skyline and it got nuked and I was, you know, far enough away that I didn't feel like it was gonna, I wasn't, I was going to be okay.

Like I wasn't going to be in the blast radius, but it was like several atomic bombs. And the last, the last one, like culminated in this like tower of fire. and it just like, it was really detailed and really epic. and really scary and really like, I remember feeling very defeated. and it stood out to me because I've had like a couple of, I, I've had a couple of other like nuclear Holocaust dreams in the past.

Um, but not in a long time and they're all, they're always like that where they're very visually impactful, and memorable and, and, and like detailed feeling. Um, I think anytime I dream of something like bit large scale, like a Godzilla sized monster or like an alien invasion, anything like that, it always sticks with me.

and it's kind of cool in a way, like visually the way my brain. Can paint a picture like that, but in the moment it's, it was not fun.

[00:41:20] Olivia: So, uh, Oh,

[00:41:23] Zach: I'm not sure what it was about, but it's just so, it's just so short that I feel like it's solvable.

[00:41:29] Victor: So you just remember being like, were you in the city?

[00:41:32] Zach: No, I was across a big body of water from it.

[00:41:35] Victor: Okay, and you were looking out at the city. And then

you saw a nuke fall onto the city.

[00:41:40] Olivia: a cafe.

[00:41:42] Zach: I was sitting in a cafe

[00:41:43] Victor: Oh,

[00:41:44] Zach: and there were several bombs that were like three or four mushroom clouds,

[00:41:47] Victor: Gotcha.

[00:41:48] Olivia: How did you feel? Scared. But, you felt scared but like, safe where you were?

[00:41:53] Zach: uh, safe from these blasts. Yeah. But I also, I remember turning to someone to like express fear or awe or whatever. And all that like came out was like, Like I, I, when I expressed to this person, I was just like, like, yeah, I'm done. We're done. It's 


[00:42:11] Victor: Do you want to just start the, uh, the nuclear bomb and get into the headspace of, of the nuke as it fell?

[00:42:19] Zach: If that is a character, it would be the most impactful one. Yeah, but I don't know how to do that. I guess we did all symbolism on your dream, so we could take 

it. We could take a different route this time.

[00:42:30] Victor: Oh, I mean, I mean, if, if you're interested in doing that, you're welcome. I, I was kidding, but, uh,

yeah, if you want to do that.

[00:42:37] Zach: well, there's only one symbol, really. Maybe two if you count Cafe.

[00:42:41] Victor: Yeah, I've got New York,

Nuclear War, Nuclear Bomb, Cafe, and Defeat.

[00:42:47] Zach: Yeah, it was interesting that it was. Explicitly New York in my head. Cause I have very little relationship with that city.

[00:42:53] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:42:54] Victor: Yeah, let's run through them. Um, so to dream of New York represents social interaction with others. Or you notice that you are better than other people in some way.

[00:43:03] Zach: Look in New 

[00:43:04] Olivia: course that's what New York means.

[00:43:06] Victor: really feels correct. You may notice that you are richer, smarter, luckier, or more mature than other

[00:43:12] Olivia: Oh my God.

[00:43:13] Victor: Negatively, New York City may reflect social interactions with other people that enjoys arrogantly talking down to others or talking to people like you are better than them. Arrogantly speaking to others with the assumption that you are better. Talking to others like you are too busy to deal with their problems or be patient with others.

Arrogantly talking to others like you are a specialist. Does that

[00:43:36] Zach: Donk after donk on New York. if we have any New York listeners, these, the dream Bible was compiled through surveys, so

[00:43:44] Olivia: Yeah.

You can't argue with 

[00:43:45] Victor: It's

not how you are it's how you make other people feel

[00:43:49] Zach: yeah. Hey, I'm dreaming here.

[00:43:51] Victor: All right, uh nuclear war dream of a nuclear war represents feelings about conflict that risks total devastation of relationship Conflict where both sides may risk totally wiping each other out completely. Feeling that you are fighting against a problem that risks all that you care about. Risking everything you have to keep everything you have. A nuclear bomb to dream of a nuclear bomb represents a event or life situation that devastates you or sacrifices everything you thought or believed in. Usually to negative thoughts or emotions. A nuclear bomb suggests a dramatic change of events, views, or feelings, often bringing feelings of a helplessness and loss of control over a situation.

Something you thought was important may have ended. To dream of a nuclear bomb that hasn't gone off, well that wasn't this situation. Um, yeah, any thoughts on nukes?

[00:44:44] Zach: Yeah. What that brought up was, before we started recording, I was. Talking about some money stress

[00:44:49] Victor: Mmm,

[00:44:51] Zach: and, uh, you know, cause we just moved Shelby out here and she's actively job hunting, but you know, it's tight right now. Um, and we're both a little freaked out. so I mean, that's, that's what it brought up for me is there's something in there about like financial ruin, not that like, I feel like I'm actually on the precipice of that, but you know, if I were to exaggerate my stress to like,

[00:45:14] Olivia: Did it say financial ruin?

[00:45:16] Zach: so it gave that as an example, I think.

In like the first paragraph, maybe?

[00:45:22] Victor: uh, devastates you or sacrifices everything you thought you believed in. There are some examples of like, Death of a family member, being fired from a job, a huge embarrassment, breaking up with someone, or a big disappointment.

[00:45:34] Zach: that's why none of it, like, totally resignates. Resignates? Resonates! Because it's like, It's just, it's all like, pragmatic stress on the way to like, something we're excited about. 

[00:45:44] Victor: Yeah, the New York connection, because those are the two big symbols, right? It's like the New York thing is like something social, um, which maybe is like, you know, relationships are very social, right? So like, this is people stuff you're dealing with, like, that you guys are now living together or whatever.

But I, it honestly made me think more about like social anxiety when I was listening to it. But that may not be real reflective of where you're at, like, right now, you know?

[00:46:16] Zach: yeah.

[00:46:16] Victor: To dream of a cafe reflects your mindset feeling good while you wait for something to happen. Okay, so that could be like,

[00:46:23] Zach: tracks more than anything so far.

[00:46:25] Victor: it may also reflect enjoyment talking about something you really like that's being taken care of for you. You may be happy to be patient for something, feeling good knowing that what you want is about to happen, positive social interactions while being catered to. And, um, to feed. Your dream of defeat represents a sense of loss or disappointment, feeling beaten, difficulty accepting something that you don't like, suffering under terrible conditions, feeling like a failure or that you couldn't meet higher standards, feeling about to accept that a relationship is over, feeling overcome that you can't put up with something or that a challenge was too much for you. It's just describing defeat. It sounds like

[00:47:06] Zach: I'm trying to think outside the box here, cause obviously the big thing in my life happening is having moved Shelby here and all the next steps were very focused on in terms of, moving out of my current apartment and into a new one, getting her job situation stabilized, yada That's everything big going on, but I don't know how to apply it.

The cafe stuff made sense.

[00:47:25] Victor: Yeah, I mean, if the cat, I mean, it makes sense to me, like, the New York stuff is like, maybe New York is like, you know, it's social, right? So maybe it's like, being in the city, and all dealing with the work and the people and blah blah blah, it's like life, right? Life. Um, and then... The cafe is like, right now, you are, like, things are good, you're waiting for something to happen that you don't really have any control over, which is Shelby finding another job.

[00:47:57] Olivia: That it kind of seems like in this dream, the anxiety, the thing that you're waiting for in this dream is the nuclear bombs though, right? Like, and that could reflect like anxiety that you have about the ways in which like, you know, the, the, even if it's like pragmatic stuff, you know, just like the things that you're concerned about not going the way that you want them to right now or that could, cause you guys stress in this.

Time you're kind of in a time of uncertainty right now, but like, isn't that the cafe entry is about like, waiting for something and enjoy. Is it about enjoying waiting for

[00:48:35] Zach: Yeah, feeling good.

[00:48:36] Victor: Yeah, yeah, it's like enjoying and taking enjoyment while you wait for something, that's being taken care of for you.

[00:48:43] Olivia: Okay. I see.

[00:48:44] Victor: Being happy to patiently wait for something, um, yeah, which this is kind of out of your already doing everything you can't be doing,

right? Which is scary when it feels like, like, you know, everything could blow up or whatever.

Because it sounds like you're under a lot of stress, right? Um, yeah, that's a really, that's a really tough position to be in. That would drive me crazy. To feel like, well, the stakes are really high, what can I do? Kinda nothing, you know? That, that's not a good, like, place to be.

[00:49:17] Olivia: at the same time, you're like, in a. Good place because, you know, you were what you were looking forward to was having Shelby there and that is. Happened, you know, so now you're in a place where you're like. You're in a good place and you're waiting and there's anxiety. Yeah, you know, that does that dream does kind of seem like a reflection of like, just the anxiety of being in that place of like, of waiting, even though you're in, you're now like with your person and you get to enjoy that.

[00:49:48] Victor: Yeah, like everything you guys have been talking about and preparing for leading up to this is happening, right? So all the good stuff is happening, but then also all the stuff you're worried about is like, you know, kind of

closer than it's ever been. So it's like,

just has to get sorted.

[00:50:05] Zach: I'm wondering if maybe the, you know, the severity of the atomic bomb and the implications of what New York means symbolically could have to do with like a fear now that this is happening, but like a fear of, this transition, because I've been single for like a minute now, like a few years.

and so it's like, yeah, it's a big transition to go from that to this is my person and we're going to move in together. It's a big lifestyle change. and money's a stressor and for a while now I've been able to just like get by on like 30. Worth of grocery money a week, eating the same meal every night.

Like just like really live in bare bones in order to pursue, you know, creative career stuff. And now I'm looking at like real adult responsibilities. that come along with having a, a serious partner. And maybe there's a part of me that's worried that like, if New York represents like this highfalutin sort of like big economy, you know, where it all happens sort of like attitude.

And I'm seeing that get blown up. Maybe that's what I'm worried about is that like, I'm gonna have to fucking fall back on a plan B or something to pay the bills, and give up on my dreams or whatever. I'm not saying that that's a thing. Especially not an imminent thing, but it could be a fear now that we're hashing this out.

[00:51:24] Victor: Yeah, and like that, that's a fear is a valid fear. Right. But, um, I, I think, you know, there's no reason to jump to that, you know? There's a lot of good that can come from, like, kind of staying on the path you're on, right?

[00:51:41] Zach: Oh no, realistically having a teammate, in life opens up more doors than it closes.

[00:51:46] Victor: Sure. Yeah.

[00:51:47] Zach: But if I'm breaking, you know, breaking down this dream and like thinking about its constituent parts individually, that might be a subconscious fear that I've lived with even before I started talking to Shelby again.

 Might have been part of the reason I was single. I might have thought that like I had to be, you know?

[00:52:01] Olivia: yeah,

[00:52:01] Victor: Yeah. And like, um, digging into the New York thing, like, like you're, like you're saying, like, um, you know, feeling like you have to, like, Operate on like a real budget and like you're trying hard to break into something and you can't quite break into it or whatever It's like, you know, it it it can feel like there's this world that is like Excluding you or like looking down on you in some way when it's really just doing its own thing, you know But like, uh, because you haven't like broken into it yet, it feels like, you know, it's a, like a value judgment upon you or whatever, right?

So it's like the podcasting thing or like the artistic stuff. It's like you have the skill set, you know, you have the skill set, you know that you can do work at a level or better than people that are doing it professionally, but because you haven't cracked it, it, feels like. Oh, I'm not good enough or they don't think I'm good enough or whatever, you know, it can feel that way until you've like Until you've found your way in, you know

[00:53:06] Zach: Yeah. Alternatively, it could even be like a, uh, less of a fear simulation, more of a fantasy simulation. There might be part of me, if I'm being honest with myself, that wanted to blow up New York in my dream, metaphorically, cause I do, I do find myself like when I get frustrated about making, you know, headway in these realms, I, I find myself fantasizing about pulling a JD and just like moving.

To the countryside and making music just for fun and like working as a carpenter or whatever. Some trade just to anonymously get by and just just it fucking enjoy life and

Not worry about any kind of like that's a fantasy that I have sometimes, you know

So that could be with them what the bomb was to on some level

[00:53:52] Victor: Yeah

[00:53:53] Zach: some kind of rejection of these like Pressures that I put myself under. 

[00:53:58] Victor: Yeah, I feel I feel like I have that same kind of thing where it's like I I have my my mind set on something and To do anything else kind of feels like a failure, but then like sometimes your fallback plans actually sound like Success, you know like Like what you just described sounds kind of great, right?

[00:54:18] Zach: hmm.

[00:54:19] Victor: Stable job and doing the artistic stuff you love doing and like there's not there's nothing about that That's worse than what you're trying to do or what you're doing, you know But it still feels like because you're changing course or changing what your priorities are or whatever it feels like a failure or giving up in some way even though it's just Fully a different path.

[00:54:38] Olivia: there could be like some sunk cost fallacy at play with that kind of thing. Right?

[00:54:43] Zach: Yeah.

[00:54:43] Olivia: Like 

[00:54:45] Victor: If you're real invested into carpentry up till now, and then you're like, fuck this, I'm here to go into podcasting. That's where, that's where the money is.

[00:54:53] Zach: Yeah now there. Yeah, there is when I like indulge like the plan B fantasies a lot of the times it is like Like the idea of like moving to like a small market and getting like, you know, trade certified to do something that's high paying. And then you started thinking about like, well, with that much money in a place like South Carolina, like I could have enough land to have goats and like the fantasy starts getting like, Oh shit, this is kind of cool actually.

[00:55:21] Victor: Yeah.

[00:55:21] Zach: maybe, you know, maybe the shit that was important to me in my early twenties isn't that important. and. Yeah, it has just become, on some level, a sunken cost thing, like you said, Olivia.

[00:55:33] Victor: Well, what, what is it about like the path that you're on? Like, what's the end game of, of like what you're doing and where are you trying to get to?

[00:55:42] Zach: Uh, just to make enough money to live doing something that, like, doesn't feel like work. Where, like, all, my main goal is just to enjoy my days.

[00:55:52] Victor: Right.

[00:55:53] Zach: don't want to go to work and, like, be, like, waiting to get home, sit, like, counting minutes on the clock, just, like, dreading work. Like, I just...

[00:56:01] Victor: Yeah,

[00:56:02] Zach: it doesn't feel like how life is supposed to go.

Like we only get so much time. It feels like a real

bunch of bullshit to not enjoy eight hours of every day. Um,

[00:56:13] Victor: Yeah.

[00:56:14] Zach: so yeah, I'm not trying to necessarily make a big splash or, or be well regarded in any. So that used to be my goal as a younger person was to not even be famous, but just well regarded within a community, um, for my talents or whatever. And these days it's more like, I just want to like enjoy being alive a hundred percent of the time.

[00:56:33] Olivia: well, no one does that.

[00:56:35] Zach: Well,

[00:56:36] Victor: can get pretty close.

[00:56:37] Zach: yeah, excluding like migraines and diarrhea, but maybe 98 percent of the time I want to enjoy being alive

minus the ailments that come with having a body.

[00:56:48] Victor: Yeah, no, I mean, that to me sounds like your priorities are, are like right in the right place, you know? Cause that is, that's not like, Oh, I want to do this for like, you know, external validation or whatever. You're just trying to enjoy your life, you know?

[00:57:05] Zach: Yeah. External validation would be cool, but also I just know that I love audio and podcasts and recording and when I'm doing it, I don't feel like I'm working. So that would be a great thing to do for a living. And I have no other marketable skillset.

[00:57:51] Zach: How you feelin down there on the floor, Olivia?

[00:57:54] Olivia: Physically or,

[00:57:56] Zach: Overall. In general.

[00:57:59] Olivia: uh, yeah, you know,

[00:58:01] Victor: You surviving?

[00:58:02] Olivia: my body's not my own.

[00:58:06] Victor: Here's a vessel for a Sasquatch.

[00:58:09] Zach: By the way, I really thought this would be a funny bit, but no one's called me out on it. I have two of the exact same beverage here, but one's big and one's little. Uh,

[00:58:19] Olivia:


[00:58:19] Victor: too subtle for 

[00:58:20] Zach: been alt, I've been alternating, and I've, I was, I was gonna gaslight you guys, and as soon as somebody said something, I'd be like, no.

It's just, I just have one.

[00:58:30] Victor: And then you bring out the big one the next time,

[00:58:32] Zach: I've been doing this fun bit with, with Shelby, where I blame my farts on her, and I call it gaslighting.

[00:58:39] Victor: That's what makes a relationship strong. That kind of shit.

[00:58:43] Zach: fart bits. Yeah. Chicks love 'em.

[00:58:47] Victor: They do.

[00:58:48] Olivia: You know, some people are, like, include farts in their relationship, and some people don't.

[00:58:53] Zach: Uh, yeah. Where do, where do you guys fall?

[00:58:55] Olivia: We don't, we're not fart people.

[00:58:57] Victor: We're not really, yeah, we're not like fart in front of each other people, but like we deal with farts, like there's a

lot of, We 

[00:59:03] Olivia: fart.

[00:59:04] Victor: Yeah, we fart. The dogs fart.

Everybody farts.

[00:59:08] Zach: have bodies. That's no, you know, you don't, that is secret.

[00:59:13] Olivia: We're not, like, ripping ass in front of each other, though.

[00:59:16] Victor: yeah. I'm never like trying to make it Olivia's problem, you know? If I can, if I can step outta the room, I will.

[00:59:24] Zach: Yeah, that's why I turn it into a bit. I'm trying to, instead of making her problem, I try to make it her entertainment.

[00:59:30] Olivia: That's the thing, is like, when you're working with a small space. There's only so much you can do.

[00:59:35] Victor: true, that's true.

[00:59:37] Zach: Yeah, I mean, you gotta, if it's, the smelly ones are never funny. They have to be noise based bits.

[00:59:46] Olivia: Yeah, but you, how do you know if it's going to be smelly or not?

[00:59:49] Zach: Well, you, you go to the other room for the first couple.

[00:59:52] Olivia: Check them

[00:59:54] Zach: Do some testers. Some test runs. 

[00:59:57] Olivia: Uh, we haven't mentioned this on the podcast, but Victor's album came out.

[01:00:01] Victor: Oh yeah, my album came out a little while ago. It's

[01:00:04] Olivia: We should tell people where they can find your album.

[01:00:07] Victor: I released an album called Tame. It's on Spotify and Bandcamp. The band name is Deesser, which is D E E S S E R. Um, look for a girl in a dress with a bear head, the recent album, the album art is a jackalope that Olivia illustrated.

[01:00:28] Zach: Oh, that was you. Nice.

[01:00:29] Victor: yeah, she's good, she's pretty good.

[01:00:31] Olivia: is all right.

[01:00:34] Victor: But that's tame. Um, and deesser, D E E S S E R.

[01:00:41] Zach: It's good.

You have a very pretty voice.

[01:00:43] Victor: That's sweet.

[01:00:45] Olivia: So pretty.

[01:00:46] Victor: And Olivia did a fair number of harmonies on it. Um, so if you want to hear Olivia singing, then listen to some of the songs on the album.

[01:00:56] Olivia: They've heard all of us sing. If they've listened to this podcast, 

[01:00:59] Victor: That's true, 

[01:01:00] Olivia: I don't know if they know that.

[01:01:02] Zach: Yeah, the two of you on the intro and me on the outro.

[01:01:05] Olivia: Yeah.

[01:01:05] Zach: Did you mix it totally solo bolo? Or did you let Olivia hear her harmonies in the mix before the final product?

[01:01:13] Victor: there, there was like some wrestling where like I would do my mix and then she would be like, No, I don't want it to sound like that. Let me re let me try it again. Let me do blah blah blah. And then I would like wrestle it away from her and be like, No, leave it alone. We're, we're, we're doing this. and landed on something ultimately that worked, I hope for both of us, but

[01:01:38] Olivia: It's fine. Usually he wanted to make me louder than I

[01:01:42] Zach: That's what I was gonna guess.

[01:01:44] Victor: yeah. That was the, that was the fight.

[01:01:46] Olivia: And we fought like hell.

[01:01:48] Victor: Yeah. Almost ended our marriage, we're here today.

[01:01:52] Zach: Make it all worth it and go listen to Tame.

[01:01:56] Victor: holding on. Yeah.


[01:01:59] Zach: Thank you for listening to the Jung and the Restless. Don't

[01:02:02] Olivia: You can follow us on social media at TheJungAndTheRestlessPod and submit your dreams for interpretation to TheJungAndTheRestlessPod at gmail.

[01:02:13] Victor: as we always say,


[01:02:14] Zach: sass the Squatch!


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