40. Big, Loose, Candy Sack

Oliva scares Zach into drinking Gatorade instead of water. Victor has stopped dreaming altogether, except for the occasional stroll through…...

Oliva scares Zach into drinking Gatorade instead of water. Victor has stopped dreaming altogether, except for the occasional stroll through a shopping mall. Olivia, on the other hand, is both vividly writing and reading books in her wild pregnancy dreams. In this episode’s dream, she makes a series of gaffs on a frivolous quest that lead to damaging Victor’s car. Zach likes to buy his friends their favorite candy.  

00:00 intro

00:30 water toxicity

05:40 Victor has stopped dreaming 08:58 reading dreams 17:13 pregnancy dreams 19:03 oh wait, Victor had a dream 21:16 kids these days 29:26 Victor is an elf 30:10 Olivia's dream 38:24 the candy sack 1:04:03 outro

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Dream Bible entries used in this episode:

Reading: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=reading

Candy: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=candy

Skittles: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=skittles

Driving: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=driving

Cars: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=Cars

Gas Station: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=gas+station

Cashier: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=cashier

Blackout: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=blackout

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Episode Transcript

40. Big, Loose Candy Sack

[00:00:00] Zach: Welcome to the Jung and the Restless. I'm Zach. I'm Olivia. 

[00:00:04] Victor: And I'm Victor. And this is the podcast that Skittles the rules.

[00:00:30] Olivia: I hear about that woman who died from drinking like two bottles of water. 

[00:00:35] Victor: That was like four bottles of water. 

[00:00:37] Olivia: It was the equivalent of four small bottles of water, like two large. Anyway, she got water poisoning. 

[00:00:44] Zach: So, um, two or four, that seems like a normal amount of water. 

[00:00:50] Olivia: Yeah, and it was with within 20 minutes.


[00:00:55] Zach: Water poisoning? Is that the term for it? Yeah, 

[00:00:59] Olivia: water toxicity, I think. Mm 

[00:01:02] Zach: hmm. Drowning? 

[00:01:03] Olivia: No, cuz it like it Like fucks with the salt content in your body and makes your brain swell and like kills you. It's scary. Is that 

[00:01:14] Zach: the same thing as when, uh, the term waterlogged? Or is that just something we said in where I 


[00:01:20] Victor: up?

No, waterlogged is a thing, but it's like something that's been like in water, like sitting in water. It's like water in it and weighing it down. We have that too, 

[00:01:30] Zach: but I also, I remember like as a kid, other kids saying, Oh, don't drink too much water. You'll get waterlogged. 

[00:01:38] Olivia: Oh, maybe that's, I haven't heard of it, heard of that term being used that way.


[00:01:44] Zach: It was probably just a backwoods Northern Maine thing, just like a reappropriation of an existing word. 

[00:01:49] Olivia: Yeah, but they're probably talking about water toxicity. Yeah. You 

[00:01:53] Zach: know what? Was she in a water drinking contest? Why did she do that? And she was 

[00:01:57] Olivia: just thirsty. 

[00:01:58] Victor: It was hot. Yeah, it was the 4th of July, she was 35, and um, she was boating and then felt severely dehydrated and then drank four bottles of water in less than 30 minutes, and it caused her brain to swell up to the point that her blood supply was lost in her brain.

And that, uh, killed her. Man, 

[00:02:21] Zach: that's so sad. Did the heat have anything to do with it? I feel like I could easily take down... Are these like 12 ounce bottles? Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I could easily drink four of those in... You can't. In 20 minutes. 

[00:02:33] Victor: Yeah, I guess she drank half a gallon in like 20 minutes, which is too much.

Half a gallon. 

[00:02:40] Zach: I don't know. I've definitely taken 

[00:02:41] Olivia: out... But it's like if, if, if you drank it like, if you drank like Gatorades that fast, it wouldn't be the same problem. Like you have to drink. Like if you're drinking something that actually replaces your electrolytes, not to tell you that you should drink, you should just drink Gatorade instead.

That's what I was seeing 

[00:02:59] Victor: actually. That's what you were seeing? 

[00:03:01] Zach: Yeah. Nobody go out and field test any of this. Yeah. I've definitely woken up thirsty and like drank two pints of water, like two pint glasses back to back in like less than five minutes. Yeah, I've done that. 

[00:03:16] Olivia: So that must be 

[00:03:18] Zach: a safe amount 32 ounces.

That's like getting close to what she did but maybe like waking up from a eight hour sleep where you haven't been drinking and in the like Temperature control of your house is different than being on a boat in July in the heat 

[00:03:35] Olivia: I don't think it has to do with heat. I've heard of this happening to people in other situations Yeah, 

[00:03:41] Victor: but like, I don't know, this, I mean, maybe it was just how quickly she drank it, but like, it feels like you should be able to drink a half gallon of water, right?

[00:03:50] Olivia: It feels like it, which is why it's so, that's why I brought it up, because it seems crazy, right? Yeah, I feel like there had to be 

[00:03:57] Zach: Water can kill you? I mean, it's a holiday, was she drinking? Like, I don't know if that, like, alcohol, I mean. No, it's 

[00:04:03] Olivia: fully a water thing, like, this is a, this is fully just a water toxicity problem.

Like, uh, that I've heard of this before. Like there was a woman who was in a water drinking contest was like for like a radio show and like drank a gallon of water. That's a lot. And like, yeah, but I mean, it wasn't and it was in like 45 minutes or 

[00:04:23] Zach: something, but every time I've ever heard of like this kind of thing happening with just water, there were other things involved, like other extenuating circumstances that were hard on the body.

Like, I know this happens at raves all the time, because ecstasy makes you, like, hella thirsty. And then people Yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't heard that. People drink way I mean, I Way too much water at a rave. They also charge, like, 20 bucks a bottle. Yeah, 

[00:04:48] Victor: that's how they get you. Yeah. 

[00:04:50] Zach: Sell you cheap I like Cheap E and then expensive H2O.


[00:04:54] Olivia: drink your water, but drink it slowly. 

[00:04:59] Zach: And preferably, just make a Gatorade. 

[00:05:03] Olivia: Moral of the story is don't drink water, drink Gatorade. 

[00:05:06] Zach: Gatorade. It's got electrolytes. It's got what plants crave. This 

[00:05:11] Olivia: podcast is brought to you by Gatorade. 

[00:05:14] Victor: I don't think, I don't think Olivia's seen that movie. What?

[00:05:17] Zach: Idiocracy? You haven't seen Idiocracy? 

[00:05:19] Victor: That sounds, I think I have. 

[00:05:21] Olivia: Have you? I don't, if I have I don't remember it, but that's because I don't remember movies. Oh yeah. I think I've seen Idiocracy. 

[00:05:30] Zach: Well, if you have and you forgot it, I'm jealous. Cause that means you get to watch it like brand new twice in the same lifetime.

[00:05:38] Olivia: Let's do it. All right. So Victor has just stopped dreaming for some 

[00:05:43] Victor: reason. Stopped thinking too . It's all empty up there. 

[00:05:48] Zach: No more brain pictures or words? 

[00:05:52] Olivia: Definitely words. 

[00:05:54] Victor: Oh yeah. Full of words. Just words. . But they don't mean anything. 

[00:05:58] Zach: They're all words. Like regardless. . I wonder if you can, like I, we've talked about like, uh, you know, the mind's eye before and how some people have like more.

Visual imagination than others. Uh, and I think I mentioned that I have a buddy who claims that he has no visual imagination. Like he can't, he only thinks in words and can't picture. Do you think some people dream like in monologue, like they just dream words like they. Think audio but with no picture and then maybe we don't hear about that because it's just harder to remember that.

[00:06:34] Olivia: Well, we we talked about this before like Hypothesizing if people who have less visual imagination dream less or whatever But it seems like not it seems like that's a different thing, but that may be I don't know Maybe if you have more of a visual imagination your dreams are more visually fantastical sometimes 

[00:06:58] Victor: I guess I saw again recently, like there's some, there's some researcher that thinks like 30 to 50 percent of people don't have an internal monologue.

And I heard that don't understand how you read because when I read, I'm reading it to myself in my head with my internal monologue voice. So like, what is reading like if you don't have that? 

[00:07:23] Zach: I don't know. Yeah. Cause yeah, when I read my, sometimes it could be like a variety of voices. You know, I mean, like, depending on the writing style, I might hear, like, a certain type of voice.

Sure. Yeah. Especially for, I tend to picture people as the characters, like, either actors or people from my life that the characters remind me of, and then they'll have that person's voice during the dialogue. See, 

[00:07:47] Olivia: mine is just my voice doing The whole, everything. Yeah, but doing other people's voices, 

[00:07:53] Victor: like See, I'm usually not good at voices.

I don't need to do voices in my own head. It's just my own voice. It's just my voice. Yeah, 

[00:08:01] Olivia: I'm like it. I'm like an audiobook narrator.

[00:08:07] Victor: Sorry, Mrs. Johnson. Zach's fully got like a cast. He's got like guest stars and stuff in his reading 

[00:08:15] Zach: brain. Yeah, I'm a pretty slow reader probably for that reason. 

[00:08:18] Olivia: But I can also speed up and slow down my reading. Like, I'll sometimes notice I'm reading and I'm like, Oh, I'm reading kind of slow and then I'll just start reading way faster.

Like, I have a little bit of speed control. Yeah. 

[00:08:31] Victor: I can read like a little bit faster, but I can't read faster than I could say something with my mouth. Yeah, that's kind of how I to be, I have to say it to myself in my 

[00:08:42] Zach: head. I can read faster than that, but I don't enjoy it. That's like how I would read, you know, the instruction manual to the refrigerator or something when I'm just trying to glean information.

But if I'm trying to enjoy the book, I have to go at the speed that I would read it out 

[00:08:58] Olivia: loud. I wonder what it means that I've been reading. In dreams a lot lately, 

[00:09:04] Zach: right? We're like, and as Victor pointed out last time you said this, that means you're also writing in dreams. 

[00:09:10] Olivia: That's true. But like the experience, like, I wonder if there's a reading dream Bible entry because I've just been reading a lot.

[00:09:19] Zach: His entire dreams of sitting there reading a book, whole chapters. 

[00:09:24] Victor: Reading. To dream of reading a book means your brain is irreversibly broken. There's something deeply wrong with you. No one can help you now. See, Victor 

[00:09:35] Olivia: keeps telling me this and I'm not surprised. 

[00:09:39] Victor: To dream of reading a book represents ideas, insights, or answers to problems you are considering.

Telling yourself what to do to follow an expert advice. Uh, considering all options, an open minded attitude to new ideas, reading may also reflect your own experience, that you are falling back on to, that you are falling back on to deal with a new situation or problem. Negatively, reading may be a sign that you have badly preconceived ideas about how to act under certain conditions due to past experiences.

Telling yourself to think or act in certain ways to new problems based on old or outdated methods Controlling yourself or using bad habits for no other reason except because it works blindly following bad ideas but like I feel like the Like it's one thing to like read in your dreams Where it's like you look at a thing and it's garbled but you like get information out of it or something You know, it's like where there's like weird stuff that happens that like kind of like smooths out your your experience you know Olivia's like literally like seeing Sentences on a page and reading the sentences and it would be equally 

[00:10:56] Zach: coherent in real 

[00:10:57] Victor: life 

[00:10:58] Olivia: I think it's because we like talked about it.

We've talked about it enough. There was one time where we were talking about how it's like really difficult to read in a dream and it's really difficult to look at a phone in a dream. And then like the next night I had a dream where I was like on a scavenger hunt. And at one point I found, I found a clue that was like a piece of paper that when you looked at it, it didn't make sense, but the trick was that I had to take a picture of it with one cell phone and then look at the picture of it on the cell phone through the camera of another cell phone and the letters.

Made sense and it like I could fully read it at that point, but it was like challenge accepted Yeah, geez You've had that experience too, right? Like we were talking about how it's hard and then you like started having dreams about it Like your brain was like, yeah. All right. Let's see how hard it 

[00:11:54] Victor: is.

Yeah, it's like you plant that seed For your own subconscious and then it tries to do it. Yeah, 

[00:12:01] Zach: I feel like I've had that experience with cell phones We talked about how hard it is to see a cell phone screen And I still haven't gotten to where I'm like fully using it as I would in real life, but I've definitely used my phone in dreams.

I mean, I had that one a little while back that like, it was like a really simple phone with all the menus that made it more complicated. And then another one kind of recently where I could see one thing at a time and the rest of the screen was blurred. But it does feel like... Since we talked about it, my brain is trying to do it.

It's like not as successful right away, but it's like, yeah, like it kicks something loose. It's like, oh yeah, we should try to use the phone in a dream. That would be useful if we could do that. I also 

[00:12:43] Olivia: have a lot of dreams where like, I will take pictures of things on my phone in the dream. Fully expecting, like with the intention of looking at it when I wake up.

Like thinking that, oh, I'll just take a picture of this for when I wake up. So that I can remember this dream better because I'll have pictures on my camera 

[00:13:05] Zach: roll. I thought I did that a couple episodes ago. 

[00:13:08] Olivia: Right. Yeah. I'm constantly doing that. And it usually makes me lucid when I'm like, Oh, I'll take a picture.

And I'll remember this later because this is a dream. 

[00:13:18] Victor: This reminds me of like, we've never gone into it in this podcast, but like, if you look into dream stuff, um, there's, there's a lot of like tips on how to lucid dream. And a lot of what it is, is like asking your brain to do a thing that's really hard to do when you're dreaming.

Um, and so it's stuff like trying to check the time on the wall or like the date or something, or like asking somebody a question about like, I don't know, I guess it's all time based, it seems like, now that I'm talking about it. But, like, uh, all of those little checks you can do that, like, would work easily when you're awake, but your brain doesn't know what to do with it when you're sleeping.

We've never done that, though. Like, the three of us. I've never, like, committed to, like, a lucid dreaming practice like that. 

[00:14:05] Olivia: That'd be cool if we tried to do that as, like, a side quest. 

[00:14:09] Zach: Yeah, to get back into it, because we've all done it, right? 

[00:14:13] Victor: To lucid dream? Yeah, we've all lucid 

[00:14:15] Zach: dreamed. Yeah, I feel like we have talked about it, like, our past experiences.

On the pod. But yeah, that might be a fun challenge to get back into it and report. We're going 

[00:14:25] Olivia: on, um, another podcast here later this month. And I think the host of that podcast is, um, has some more expertise on lucid dreaming. So maybe we will ask her for some tips and try and start doing that. For 

[00:14:42] Zach: ourselves.

Yeah. I believe I've talked about, maybe it was like before we started keeping episodes, but, um, in high school when I was lucid dreaming a lot or like trying to, um, my thing was before I went to bed, I would stare into the mirror and like really analyze my face and connect with my face. They're like the reality of like, this is what I look like.

Um, and then when I was in a dream, if I found a mirror, I would look into it and do the same thing, just out of habit. Like I got, would train myself to like look intently at a mirror, and then when I did that in a dream and it didn't look like me, I would know I was dreaming. 

[00:15:19] Olivia: Yeah, I've heard like other, like, I don't know, I can't remember what they call like anchor, anchors, I think is maybe what it's called.

Other techniques like that were like, um, like one that I've heard of is that you like throughout the day, you just look at your hand and think I'm dreaming like you just like program yourself to look at your hand and think I'm dreaming and then you'll do that in a dream and you'll be like, oh, shit. I am dreaming.

[00:15:46] Zach: They also call them totems, right? I mean, that's what they call them in Inception, but I think that was based on a real thing. Oh, 

[00:15:53] Olivia: yeah. I like Anchor better. I don't know if I made that up, but it's better. 

[00:15:58] Zach: Yeah, I like Anchor. I've also been wanting to try Dream Incubation since we heard about it from Steve.

I've tried it. 

[00:16:05] Victor: How did that go for 

[00:16:06] Olivia: you? I have too many dreams. I can't, like, 

[00:16:10] Zach: I don't know. You lost the seed in the 

[00:16:12] Olivia: garden? Yeah, I'm like, what? I don't know. It'll be like I'll, I'll try and incubate something and then I'll, I'll wake up and have had like four really elaborate dreams. And I'm like, I'm, I don't want to deal with that.

Give me something clear, concise. That's lazy of me. I'm my brain's like, here's, here's a masterpiece for you to work with. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. That's too much work. It's somewhere 

[00:16:39] Victor: in there. I just feel like the little guys that live in your brain, the little like office workers that keep everything functioning have like ripped everything out, like, like they're like.

Pulling out, uh, the copper wire and everything, like they're tearing, they're tearing the place apart and just throwing everything into like the dream bonfire. And just like, I don't know what functionality you've lost in other places to allow you to dream the way that you do, but I don't, I don't think it's healthy.

[00:17:11] Olivia: No, it's like, I have disordered sleep and I'm pregnant. That's honestly, shit was wild before, but boy, boy, oh 

[00:17:21] Victor: boy. What's the main difference? It's just like they're more vivid. They're more frequent. Um 

[00:17:28] Zach: You're sleeping more often. 

[00:17:29] Olivia: No, they're like I'm remembering them more And I don't know. They're just like weirder more vivid I guess like the one from Last week with like the, the, the, like bear and the, I don't know, it's just, it gets, they get very, um, they're very vivid and, and there's just more vivid, more vivid dreams in a night, like I'll, I'll wake up and have had like four and it's like.

A lot. 

[00:18:00] Victor: Yeah, you used to wake up every morning and say, I had a dream last night. Now you wake up every morning and say, I had three dreams last night. Let me tell them to you. Yeah. 

[00:18:11] Zach: Morning routine. It's just getting longer and longer. 

[00:18:15] Olivia: What did I say the other day? You're like, all right, tell them to me. And I was like, all right, one, Australia.

[00:18:25] Victor: Yeah, it's like, that's cheating. You're just naming things. 

[00:18:31] Olivia: I realized that it was too much to like try and describe to you. 

[00:18:35] Victor: So, so you tried to sum it up with Australia. Was that the key message of the dream? Australia. No, 

[00:18:42] Olivia: it was really violent, actually. What? 

[00:18:46] Zach: Just like the settling of Australia. Yeah.

Meanwhile, when Victor goes to sleep, all the office workers in his head, like, set their emails to the automated, like, we'll be out of the office for the next eight hours. 

[00:19:00] Victor: Yeah. Everyone goes home. 

[00:19:02] Zach: Yeah. Turns the lights off. 

[00:19:04] Victor: I did actually, while you were talking about me not dreaming, it did like spark a memory of, but it's not a full dream.

I don't have the whole thing fleshed out, but I remember it was like, it was definitely like an Olivia centric dream, but it was like, I was. I was dating someone that I like barely remember from high school, but it was you, it was like that person and you at the same time. 

[00:19:31] Olivia: Like a disjunctive cognition 

[00:19:33] Victor: thing?

Yeah, it was like a, it was like a different version of this relationship, but like, it was like your soul was inside of a different person or something. Hmm. Um, and then I remember. Waking up and realizing like oh this this and this were happening in that dream That's about this other stuff that I know is going on in Olivia's life, but I've forgotten all those details I just remember that that's what I thought after I woke up from the dream Okay, so any any insights that would have we would have gotten into they're gone That's it.


[00:20:08] Olivia: question would be what do you think of that person that you barely remember from high school? I 

[00:20:13] Victor: I didn't know her that well. It was it was a girl that I think I had a crush on for a little bit Okay, but that's all I remember. I remember calling her house phone 

[00:20:25] Olivia: That's so high school in real 

[00:20:26] Victor: life. Yeah.


[00:20:29] Zach: That's high school for our generation. 

[00:20:32] Victor: That's all I got That's it. 

[00:20:34] Olivia: Yeah. Well, yeah, that's not much to work 

[00:20:36] Zach: with. Yep. Man, if it weren't for the hormones that were coursing through my body in high school, I don't know how I would have mustered the courage to call a strange grown man and be like, is your daughter home?

It was the most terrifying thing I had done up to that point. Absolutely. Kids these days just call each other directly. It's not fair, 

[00:20:56] Victor: but I think my kid, they're living in the woods. 

[00:21:02] Zach: That's probably for the best, honestly. 

[00:21:05] Victor: When they turn 18, I'm going to show them what tools are. 

[00:21:11] Zach: And then maybe we'll get into reading.

Written word. Yes, I assume you guys I've had to have, uh, or just knowing you guys, I feel like you've already had a lot of conversations about that thing, like raising a kid in this day and age where like some, yeah, I remember when I was a kid, like the debate was like, do you let your kid watch TV or not?

And now it's like, do you let them have a tick tock account when they're like nine, you know, 

[00:21:40] Olivia: I was just thinking about the iPad kid that we saw at the diner a few months back. 

[00:21:45] Victor: Yeah. Yeah, this kid was, uh, in a booth at this diner and, uh, like, they were sitting across from, like, their grandmother or something, I think, and they were just totally zoned into their iPad.

Is that the same thing you're 

[00:21:58] Olivia: thinking about? Yeah, no, but it was just, like, sad. Like, the grandma was, like, eating pancakes and this kid was just, like, wolfing down, like, fuckin French toast and, like, Watching watching some YouTube channel like on the iPad fully checked out of like just have breakfast with your 

[00:22:17] Victor: grandma Yeah, like you don't need the iPod iPad no God Don't need the iPad while you're like in the middle of eating and you have company 

[00:22:28] Olivia: Yeah, there's plenty going on.

It's just like a stimulation. Yeah. Problem. 

[00:22:33] Zach: But it's like, you know, the, the TV thing, I feel like that, that was like way simpler when we were kids, but it was like, I knew like two kids that I went to school with who weren't allowed to, like, they didn't have TV at their house. Like they just didn't have it around and they were like smarter and more focused than the rest of us, but they were considered weird.

Like, cause most. People it was easier. Like if every kid has access to TV, it's easier as a parent to just be like, okay, fine Just don't watch MTV. Right? Um, but I feel like that's where culture has gotten with things that are Uh, probably way more damaging like social media like I I just imagine it being really hard to like Tell a kid no when all their their peer group has the really addictive destructive thing like 

[00:23:22] Olivia: what I've been reading about with it is like as far as like screen time and child development like obviously like I like I don't I don't know that like no screen time is like necessary but like Um, it does seem like there's a lot of evidence that it, like, delays development, like, because it, it is just, like, a, a distraction from, like, dealing with what's going on right then, right then and there, like.

And understandably, like, there's a lot of situations where it's like, you have this tool to keep your kid fucking quiet and chill, and like, uh, that is a lot easier than, and like, also so much more convenient when you have like, shit going on that you're trying to take care of, but like, um, there's a lot of situations where it's like, if a kid gets that too much, Instead of learning how to, like, regulate their own nervous system and, like, deal with their own emotions.

Like, yeah, it, like, really messes with their development. So I'm pretty, I'm like, I'm on, like, the, in the camp of, like, they definitely don't need to have much of that. Um. But like, obviously, there's probably times where it's like, okay, just shut up and sit down. So, we'll see how we do, but the intention is probably, probably not a lot of that.

We don't have an, oh, we do have an iPad. The kid will not have their own iPad. Yeah. And they are not touching ours with their nasty booger fingers. Oh 

[00:24:58] Victor: my god. 

[00:25:00] Olivia: And their open mouth. Coughing. 

[00:25:02] Zach: Ugh, kids are so gross. 

[00:25:06] Olivia: Yeah. Gotta love them. 

[00:25:09] Victor: I have like, I felt like a little bit of, uh, attention there. Cause it's like, I do think that it's bad for development in a lot of ways, but then like, I do feel like you need a certain grip of grip on technology to like, Do a lot of stuff that you need to do now.

And it's like, well, I don't want my kid to like be behind and being able to like use technology, but like maybe like just real limited internet, you know, like limited games and internet. 

[00:25:39] Olivia: And they don't need that for so long. Like there's like. Like, maybe when they're like, a pre teen, you start prepping them for like, 

[00:25:47] Zach: I don't know.

Yeah, you've got a few years to, to figure it out in specifics. Yeah. It just sounds so much more complicated 

[00:25:54] Olivia: now. Yeah, you're not dealing with just TV at this point. 

[00:25:59] Zach: Yeah, that was, you'd have the V chip or whatever, and it would scramble the porn channel, and then you were like, alright, you're good to watch TV.

But now it's like, I wouldn't know how to like, protect a kid from one part of the internet with, Like protect them from fucking ISIS beheading videos, but also give them access to the, the parts that are like enriching, you know, cause you can learn a lot. Like anything you want to know is there. So, so yeah, I feel like they would be behind a curve if you took it entirely away.


[00:26:29] Victor: yeah, we learned a lot in the Gaia online forums and our preteens totally changed who I am as a person. Were you on Gaia? I 

[00:26:38] Olivia: was on Gaia. I don't know what that is. I was a Gaia online kid. I was talking to strangers on Gaia Online. What 

[00:26:45] Zach: was that, like a chat room? It was 

[00:26:47] Olivia: all kinds of things. It was like a, yeah, like a kind of weeby forum.

Like, forum based website. I did a lot of, uh, roleplaying. 

[00:27:00] Zach: Like D& D roleplaying? 

[00:27:03] Victor: Like nerdier than

[00:27:08] Zach: that. Yeah. I don't, yeah. This was not on my radar. So you 

[00:27:11] Olivia: make an original character. 

[00:27:15] Zach: I definitely, I would want to make sure my kid still has access to MSN Messenger. There 

[00:27:20] Victor: you go. Is that still a thing? No. 

[00:27:24] Zach: They can have a MySpace. How about that? 

[00:27:27] Olivia: I talked to lots of people I should not have talked to on the internet.

[00:27:31] Zach: I think I just, I just missed the trend of like, I think that was like the next couple of classes younger than me that were experimenting with talking to strangers online. Or maybe I was missing entirely. I feel like that happened like, like pretty immediately after the internet was available. 

[00:27:45] Olivia: Felt like it was only like select people.

Yeah. In any given group that were like susceptible to that like I feel like I was always the weird kid who like was talking to fucking strangers on the internet like everyone else all the other kids my age thought that was really weird and like told their parents about it who told my parents who were like, ah, 

[00:28:07] Zach: What are they gonna do?


[00:28:09] Victor: thinking about the time I got catfished. Oh. You got catfished? I don't remember, I don't remember the details real well, but yeah, it was like some, like, chat, you know, as you do, like, chatting with girls in the MSN chat rooms or whatever. Back in the day, but I remember I was like, I was like, on the internet.

I thought I was talking to somebody my age. And we were like, we were like, let's talk on the phone. And I got this phone call and it was like, it sounded like this person was like on oxygen and had like, the weirdest, breathiest, like, like, disturbing, like, Minute and a half like me just kind of on the phone quietly this person and that was it That was the end of it.

What did they say to you? I can't remember. I don't know 

[00:29:05] Olivia: Hey 

[00:29:06] Victor: there little boy Basically, I don't know. Yeah,

just like desperately trying to get in like an hour here 45 minutes there of Baldur's Gate 3 My my pregnant wife is like come downstairs spend time with me We have And we have things we have to do and I was like, I'm, I'm an elf.

[00:29:48] Zach: This, this reality is important too. 

[00:29:53] Olivia: No, you're very, you're very moderate with that stuff. I appreciate that. Thank you. By that stuff, I mean video games, not the nerdy stuff. You're not moderate with the nerdy stuff. No, I'm always a 

[00:30:06] Victor: nerd. 

[00:30:07] Olivia: Uh, alright, do we wanna do a dream? I had a nightmare. 

[00:30:12] Victor: Ooh, spooky. 

[00:30:13] Olivia: Spooky.

Um, okay, this dream was, is, was like two months old, but, or two mon this was from like two months ago, but, um, I'll just read it to you. Uh, okay, so it started, it was like nighttime and I wanted candy, like I wanted to go get candy from the store. And so I took Victor's car and I was driving to the store to get candy and I took a wrong turn somehow and ended up going to like West Seattle, which if you're not from here is like a pain in the ass to get to and from and is like just a whole bitch of a situation.

Um, it's nice once you're there, but like it's the bridge style. Actually, I don't know. I don't know if it is. Um, I try to avoid going there. Uh, but so I, I like took a wrong turn and I was heading towards west Seattle and like in the dream, it was like, I, I could have gone to like any gas station, any corner store.

And in the dream I was like, Oh, well, I guess I'll just go all the way to west Seattle and like get stopped there and then come back. And, um. As I was getting off the freeway, I saw a sign, a midwifery sign, a sign for like a midwifery business, um, which obviously, uh, and there were two gas stations, and I like had to pick between them to go to one to get candy, and so I go into one Um, into the gas station and I picked out like a lot of different pieces of candy and the cashier like commented on how much candy I was buying and opened my skittles and was like counting my skittles in the change, like the change thing.

I don't know, uh, like the thing where you like, there's like take, I don't know. What are those? There's like pennies there. Are those pennies up for grabs? Is that like, okay. A penny that you can just use if you need a penny, is 

[00:32:13] Victor: that 

[00:32:13] Zach: how that works? It keeps you from like getting 99 cents back and 

[00:32:16] Olivia: change.

Like take a penny, leave a penny. Anyway, um, yeah, so the cashier was like rolling my Skittles into that thing and counting them. Um, and so then I start driving home and I'm, I'm starting to eat. The candy and there's like a bunch of traffic, um, and I'm sitting in traffic and I, like, get into a trance and it's like, I don't know.

It was super weird. It was like I blacked out in the dream, like, I fully blacked out and I, like, wake up and I'm sitting there and it's like. Eerily silent and like the car is still running and there's no traffic everyone else has moved on and I'm like sitting in the middle of a highway in the car like idle and it feels like hours have passed and The cars like check engine light comes on and I was like fuck like I fucked up the car from sitting here for so long Um, I, I start to drive just to try and like get home and it's, the car starts to sound weird and so I take the next exit and I put the hazard lights on and I, I turn the car off and then I, I turn it back on and the lights are still on and I, I get out of the car to make sure that the doors are all closed and I don't know, I'm like checking the car and I feel like really yeah.

Like vulnerable like I feel like I might like get attacked or something like I put myself in this really precarious situation and I try to turn the car on and it won't it won't turn over this time and like I don't know that this all seems like somewhat like innocuous but it was like terrifying this was like a really like horrible dream and I just remember feeling like I.

Like fucked up at every turn and like put myself in this situation where it was like I wanted candy which is like a stupid thing to like go out of your way for and I like should have turned around when I took the wrong turn in the first place and like I somehow ended up in the situation I remember being worried like that I like fucked up Victor's car and that he was like trying to get ahold of me.

And I wrote at the bottom. I don't like this dream. 

[00:34:29] Zach: The coming to on the road after, you know, like time was lost in the car reminds me of like alien abduction 

[00:34:36] Olivia: stories. It felt like that. It was really like, it was really scary. It was like, I don't know. Yeah, it felt like so much time had been lost and like everyone else had left.


[00:34:47] Victor: what was the main feeling you were experiencing at the end? 

[00:34:50] Olivia: Like, um, regret and like, um, 

[00:34:55] Zach: Dread. 

[00:34:56] Olivia: Yeah. Like dread and guilt. Regret. Probably. Gotcha. Um, I remember something that was interesting about this was like, I think at the same time you had a dream about candy and we never got into it. That was the last dream that I think you had that you remember.

Remembered. I don't know. Remembered. You remember, you fully remembered it. Hmm. It was like in a mall. 

[00:35:21] Zach: As soon as he said candy. Yeah. As soon as you said candy, I thought of one of our early episode, early episodes, earlier episodes, uh, the candy flavored body horror one. It was the last time I remember you dreaming about candy, which was also like a not a fun dream.

Like that was right. Scary. Um, but I don't remember what the candy part meant in the context of that dream. Could be a theme with you though. 

[00:35:47] Olivia: Sure. Yeah. I feel like there was also something else in this dream that was like, there were like multiple themes in this dream that overlapped between my dream and Victor's dream that he had at the same time.

And we just didn't get into this on the pod at the time because like we moved past it so quickly. 

[00:36:04] Victor: But I think of my, like the dream where I was in the mall and I was like, 

[00:36:09] Olivia: yeah, there was like, it was a mall. You also had another mall dream, but this was a different mall dream. I have a lot of mall 

[00:36:16] Victor: dreams.

Yeah. Seems like, yeah. The one where I was like, where we got separated or 

[00:36:20] Olivia: whatever. Yeah. But wasn't it, there was something about 

[00:36:23] Victor: candy. Yeah, I think at the end, it was like, I passed through, um, it was like a kiosk kind of situation in like the middle of the, the roadway or whatever, whatever you call it in the mall.

Um, you know how, how like, there'll be the walkway with stores on the side and then there's like stores set up in the middle sometimes. Oh yeah, yeah. It was like that kind of situation. It was like a couple like rows of like cell phone cases. I remember it being like kind of pretty, you know, this like section of candy, but it was like in the middle of everything.

[00:36:58] Olivia: Oh, I think it was that you were trying to get back to 

[00:37:02] Victor: me. Yeah, we got separated and I was just kind of, um, vibing and then I got concerned about finding you. It was kind of like a back and forth of like doing my own thing and then being worried about you. 

[00:37:16] Olivia: Right. Well, that, that just like, That stuck out to me because my dream I was trying to get back to you the whole time 

[00:37:23] Victor: I found you at the end of my dream the very end.

I found you outside in the car in my car 

[00:37:28] Olivia: I fucking broke it down and on my way to west seattle 

[00:37:33] Zach: Yeah, maybe you're tandem 

[00:37:35] Victor: dreaming. Yeah, do you want to hear? Um some of these dream pipeline trees or do you want to tackle it a different way? 

[00:37:41] Olivia: Um, I have like an idea of what this dream might be about but I haven't like put any of the pieces together So, I don't know how, how you guys would prefer to go about it.

[00:37:53] Victor: I have a suspicion about what this dream is about, but I want to keep it to myself until we've dug into it a little bit. Yeah. 

[00:37:59] Zach: Okay. That's what I was going to say. I don't have a theory, but, uh, I feel like if anyone voices their theory and then we dig into it, we're all going to be inclined to like... Sure, sure.

Confirmation bias, you know, as opposed to... 

[00:38:14] Olivia: You want to start with 

[00:38:15] Zach: candy? Sure. Yeah, candy. Do you guys have a favorite candy by the way? Random question, I just like to know. I like sour 

[00:38:23] Olivia: candy. I like, I have a, oh, you should see my candy set. 

[00:38:29] Victor: We're actually candy eaters around here. Not, not everybody does that, but we'll, we like, like candy.

We'll get candy. Occasionally, I have this, you don't have a number one, 

[00:38:40] Zach: you have a huge what 

[00:38:43] Victor:

[00:38:43] Olivia: have a huge sack. Um, it's a gallon freezer bag, uh, where like I'll get candy periodically and I'll eat maybe like half of it. And then I'll just pour the rest into this gallon bag. And so I have this. This huge sack of, like, mixed candy.

I don't know, Victor's kind of grossed out by it. 

[00:39:07] Victor: Well, no, it's just like, Olivia likes that there's gross candy in there. Yeah, that's fun. You 

[00:39:13] Olivia: get to 

[00:39:14] Victor: She likes sorting, like, the good candy from the bad candy and leaving, like, the bad candy behind. And for me, I just stick my hand in and Pull out a piece of candy and then I'm like, half of these are disgusting.

[00:39:27] Olivia: You're missing out on the whole experience. I'm not gonna. It's about sorting through it. Like they're loose? Yeah, it's a big bag of loose candy. 

[00:39:36] Victor: It's not like individually wrapped candies, but she'll like buy a bag of gummy candy and then she'll dump it into a bigger bag of candy. That's kind of weird.

And she's just kind of accumulated like a really weird mixed bag. Of like, kind of whatever she's bought, and some of the stuff in there has probably been in there a long time. Yeah, 

[00:39:55] Olivia: it's extra... Chewy. Yeah, that's kind of 

[00:39:59] Zach: a bizarre M. 

[00:39:59] Olivia: O. I'm gonna post a picture of my candy sack on Instagram. 

[00:40:05] Zach: Do it. And I was just asking, that's like...

I like to add, uh... Ask my friends if they have, like, a favorite. Candy. Cause that's one of my love languages. If I stop at a gas station on my way to see a friend, I'll grab a bag of their favorite candy. 

[00:40:20] Olivia: You're a good person. Are you coming over here 

[00:40:22] Zach: anytime soon? No, but if, if you have a favorite candy, I'll store it in my candy.

I think you 

[00:40:27] Olivia: got me Skittles one time. Did I? told you that. Yeah. 

[00:40:31] Zach: That makes sense. Yeah. I've been doing this for a long time. Uh. And yours are Swedish 

[00:40:35] Olivia: fish. Yeah. 

[00:40:37] Zach: I'm a Snickers 

[00:40:38] Victor: guy. Good memory. Like 

[00:40:39] Zach: me a Snickers. You're not you when you're hungry. 

[00:40:41] Victor: How true. 

[00:40:45] Olivia: Especially for me right now, when I'm even a little bit hungry right now, I'm like, 

[00:40:51] Victor: she's just like screaming and projectile vomiting, 

[00:40:55] Zach: head spinning around 

[00:40:57] Olivia: 360.

I'm eating like twice as much as Victor right now. Well. Wild. 

[00:41:03] Zach: Twice as much human 

[00:41:05] Olivia: on your There's not. 

[00:41:05] Victor: On your person. Per capita.

[00:41:11] Zach: Yeah, you're two people. He's only one. That's right. 

[00:41:14] Victor: But okay, so there is a candy dream and there's a Skittles entry. So to dream of candy represents something that feels good to think about, enjoyment or self indulgence. You may be feeling joy or experiencing a special treat. A pleasurable experience you are having.

Candy may also reflect you enjoying yourself thinking of plans you have for the future. And Skittles, specifically, represent a situation that feels good moving past your problem easily. Feeling good that problems aren't your problem. Innocence, playfulness, and a carefree attitude about why something isn't a problem anymore.

Enjoying news that brightens your day moving past a problem. This is like denial. Having fun moving on. Enjoying simply never having to say anything as the reason you skip something. Feeling good skipping something over and over because you're intelligent about how to. Feeling good being intelligent about skipping something because someone else does it for you.

Feeling fantastic that you don't need any help while walking away laughing. That's in quotes. Feeling good talking to someone about easily getting rid of a problem. Uh, negatively dreaming about Skittles may reflect a dishonesty that enjoys walking away laughing from problems. Like it's fantastic.

Enjoying Skittling. Wait. Skittling? Enjoying skittling the rules. Wait, no, skidding. Skidding? Oh. I like skittling. Skittling. But it's 

[00:42:50] Olivia: in quotation marks, which makes it seem like it should say skittling. 

[00:42:54] Victor: Skitting the rules because it isn't dangerous. Enjoying feeling that you're faster than someone else that doesn't have to talk about it.

This is so garbled. Yeah. It's like, I know AI didn't write this, but it feels like bad AI read it. Yeah. Okay. It was pretty 

[00:43:13] Zach: ironic earlier when the reading entry had bad grammar. 

[00:43:17] Victor: Yeah. I was painting a picture. Um, and then driving. To dream of driving a vehicle represents full control of decision making or the direction a situation you're experiencing is taking.

Controlling or navigating the direction in life you are headed. Increased feelings of controlling outcomes or your destiny. Whoever is driving reflects the quality or aspect of yourself that is influencing your current path. If you are driving and can't see the road ahead, it's a sign that you do not know where you are heading in life or don't know what to expect in the near future.

To dream of driving and missing your turn may be a sign that you are not paying adequate attention to a situation. Awareness of yourself not having cared enough about what is going on. There's 

[00:44:01] Olivia: also a dream, to dream of driving at night. 

[00:44:04] Victor: Um, to dream that you are driving at night suggests that you are feeling a lack of confidence or enthusiasm for the direction in life you are headed.

You feel that something is not as good as it used to, or has taken a turn for the worse. You may be unsure of where you are headed in life. You may be experiencing obstacles towards your goals. You may not be feeling good making certain decisions or you are afraid to continue on. You may be feeling apprehensive about the future.

Hmm, and then there's if your car has poor controls. Your car is spinning out. Big bulky vehicle. Okay. That's it for driving. Any thoughts? Anybody got any thoughts? So 

[00:44:42] Zach: far? Well, I'm, I'm starting to formulate an idea of what this dream would be about if it was just like, some random person, person, like if a, uh, Like if a listener wrote in with this dream with no other details about their life, like I have a vague idea of what the Mechanics are at play, but I can't figure out how to apply it to olivia 

[00:45:04] Olivia: I mean, I think the midwifery sign is a huge clue 

[00:45:07] Victor: big clue.

Yeah Do you feel prepared to share your your uh, your seed of an idea zach, or do you want to 

[00:45:14] Zach: keep going? Oh, no, I mean, it's just vague. Yeah, it's like how the candy stuff Plays against the, uh, driving in the darkness stuff, like that some kind of colorful temptation has led this dreamer into a place that is scary and uncertain.

So like some sort of distraction has gotten them away from the path they're supposed to be on and into this, this feeling of chaos, but yeah. But I don't know that does, do the, the things in what, what what has come up so far resonate with, with your preconceived notions of what this was about. Yeah. 

[00:45:52] Victor: Yes.

Yeah, me too. 

[00:45:53] Olivia: I'm curious to hear what my, like the differences between my idea and your idea. 

[00:45:59] Victor: A gas station. To dream of a gas station represents habits that give you emotional or psychological sustenance, something you need to have or need to feel in order to continue with the direction your life is taking.

Gas stations reflect a need for energy or resources in order to move forward with goals, feeling like a loser that needs to inject enthusiasm or confidence into your life or relationship. A gas station might be a sign that you've run out of gas or need to recalibrate in order to carry on. A need to re energize or re invigorate your life in some area.

Feeling empty and needing to recharge some area of your life. Feeling that you've done something in excess or that your relationship is running out of 

[00:46:37] Olivia: energy. Why don't we, instead of reading all of them, share and then maybe we can connect some final dots. 

[00:46:44] Victor: Okay, I can't read this last one, it's short.

Sure. Um, cashier. To dream of a cashier represents awareness of consequences of your choice, noticing the personal cost of your decision, what you have to face in life to get what you want. Yeah. 

[00:47:01] Olivia: Okay, so my, like, initial thought with this dream, like, having not read any Dream Bible entries on it, was like, uh, more about, like, a fear of, um, fucking up as a parent, and, um, and, like, maybe, like, Yeah, like, okay, I guess what I was feeling was like in the dream.

It was like I went way out of my way for this impractical, like frivolous thing and like made several stupid decisions about it that led me to be in like a precarious situation where there were stakes and. Um, like the midwifery sign, just like, if, if you just take that and like, say, okay, this is, this is about parenthood.

Like, to me, it felt like a dream that was about, like, how easy it is to fuck up and like, how big the stakes are. Um. 

[00:48:02] Zach: Yeah, see, I wasn't sure what to do with the midwifery thing. I didn't know that's how you say it, by the way, um, because I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess my one and only thought about that is it could signal that this is about pregnancy, but it also, you know, as you've pointed out before, it's such a big thing that it makes sense that like all your dreams would be about that.

So. I kind of took that as the baseline and then wondered if there was something to midwifery specifically as a specific, like, component of giving birth that had extra significance. 

[00:48:32] Olivia: Right. Yeah, you know, I'm like, surprisingly, and this is probably just because I've never done it before, but like, I'm really not nervous about giving birth.

I feel like I can handle that. I'm nervous about taking care of a baby. And like, I guess in some ways it feels like the wrong turn or like the, I don't know, that that could be like. A fear of like, oh, what did we do? Right? Like, um, like the pregnancy being like, okay, now we're on this path and like, there's not really any going back and like, what if it gets fucked up, you know, um, all for this, like, uh, I don't know, like the idea of a thing that you want, like I wanted candy, you know, I just wanted it.

[00:49:20] Zach: Do you think parenthood could be the candy 

[00:49:22] Olivia: like it's I mean maybe it just like that the candy was like the idea of the thing that I wanted and that I was going to go way out of my way for like it felt like in the dream. I I left the house like at like 10 PM or something like Yeah. Yeah. It was like, you know, those late night snacks where you're like, oh, I really got to go to the store for this.

And it's like, do you really though? Like, it felt like one of those situations where it was like, I'm going to indulge in this thing. Like, I'm going to go give myself this little treat. And like, it turned into a whole thing. Um. Like spiraled out of control and wasn't like not worth the reward, you know, um, and, and like, actually like, uh, became dangerous.

And, and like, I was worried about, I was worried about Victor. Like I was specifically like concerned about, Victor like, like, I don't know. It felt like maybe you were out looking for me or like it just felt like the whole situation was like dangerous over something that was not worth it. You know? 

[00:50:28] Victor: Yeah, I, um, my gut reaction.

I think, I think it holds up. Um, but that doesn't mean that's what the dream is about. But, um, I had thought that, uh, It sounded like maybe this had to do with like an anxiety about, um, how starting a family could maybe like affect our relationship or change our relationship. Right. And so it ending with like, um, you being alone and feeling like anxious and stuff.

It was like, maybe like a fear of our relationship. Like Suffering or changing because of like, we've made a big change and like, maybe we don't handle it or something 

[00:51:09] Olivia: that felt like a big part of it. Like, it felt like there were several things at play. Like, um, that aspect, like, I was all worried about having ruined your car.

I was really worried about that. And like, it felt like I, like, Um, that that was like, um, I had like damaged something important, you know, um, uh, between us. Right. Uh, but then also like the, just like at every turn there was like, it was, it was kind of like, like me, like taking the wrong turn and like noticing I was going to West Seattle.

Seeing this midwifery sign and then deciding like not to turn back like I could have gotten I remember feeling like I could have gotten off and like gone back instead of going all the way there and I didn't um, and like. I know that that feels like now that I'm saying that that feels like a direct metaphor for like, or like, I don't know, just like the, like your decision to like start a family, like feels like final and like, you're, you're going through with it.

Um, like in the dream, it just felt like, I don't know, it felt like a mishandling of the situation, like in, in the same way that like a simple mishandling of like a situation with a baby. Or as a parent could have dire consequences that was the feeling I got from that was that like like you think about all the things that like if your kid sleeps in the wrong position they can like suffocate it's like there's all these little things that make me super fucking nervous that are like seems are so simple but like have huge.

Consequences. Um, and that was the feeling that I got from that part of the dream. You 

[00:53:00] Zach: feel like the candy and the excursion to get it is emblematic of something you're, you're worried about post giving birth. Not, not that the candy is emblematic of, of the decision to be a parent in the first place. 

[00:53:13] Olivia: Yes.

That was the feeling I had that I felt like the candy was like, Me making a stupid decision like as a parent as a parent. 

[00:53:23] Victor: Yeah, gotcha to dream of a blackout Represents a situation in your life that completely stops you or distracts you You may feel completely unable to function in some way because something important was stopped or removed Something fundamental to your life work or relationship is stuff You may be frustrated or experiencing failure with something that you were attempting to do That's all the entries.

[00:53:46] Olivia: Blackout was really like the scariest part. It felt like after the blackout, I was completely alone. There was nobody else there. Um, and it just, it felt really bad. And it, and it felt like, um, like I didn't know what happened while I was blacked out, but I also, and I also felt like I, yeah, I don't know. I can't, the thought fully just left my brain.

I've also started, like, putting things in, like, that go in the fridge, in the cabinet, and like Oh yeah. Uh Yeah. 

[00:54:22] Victor: Um 

[00:54:23] Zach: Stoner behavior. 

[00:54:25] Olivia: Mom brain. 

[00:54:27] Zach: It seemed like a lot of those entries mentioned the word failure and the word relationship, so that definitely tracks with, um, Victor's specific theory that, that seems to be part of your Total experience of the of the fear in the dream, you know some some fear of relationship failure because of a series of decisions or the or the The new dynamic is a family itself.

I don't know if that made sense. 

[00:54:55] Victor: No, that makes sense I feel like the the end of the dream being like alone in the car really feels like Symbolic of like our relationship ending or something 

[00:55:06] Zach: Yeah, and I don't know what the Dream Bible has to say about cars, but like, I feel like it's a pretty strong cultural symbol, like when you first, when you get your first car as like a teenager or whatever, or at least get your license, like, the first word that comes to my mind is freedom, and like, mobility, and the fact, like, the fear of, like, Olivia fucking that up for Victor seems like...

Like a pretty, pretty direct, like, representation of a, of a fear. That's interesting. That's interesting. 

[00:55:36] Victor: I, like, 

[00:55:37] Olivia: I, I felt, uh, like, just a total fuck up in this dream. Like, I felt like, um, such a child. Like, that I went on this really stupid journey to get candy, and like, that I fucked it up at multiple points, like, taking the wrong turn, not turning back, blacking out, um, and then when I the way I handled the car, like, I was like, turning it on and off, and like, Getting out of the car and like, yeah, but like, and instead of like trying to make it home, I like turned the car off several times and like, then it wouldn't turn back on and like, and like, I just remember feeling like, um, like all of that was so stupid and like, wouldn't have.

I don't know, like, and it felt like, like, Victor was, Victor wouldn't have let that happen. Like, I, I felt like, like, irresponsible and like, um, that you were probably out looking for me and like, if you had been there, none of that would have gone that way. Um, and that was just like my fault. 

[00:56:46] Zach: Did the decision between the two gas stations, you said there were like, you felt like at a certain point there was a deliberate decision you had to make between these two different gas stations.

Yeah. Does that in retrospect seem important? Like the other one would have had a different outcome. I'm not 

[00:57:00] Olivia: sure. I think they were different colors, but I can't quite remember. Which colors 

[00:57:06] Zach: but it's not like getting candy at that one would have been like would have changed anything because by this time you'd already Wandered into West Seattle.

[00:57:13] Olivia: Yeah, 

[00:57:13] Victor: probably just curious. What was the deal with the cashier? um, 

[00:57:20] Olivia: are they like commented on how much candy that I bought and then They like opened my skittles and counting the skittles mix it with 

[00:57:29] Zach: dirty change. 

[00:57:31] Olivia: Yeah but I do feel like What I was just talking about kind of tracks like I, I feel like I, in real life, um, like I see you, Victor, as like, I don't, I don't know.

I like default to you a lot. Like, I, I feel like, um, I really like value your opinion on, on like decisions and like, uh, Yeah, I guess, like, maybe this dream is a fear of, like, or, like, me, like, doubting myself and my own ability to, like, um, handle things on my own, because I, I do feel like I, like, I don't know, like, I guess I, like, I feel like, yeah, like, I feel like I trust, like, I trust you with, with a lot of, um, like, important decisions that, like, I don't necessarily trust myself with alone, um.

And so like in this dream it was like I was on a simple quest but like I like fucked it up so royally and like and I just remember feeling like this would never have happened if you were there and like feeling like so stupid about it and like why did I have to handle it this way like I should have there were so many points where I should have done done it differently.

[00:58:53] Zach: If you hadn't been wandering around the mall Victor, none of this would have ever happened. I mean, I feel like this is pretty broadly relatable, like from a self confidence or like self worth point of view, you know what I mean? Not everyone's in your exact situation as expecting parents, but you know, I think a lot of people have some kind of like imposter syndrome or, uh, self doubt of an upcoming big deal, you know?


[00:59:27] Olivia: Yeah. And you know, like We've become really like, I don't know, we operate together a lot of the time, um, especially like we were only together for like six months before COVID and then like we were only together, like we were together like all the time for so long, like, I don't know, we just like, I feel like a lot of the time we operate as our differences.

And like, um, we're really on the same journey a lot of the time. And, um, I know that you're going to be very present and fully like there as a, as a parent. And especially like, even when you go back to work, you work from home and like, that's awesome. And at the same time, I'm going to be on a really different journey than you, um, with this.

Like, I have a very different role just as the person who gave birth to this kid. Um, and like, Yeah, some of, like, I guess that does, like, scare me a little bit to be, like, it feels like a lot of responsibility, um, as it is, and, like, um, that, like, it is gonna put us on slightly separate journeys, even though we're gonna be on it, you know, there's a journey we're on together, and also, like, There's a separate journey that I'm on, you know what I 

[01:00:56] Victor: mean?

Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Um, and, uh, I mean, it's, it's normal to, to feel like some anxiety about how that's gonna change our relationship and then also just change who we are as individuals, right? Um, you're probably gonna think differently and approach life differently when you're doing it as a parent.

Um, but, um, something, something I think a lot about our relationship and, um, I was just, I just saw something about it the other day, but, uh, it's something I've said about our relationship a lot is, um, that. I think a healthy relationship is not like all consuming. It's like, uh, a place, um, to like recharge and like rejuvenate each other and make each other stronger for the stuff outside of the relationship that you're trying to conquer, you know?

And, um, Like, parenthood is gonna be a big part of what we're doing, but it's also something that's outside of our relationship, and that's a thing that ideally, like, like, within our marriage we will make each other stronger and more capable of dealing with parenthood and everything else, right? Yeah. So it is really precious, um, by itself as, like, a source of...

Strength and comfort, you know, um, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think that's something that's worth remembering is that, um, like we make each other stronger and more capable. 

[01:02:36] Olivia: Yeah, no, and I think that's a really important distinction to make that parenthood is. A separate thing from our relationship. Um, it's a thing we're doing together, but, uh, you know, and it is obviously like a part of our relationship, just like anything that we do together is, but, um, being able to, like, come back to our relationship.

Separately from parenthood. Um, I think it's important. Like you hear people talk about like you need to make time even if it's just like once a week, like just to check in and like spend time together and not talk about the kid, you know? Like, um, yeah, I think that's 

[01:03:20] Victor: important. It's easy for couples to become like just parents and then they lose.

Their connection to each other, you know, it's a it's a pitfall. So let's not do that. Yeah

[01:03:35] Zach: Problem solved. Hell. Yeah, we went beyond my pay grade a while ago Got to a certain point where I could no longer chime in as the like unmarried guy who hasn't so much as babysat a kid this whole life being like this is what you guys should do. This is how you Dig about it this way.

Yeah. Is that the 

[01:03:59] Olivia: episode? Well, I'm gonna go fish around in my candy sack. 

[01:04:03] Zach: Thanks for listening to The Jung and the Restless. You can follow us on 

[01:04:07] Olivia: social media at the Jung and the restless pod and submit your dreams for interpretation to the Jung and the rest Plus pod at Gmail and 

[01:04:15] Zach: as we always say, it's 

[01:04:17] Victor: got, it's got electro electrolytes.

It's got what? Craves got plants crave

[01:04:29] Zach: clock.

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