37. Alien Frogs and the Sticky Dog

The Dream Team’s talks dream houses- what does it mean your dream takes place in one of your previous homes?…...

The Dream Team’s talks dream houses- what does it mean your dream takes place in one of your previous homes? Also, is time even real? These are biig questions.

Olivia shares two dreams, one about a wedding that goes awry when alien frogs wearing teeny tiny shoes abduct the wedding guests in the middle of the night; and another about a daunting quest to groom a very sticky dog.

0:00 Intro

1:00 Dream Houses

2:59 Talking about Time

9:23 Olivia's therapist recommends a podcast to Victor

16:49 Alien frogs dream

48:36 Sticky dog dream

About Dream Bible:

Dream Bible is a free online A to Z dream dictionary dedicated to helping people understand the meaning of their dreams. Unlike other dream interpretation websites or books we extensively research dream symbols by interviewing people about the events occurring in their lives at the time of their dreams.  Inspired by the work of Gillian Holloway Ph.D, we are using a database of over 350,000 dream reports to create the world's most practical dream dictionary based on the waking life experiences of regular people.


Dream Bible entries used in this episode:

Houses: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=house

Frogs: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=frogs

Toast: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=toast

Dogs: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=dogs

Sizes: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=sizes


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Episode Transcript

37. Alien Frogs and the Sticky Dog

[00:00:00] Olivia: Welcome to the Jung and the Restless. I'm Olivia. 


[00:00:03] Zach: victor. 

And this is the podcast where we put cheese on a pedestal. 

Uno, dos, tres leche cake.

[00:00:37] Olivia: Oh, that's one of my favorite

[00:00:39] Zach: Oh yeah? That's a good cake.

[00:00:41] Olivia: It's a good cake. wet.

[00:00:44] Zach: There's three milks in it.

[00:00:45] Olivia: That would make anyone wet.

[00:00:47] Zach: Oh god.

[00:00:48] Victor: Where do we possibly take the podcast from here?

[00:00:52] Zach: I don't even know if we started yet. We just started recording. Came right out of the gates with three milk wet. 

[00:00:59] Olivia: I heard from our good friend Steve, confirming our theory about dream houses. Um, he was saying that that's like a known thing in dream interpretation, that if your, if your dream takes place in a house that you've lived in, like you can absolutely look to that time of your life for further clues.

[00:01:21] Zach: Well that's badass.

[00:01:22] Olivia: Makes a lot

[00:01:23] Zach: I wonder what else we could learn by doing research.

[00:01:26] Olivia: Um, well, let's not find out.

[00:01:28] Zach: It's more fun to come up with theories on our own than have them confirmed or denied.

[00:01:33] Olivia: Yeah, I'm enjoying it.

[00:01:34] Victor: Yeah, like I'm so curious, but I don't think I'll ever be curious enough to actually look into it.

[00:01:40] Zach: Yeah, I just... I assume so much of this stuff is controversial or just theoretical.

[00:01:45] Olivia: Yeah, I feel like when you, when I look up dream interpretation, there's a lot of stuff that is like, that feels like bullshit and like fortune tellery, you know, where it's like, oh, if you have this dream, it's a bad omen, or it means you're about to, get a bunch of money or something.

That's like, I don't think that's, that's like a very different thing from what we're doing here, you know?

[00:02:08] Victor: Yeah,

[00:02:09] Zach: Yeah, it feels like, uh, the difference, like there's a similar thing with horoscopes, right? I feel like there's people who use them in this really in depth birth chart kinda, like, personality test sort of way that's like, practical and applicable. And then there's the, you know, the one that's published in the newspaper that's just like, your lucky numbers are.

[00:02:28] Olivia: Right.

[00:02:29] Victor: Yeah. 

I kind of forgot that was a thing. It's like that it would say in the newspaper like, oh, if you're a Virgo, like look out, something bad's gonna happen to you this month or something.

[00:02:40] Zach: Yeah, I used to get excited about that when I was a kid. My dad was done reading the papers He would give them to me and I would go to the funny page first But then go to the horoscope and see if there's anything cool under Scorpio And if it was ever like, you know He says a little kid if it was like about your professional life or your marriage, I'd be like boring

[00:02:59] Victor: been reading this book about the nature of time, But it's it's really interesting. It's like kind of like the most up to date of like what we know about time And it's really counterintuitive and I'm not smart enough for it I can't follow half of what the fuck you're talking about, but it's uh, it's interesting Oh the order of time That's what I'm reading.

[00:03:22] Zach: the order of time

[00:03:24] Victor: Yeah, because like it gets into the idea that like time kind of doesn't have any consistency, like it changes based on all sorts of different variables, basically. It's like how far away you are from big things and how fast you're moving and where you are in relation to other stuff.

it's not really like the flowing linear thing that we think of it as.

[00:03:47] Olivia: that's like, too hard to wrap my brain around.

[00:03:51] Victor: Yeah,

[00:03:51] Zach: sometimes I think I have like an inkling of understanding about it but then when I try to articulate it, I feel like I just sound like a White dude with dreadlocks on acid at a party

[00:04:01] Victor: yeah, that's interesting. I don't know. I'm finding it like kind of meditative because it's like like oh well if this thing that feels fundamental to reality is kind of not at all what it looks like and it's kind of like

[00:04:13] Olivia: Almost

[00:04:14] Victor: an illusion of perception then like chill the fuck out a little bit, you know, but 

[00:04:19] Zach: Yeah, yeah, I remember at a really young age hearing the theory. It's not even a theory. I think it's a thought experiment Because I don't think this is anyone's actual theory on how time works But what if there were like infinite parallel realities and they were all frozen like a still image? Uh, and our consciousness just inhabits each one, like, at 24 frames per second, so we experience it in motion and linearly, um, but there's actually no such thing as motion or time.

[00:04:54] Olivia: Hm.

[00:04:54] Zach: It's just, yeah, moving like a movie, which I don't think anyone actually thinks that. It's just like, yeah, it's just one of those, like, early things that blew my mind about, like, the, yeah, the nature of reality, like, the first time. I remember vividly being like. Super young and my mom going like, like explaining to me, we were like looking at a curtain and it was red and she was like, we both see that and say red, but we don't know that the other person is seeing the same color.

We just all agree that that's red, but it might, our reds might not be the same. And I was like, what the fuck mom? And

[00:05:31] Olivia: Classic.

[00:05:32] Zach: haven't probably changed my whole life trajectory right there.

[00:05:35] Victor: Yeah, I think the unhealthiest thing that ha that, like, the most unhealthy idea I had as a kid was, like, my... Like, child understanding of, like, the Buddha story. Cause it's like, oh, this guy was just really smart and he thought his way out of existence. He, like, just, like, thought so good he ascended. And, uh, I've been chasing that ever since.

[00:06:00] Olivia: since.

[00:06:01] Zach: Just been trying to think better. I grew up in the backwoods of Northern Maine, so I don't think I knew who the Buddha was until college. Nah, I'm sure I read some shit in high school, but nothing. There wasn't a... A subculture, like other kids talking about Buddhism,

[00:06:19] Victor: Yeah, there wasn't for me either. I don't know where that got in my head, but I vividly remember thinking about it when I was, like, you know, elementary school.

[00:06:29] Zach: which is ironic because my favorite band in middle school was Nirvana,

[00:06:32] Victor: Mmm,

[00:06:33] Zach: but I didn't know what the name meant until way later.

[00:06:36] Victor: I remember going to like some church day camp thing when I was a kid that was Mission Impossible themed and like they played the song when everybody was going into like the conference room or whatever. I probably yeah, I don't know. That's all I remember about it is like walking into it was like church.

But the lights were out, and there was a projector, and they were blasting the Mission Impossible song.

[00:07:00] Olivia: stuff.

That's all I

[00:07:00] Zach: That sounds

[00:07:01] Victor: That's all I got out of it.

[00:07:03] Olivia: Did they do like, Jesus stuff at that camp?

[00:07:06] Victor: Fully don't remember anything else that happened. I just remember the Mission Impossible theme.

[00:07:12] Olivia: Uh, so we didn't do our homework from last time we recorded. We have not watched face off yet. I don't know if you

[00:07:19] Zach: Oh, no, I totally forgot.

[00:07:21] Olivia: Yeah, that's fine.

[00:07:23] Zach: I was like, homework.

[00:07:25] Olivia: for next week.

[00:07:26] Victor: I do want you to watch it, though. We gotta watch it, Liv.

[00:07:29] Olivia: Yeah, we can watch it tonight. That's what I said last time.

[00:07:33] Zach: I mean, face off will never not be good. It's there for you whenever you're ready.

[00:07:37] Olivia: I'm ready.

[00:07:38] Zach: oh, yeah, the, uh, going back to the dream interpretation world, you know, in the comparison with the horoscopes, it does seem like, yeah, there's, you know, from based on, like, the experience that we've gained with the, with this world, which is just dipping a toe in, like, since we started this podcast, um, it does seem like there's kind of two, and, main veins. Like there's the one that is more, like our old job,

[00:08:03] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:08:05] Zach: more, uh, snake oily, a little more, you know, like tied to like that side of woo.

And then there's the other more like, like Steve, like, like more sincere. Um, uh, well, not that the other sex doesn't believe that they're being sincere, but it's hard to explain the difference, but I think, you know what I'm talking about?

[00:08:22] Olivia: I think a lot of the time it comes with like, that other side of it comes with kind of a outside, outsized sense of like, power.

[00:08:32] Victor: but

[00:08:33] Zach: Yeah. As opposed to like wonder.

[00:08:34] Olivia: Right, there's like, you'll see a lot of... Like, not, not just in this particular area, but like, in that whole realm, you see a lot of people who like, believe that they have a really special gift or like, that they have seen something different than anyone else and like, they're sharing something special with you.

Um, and I feel like, I don't know, a lot of bullshit over there. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:00] Zach: Yeah, like our old boss who had to be an authority on everything as opposed to being like, Oh, psychic mediumship. That's interesting. Let me read about that. Or let me, you know, have a conversation with you about that. I was like, I'm actually a psychic medium.

[00:09:15] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:09:15] Zach: I'm going to tell you what you should think.

[00:09:18] Olivia: Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna tell you what you're thinking right now.

[00:09:23] Zach: that's

[00:09:23] Victor: Olivia's Therapist recommended me a podcast through Olivia.

[00:09:31] Zach: funny.

[00:09:31] Victor: know what they talk about in there, but somehow it turned into, Hey, Victor should really listen to this podcast about, uh, like some mental health stuff.

[00:09:40] Olivia: It was about not remembering your childhood.

[00:09:42] Victor: It it was like a childhood, uh, memory hole kind of thing. Um, but

[00:09:49] Olivia: but

[00:09:49] Victor: as I was listening to it, it was this woman that was like, Really like clear very clear about like I'm not a therapist. I'm not a psychologist I'm not here to give you medical advice But like this is the world in which I operate and we're gonna talk to this expert It was very interesting very well done in the whole time.

I was like, this is like this person is Who your guys's old boss like wanted desperately to be but was too evil to ever become

[00:10:19] Zach: Oh, they're like authentically that person

[00:10:21] Victor: Yeah, 

like authentically that person 

[00:10:23] Olivia: kind of like she had the same she had the gravitas that our old boss like wanted Yeah

[00:10:30] Victor: is, again, too crazy to ever actually achieve.

[00:10:34] Zach: yeah, that's interesting. I remember my childhood pretty well, but I kind of want to hear this person talk.

[00:10:41] Olivia: Yeah that that podcast was recommended to both of us because both of us have some memory gap stuff, but Yeah, it's super interesting. It sounds like That actually is fairly normal as, like, a process of growing up, like, to forget things. But, like, there's certain kinds of, like, acute memory loss that are, like, the direct result of trauma, and, 

[00:11:06] Zach: That makes sense.

[00:11:07] Olivia: yeah.

[00:11:07] Victor: And they really talk about how it can like follow you into adulthood, you know, it's like, um, like, if you're someone that has like, uh, your fight or flight impulse activated, like your, your brain cannot form long term memory, while it's also in like that kind of terror response or whatever, or it doesn't work the same way.

And so if you're like, constantly in like a heightened state of like self defense, or whatever. Then your normal memory stuff is like barely ever working the way that it's supposed to and so you just don't and that can Be like you can and I I don't know I kind of feel like I do this to some degree But like even as an adult you'll feel like you're you're forgetting things as they're happening and you have big memory gaps and stuff and it's because you were Operating in a place where your nervous system is not working the right way.

[00:12:01] Olivia: Yeah,

[00:12:02] Olivia: I feel like I forget things really quickly, like even just movies, like I, I can re watch movies over and over and over and over again cause I forget them.

[00:12:12] Zach: Yeah.

[00:12:12] Olivia: love them, but I forget them very quickly.

[00:12:15] Zach: It sounds borderline obvious now that you say it, but I've never thought about it that way that your brain can only do so much at once. Um, and

[00:12:24] Victor: Yeah.

[00:12:25] Zach: I'm tracking with it cause like, I've kind of a freakish long term memory. Like, I can remember things for a long period of time, and I remember my, my child in, like, pretty, like, vivid detail, but, uh, yeah, my, my short term memory is dog shit, which I, you know, if I'm just, like, rolling with that theory off the top of my head, it, it, it, it would make sense that, like, like, I'm a highly, uh, anxious person at, like, a low simmering level, like, I'm constantly a little bit anxious.

Uh, but I, I don't have a lot of like out of control. I've had like a few panic attacks in my life, but like they were caused by like lack of sleep and, and uh, chemical compensation. Like, uh, there weren't usually caused by like real, like, like they're almost like a physical condition more than, you know, something that was like came from trauma or outside stimuli.

Um, so it makes sense that To me, that uh, like a lot of short term bullshit, like where I put my keys, or whatever, might like... Bounce off me but for but for the most part like stuff is getting through and like being stored in long term storage because it's not I'm not usually so fight or flight that I'm like blocking things out entirely

[00:13:36] Victor: Yeah. That's really interesting to think about, like the different ways that, uh, cause our, all our brains are kind of like growing, um, like independently and, and Like, adapting and developing, like, structural ways to deal with, like, continuous reality that, like, basically just, like, your brain has formed in a particular way that's, like, okay, like, always be at a certain level of anxiety, and also dump the short term stuff, it doesn't matter, but remember to retain, like, those longer term stuff.

And like all of these little patterns that are like unique to you just so it's

[00:14:13] Olivia: How, uh,

[00:14:14] Victor: how the like Houseplant that is your brain grew over the the like different ways. It was structured. I don't know. It's just interesting

[00:14:21] Zach: then at a certain point it's like really hard to rewire like after what 25 something like that

[00:14:26] Victor: yeah,

[00:14:26] Zach: I think after

[00:14:27] Olivia: it's too late for any of us, so. I

[00:14:30] Zach: I think I've heard it after seven years old It starts to become less malleable and then like 25 is when it's Kind of is what it is.

[00:14:38] Olivia: think, I think that's wrong, though. I think your brain is always malleable.

[00:14:42] Zach: Oh yeah, no, I'm, but like, Like, if you want to raise your child bilingual, they say to try to teach them their other language before 7 years old, because that's when

[00:14:50] Olivia: oh, that makes

[00:14:50] Zach: when it's easiest, so.

[00:14:52] Olivia: Well, 25 is, like, when your brain development roughly stops. Or, as far as, like, growing. I actually heard recently, though, men, I believe? are like not fully matured until like age 42 or something. Can you google

[00:15:11] Zach: yeah, learning forever.

[00:15:13] Victor: No, I just want to believe that. I don't need to learn anything else about that.

[00:15:17] Olivia: Google what like when are men fully mature?

[00:15:20] Zach: Mature, like, cerebrally.

[00:15:23] Victor: mature.

[00:15:24] Zach: you mean emotionally, it's more like, 82.

[00:15:27] Olivia: Formal research,

[00:15:28] Victor: suggests men become mature around 43. 

Oh my god.

[00:15:31] Olivia: god. Okay.

[00:15:33] Victor: Uh, but that's like, I think that's like emotional maturity. Like, a recent study found that men and women alike believe a man is fully mature around 43. While they believe that women are fully mature at 32.

[00:15:44] Zach: What about neurologically?

[00:15:45] Victor: Yeah.

[00:15:46] Zach: Fully developed in their mind grapes.

[00:15:49] Olivia: mean

[00:15:50] Zach: When is the brain fruit ripe?

[00:15:52] Olivia: Where do you separate those things though? Like emotional maturity is like You Just as much a part, a product of your brain development.

[00:15:59] Victor: This still says 25. 

I don't 

[00:16:02] Olivia: it can also be never like fully.

[00:16:05] Zach: Well, yeah, if your brain develops fully into a narcissist at 25.

[00:16:09] Olivia: Yeah, you're never gonna be an emotionally mature person,

[00:16:13] Victor: I don't know. This just feels like fucking patriarchy to me. Like, you got fully 11 more years to be, like, in development before people expect you to be a mature 



[00:16:24] Olivia: I think you're right. I think that that's just like, cutting men. Some slack

[00:16:28] Victor: Yeah.

[00:16:29] Zach: Or retroactively explaining a lot of behavior.


[00:16:32] Victor: Right.

[00:16:33] Olivia: Zach, do you have anything? 

[00:16:51] Zach: Nothing substantial. I know I had a dream last night where I was trying to operate a really weird cell phone

[00:16:58] Olivia: Yeah,

[00:16:59] Zach: and it had to do with like, I was trying to get in contact with And I hadn't heard from her in a minute. And I just wanted to know if the phone was working. I wanted to know if she had got, cause it looked old, like an old Nokia brick.

But it did everything that modern smartphones do, but it only had like two buttons. So it was a pain in the ass to like, go through all these different menus and sub menus to get to the thing you were trying to do. And I just wanted to know if I was even connected. To a cell tower to know if, if she was just busy and wasn't, or if she wasn't getting my messages and, and then an, an ex started blowing me up on the phone.

So I was like, okay, it's working, but this is the opposite of what I wanted in, in, in terms of communication. That's all I remember from the dream. Uh, it doesn't feel like a whole, a whole thing to, to dig into, but it was an interesting mechanism.

[00:17:52] Victor: yeah, do you have any thoughts on what it might mean?

[00:17:55] Zach: I mean, Shelby and I are both getting pretty tired of being long distance and we're working on her moving here. So I feel like it was. An anxiety about like, and it's been a busy week. We've had a couple days where we've been barely able to talk. So I think it's just separation anxiety,

[00:18:11] Victor: Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:18:13] Zach: but Olivia, didn't you say you've been able to see your phone and your dreams?

[00:18:18] Olivia: Yeah, I've, and lately I've been like reading books in my dreams, which I've not had that. I feel like my ability to see and find details has gotten better and better.

[00:18:32] Victor: It means you're also writing books in your dreams.

[00:18:34] Zach: Yeah, sure.

[00:18:36] Olivia: it's true.

[00:18:37] Zach: Unless you have a 


[00:18:39] Olivia: solved an anagram in a dream recently.

[00:18:42] Victor: I find that so hard to believe.

[00:18:45] Olivia: I mean, I probably didn't actually solve an anagram,

[00:18:48] Zach: what do you mean you solved one? Oh,

[00:18:49] Olivia: There was like a, it was like a puzzle. Like there was a, an answer in the jumbled letters and I like figured out what it was. Um,

[00:18:58] Zach: word scramble.

[00:18:59] Olivia: yeah, word scramble,

[00:19:01] Zach: Um, which I guess is also an anagram.

[00:19:04] Olivia: Yeah, I don't know that, that that's what they were calling it. In the dream. They were like, solve this anagram,

[00:19:10] Victor: but, uh,

[00:19:11] Olivia: But um, but yeah.

[00:19:12] Victor: it

[00:19:13] Olivia: Was the phone screen hard to see in your dream?

[00:19:17] Zach: Well it wasn't a phone that existed and it was so simple. So I could see the whole thing but like you could only look at like two menu options at a time. So I think it was my brain trying to like make a phone work by inventing, the most simple one imaginable. Because normally I look at a smartphone screen and what like whatever I'm trying to find is the only thing you can see on it and the rest will be blurry.

It's like I can see the time, but I can't see anything else. Or the temperature, or whatever, whatever. Whatever I pulled the phone out for, it'll let me see the purpose, but it can't fill in the rest of the details.

[00:19:53] Olivia: When,

[00:19:53] Victor: When we were talking about this, like a while ago, like when I was saying like, Oh, you can't do it. You can't read in a dream. I remember having one dream where my brain was like, okay, we're going to do it. We're going to do this. But then it wasn't like holding the phone. It was like, I looked at the phone and then I just got, like, sucked into, like, a, like a full screen view where, like, all I could see was the text on the phone, and that's how I was experiencing it was just, just text.

[00:20:25] Zach: That's what happens when I watch TV in a dream.

[00:20:27] Olivia: Hmm.

[00:20:29] Zach: TV becomes, whatever's on the TV just becomes the dream. It just fills the frame.

[00:20:33] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:20:34] Victor: I don't know why that reminded me of this, but I tried to play Super Mario 64 on hallucinogens one time because I was like, oh, it's gonna be so trippy, it's gonna be so cool. But it's like, when I was... Doing that it was like I wasn't tripping. It was like it was like an anti drug. 

It was just like

[00:20:54] Olivia: stimulation.

[00:20:55] Victor: yeah It was just like I was like fully sober when I was trying to play this game And then why I'd went to do something in reality then I was like, oh wait.

No, I am on drugs

[00:21:04] Zach: Ha ha ha. When you step, when you step away and everything still looks like Mario 64. That, that, that game apparently creeped a lot of people out. Like, there's something unsettling about it, uh, cause there's a lot of creepypastas about it and a lot of... My YouTube algorithm is all just like spooky videos cause that's what I mostly watch at night when I'm trying to fall asleep.

Cause it's like people's creepy ring doorbell footage. Um, but yeah, I don't know why that game like hit a weird chord with a lot of people. I never felt that way about it, but

[00:21:37] Victor: was like the, like, flagship game for the N64, right? 

So it like, makes sense. It's like, kind of, so many people, everybody played it, you know? So it kind of makes sense that it would like, worm into people's brains like that.

[00:21:50] Zach: Yeah. But you wanna get into one of your dreams, Olivia?

[00:21:54] Olivia: I've got two that happened on the same night. That, I'm having a hard time picking between them.

[00:22:01] Zach: Are they both long?

[00:22:02] Olivia: Uh, No,

[00:22:04] Victor: whichever one doesn't have me in it, just for fun, I don't know,

[00:22:08] Olivia: You're not in either of them.

[00:22:10] Victor: Okay. Alright, well, do the one that you wish I was in.

[00:22:14] Zach: The one that could have used a dream clippy.

[00:22:17] Victor: Yeah.

[00:22:18] Olivia: Okay so I was at the wedding of a friend who is actually the sister of my friend, um, and this dream sort of took place in the house I grew up in. I don't know, it like didn't really look like it, but I had the feeling that it was it, um, which is different from the other dreams that I've had that take place in that house. And all I remember from being at the wedding was talking to the weekend,

[00:22:50] Victor: We all know what that's about.

[00:22:53] Zach: been watching more of the Idol.

[00:22:55] Olivia: Which, if you haven't seen The Idol, don't. It's a terrible show. It's

[00:22:58] Victor: Yeah.

[00:22:59] Olivia: really, really quite bad.

[00:23:01] Victor: just got such raw sex appeal on that show.

I'm not surprised that he's wormed his way into your dreams.

[00:23:08] Olivia: It's Um. Okay. Next thing I know, it's the next morning. I like, wake up and The only people that are there are me, and my friend, and her sister, who was the bride, and there are tiny little footprints all over the walls, and I immediately knew that there was an alien abduction, and that they were frogs, they were like frog aliens, I don't know, in my dreams, when aliens come to Earth, they're aliens disguised as Earth creatures,

[00:23:42] Zach: Yeah, I thought, I thought you were going to say cats.

[00:23:45] Olivia: Nope, they were not alien cats, they were alien frogs, and there were little tiny footprints, like shoe prints, all over the walls, like muddy shoe prints.

Um, and everyone else who was at the wedding, I think, got taken away by the frogs. Um, and so we're in the kitchen, which is, I think, the kitchen that I, of the house that I grew up in. Um, I just have a feeling of it, but it really did not look like it. I just, like, felt like that's where I was. And, um, we're thinking, like, we should get out of here because this seems, like, dangerous.

We should probably call somebody. But first I'm, like, making toast for the three of us. I, like, needed to make us some toast. And then I see there's a projector hooked up to the wall. And I'm like, I think the aliens put that there because it wasn't there before and so I like dimmed the lights and to see what was what it was projecting and it was just a still image from that TV show Dinosaurs that you guys told me about.

It was just like a still image of the baby that like literally the picture that Victor showed me when we were recording the podcast.

[00:24:57] Zach: I'm the baby, gotta love me.

[00:25:00] Olivia: Um, and like, I just made a, like, remember making a comment about them, like, watching that or something. Um, and that's kind of all I remember. Uh, but, um, the reason why I picked this dream was because I was, when I was talking to Steve earlier today about, like, dream homes, I, I mentioned that, like, I just had a dream where it, it felt like it was that home, but there, it didn't look like it.

And he was like, that's where you should look at the details of, like, what's different. If it's not usually. different from how it is in real life, you should look at that and see if you can get some additional meaning in those details.

[00:25:39] Victor: Um, okay. 

So, uh, it was, it was a wedding and it was at an old house of yours.

[00:25:47] Olivia: the house I grew up

[00:25:48] Victor: The house you grew up in, wedding at the house you grew up in. Okay. And what, what was different about the house?

[00:25:55] Olivia: like everything, it didn't look like the house at all. Like, I'm not even gonna,

[00:25:59] Victor: gonna,

[00:26:00] Olivia: honestly, I don't even feel like the wedding had, was at the house as much as the, like the next morning, like the alien abduction and like being in the kitchen that felt like it was the house I grew up in.

[00:26:13] Victor: Okay, and um, did you know any like you said there was the bride and her sister are either those real people that you know, okay

[00:26:24] Zach: Sisters in real life.

[00:26:26] Olivia: Yes,

[00:26:28] Victor: do I know who

[00:26:29] Olivia: yes.

[00:26:30] Victor: Okay


there's any key information, but I mean think about like You can, you can talk, uh, like, anonymously, but if there's anything about who they are in your life.

[00:26:41] Olivia: Okay, well, I'll just give them pseudonyms. Um, quick, lady pseudonyms. Okay,

[00:26:51] Zach: Flabile. Janice

[00:26:52] Victor: Chris, Chris and Krista,

[00:26:55] Zach: and Tanis. That's not confusing.

[00:26:58] Olivia: I'm gonna go with, 

[00:26:59] Zach: Captain Crunch and, and Captain Planet.

[00:27:04] Olivia: Uh, okay, I'm gonna go with, Kate and Janice. Kate and Janice.

[00:27:12] Zach: Okay.

[00:27:12] Victor: and Janice.

[00:27:13] Zach: I got one in.

[00:27:14] Victor: So Kate's getting married,

[00:27:17] Olivia: No, Janice is getting married.

[00:27:21] Victor: Are you, are you better friends with Janice or

[00:27:24] Olivia: So, I'm friends with Kate. Janice is Kate's older sister. 

[00:27:29] Zach: And 

that's who's getting married in the dream.

[00:27:31] Olivia: yeah, the only thing I can, like, think of that's, like, relevant is that, um, we recently saw Kate, and Kate was telling us about, like, in real life, we recently saw Kate, and Kate was telling us about Janice. relationship and that it was like, it's complicated 

[00:27:51] Zach: a situation ship.

[00:27:53] Olivia: Yeah, something like that.

[00:27:55] Victor: Okay. Okay. So then the flow of the dream was, there's the wedding, you're, you're flirting with the weekend, you really think something's going to happen there. But then somehow that gets interrupted, and so you end up back at your childhood home that doesn't look like your childhood home.

[00:28:13] Olivia: I was at the wedding talking to the weekend, and then everyone went to sleep. At some point it was like, I just wake up the next day and it was like we were at the home that I grew up in. Maybe the wedding took place there. Maybe not. I'm not sure.

[00:28:28] Victor: Okay. So it was your childhood home. What did it look like though? What was it actually?

[00:28:35] Olivia: I would say the main difference is that like the, it felt like the, the walls were really bright.

[00:28:42] Victor: really bright,

[00:28:43] Olivia: Like it was lighter in there and it just was like a, it was a different house. It like just was laid out differently, but like the main thing I can point to is that the only thing I can like say was that there were bright white walls.


[00:28:58] Victor: How did this space make you feel?

[00:29:01] Olivia: well, I was a little unsettled because there were little alien footprints all over the place. Yeah,

[00:29:08] Zach: been able to stop picturing frogs with shoes.

[00:29:13] Olivia: Yeah, no, I remember thinking in the dream, like, were the frogs wearing shoes? These are shoe prints.

[00:29:20] Victor: But like if you can divorce the space from like the the frog prince and the the alien situation did it feel like a safe

[00:29:29] Olivia: Yeah, it felt, like, light and airy and, um, breezy.

[00:29:34] Victor: Okay. And that's also how you feel about your childhood home.

[00:29:38] Olivia: No. Okay,

[00:29:39] Victor: Hmm. Okay. Okay. So childhood home, but better than your childhood home. Brighter

[00:29:47] Olivia: your childhood home, I would say I, I actually don't feel that way at all about my childhood home. I have, like, an attachment to that home, but that is not how I feel about that home. I was a really scared child and, like, I had a lot of anxiety and OCD and I just, like, I don't know. I don't have, like, light, airy associations with that space.

[00:30:09] Victor: So would you say maybe how you felt and like this, like very bright. Like kinda light, airy space is maybe like how, how you would picture an ideal childhood home or like how you, you would feel in a more, in a more perfect childhood home.

[00:30:26] Olivia: personal setting?

[00:30:27] Victor: I mean, I think what I would want from Gotcha. Okay. So like, go ahead.

[00:30:38] Zach: Also, we're aliens, because I know we've had alien versus ghost conversations and how you're more afraid of aliens. I'm more afraid of ghosts were aliens of fear at that time, or is there something about the concept of aliens that resonates? With the thing that, or the set of things that made you a anxious child.

Did that make sense?

[00:31:02] Olivia: Um, are you asking if I was scared of aliens as a kid?

[00:31:06] Zach: Yeah, or is there something about the concept of aliens, the thing that makes them scary to you, 

that resonates with whatever was actually making you a scared child?

[00:31:16] Olivia: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, no, exactly that.

[00:31:20] Victor: So let's get into that. 

[00:31:22] Olivia: 1000%. Yeah, the reason why aliens scare me is that they're like, you can't do anything about them.

[00:31:31] Zach: Right.

[00:31:31] Olivia: in charge. They're fully the authority. If an alien... comes here from another planet and wants anything to do with me. I am powerless. and uh, yeah, I definitely like felt that way as a kid.

Like, I felt like there were forces outside of my control. I felt like I was always like grasping to control things that were outside of my control. Um, as a kid.

so yeah, that, that does kind of make sense to me.

[00:32:01] Zach: Yeah, did you,

[00:32:03] Victor: sounds good.

[00:32:04] Zach: I was just gonna say, maybe, like, I don't know. I'm just, I'm just imagining that the, the, the, the fear of like the concept of aliens has to do with like a lack of understanding the moral alignment of the authority figures at hand. You know what I mean? Cause like, I get excited about aliens and I'm not scared of them, but I, there's part of me that believes that they might be benevolent or at least like answer questions, but it seems like maybe you, like there's a big part of you that's afraid that whatever is in control is not going to be in your best interest.

[00:32:33] Olivia: Yeah, that resonates. Um, cause I, I think, like, as a kid, I felt like, you know, you're a kid, you, you are not, you're not in control. There's a lot of stuff happening that's like, you can't do anything about, and you're just along for the ride. But I remember, like, really distinctly, like, a pattern was feeling like the decisions made by authority figures around me were like, like, I could tell that they were stupid and unsafe.

And, like, I felt like, like I knew what the smart adult decision was at any point, and it was not usually, or it wasn't always being made. but I, there was nothing I could do about it.

So, like, maybe that is, like, where my distrust in the aliens comes from. I'm just primed not to trust authority. 

[00:33:24] Victor: Yeah, and, um. So it sounds like something that, uh, was on your mind as a kid was like the, the need to, to have some degree of control or power in your life, um, to be able to protect yourself and to, to keep things safe. Um, and aliens are like, overwhelmingly powerful from your perspective. And so maybe what they connect to is like, Your fear of powerlessness.

[00:33:52] Olivia: Yeah, that checks out. That, that all checks out. I'd be curious to see,

[00:33:58] Victor: like,

[00:33:59] Olivia: like, the next things that, like, stick out to me about this dream is that the aliens were frogs. I don't know what that was about. It looked like there were, like, thousands of them. Based on how many footprints there were. And then, the other thing was that I, like, remember distinctly feeling like we needed to get out and, like, go call somebody or do something, but I was there, like, making toast for everybody.

[00:34:24] Zach: Oh yeah,

[00:34:26] Olivia: I don't know. I'm not really sure why that felt like the thing to be doing.

[00:34:32] Zach: so weirdly, um, passive but time based food to make. You know what I 

mean? Like, Like, you put it in and then you just wait. Like, there's something about toast that resonates with the idea of anxiety to me. Because if I'm in a hurry, like waiting on toast, two minutes feels like an eternity.

[00:34:53] Olivia: I was also making it on, like, a skillet or, like, on a, like, a griddle, which is not how I typically would make toast. It was fancy toast. It was like green. I don't know, but like in like a gourmet kind of way. It was like pesto toast or something. I don't know.

[00:35:11] Zach: I want some of that.

[00:35:13] Victor: sounds good. Um, did you see the alien frogs?

[00:35:18] Olivia: Nope. Oh, but I remember hearing about them at the wedding, actually, now that I mention it. I had like, heard about them before they came. Like, there was like a rumor about alien frogs. Heh.

[00:35:30] Zach: Uh, the Dream Bible entry for frogs might be interesting. Be relevant.

[00:35:34] Victor: Can I read it?

[00:35:35] Zach: I can.

[00:35:36] Victor: Go for it.

[00:35:37] Zach: Okay. Um. To dream of a frog represents situations in your life that harmlessly don't listen to you or annoy you, that they aren't what you really want to experience, often a symbol for experiences that leave you jealous that something isn't working out, jealous of not having your choice.

Disappointments or feelings about goals that have escaped your ability to achieve them. Relationships or situations that fail or don't happen as you expect them to. Jealousy that what you want to experience eludes you or is not as easy as you thought it would be. People in your life that, oh, that are good listeners? It feels like a departure, but, uh, Oh, people in your life that are good listeners, but don't do what it is that you really want. Some area of your life that just isn't. Frogs in a dream may be a sign that you need to accept a non functioning situation, relationship, hope, or promise as never doing what you would like it to do.

[00:36:31] Olivia: I just love the, some area of your life that just isn't.

[00:36:36] Zach: Yeah. Yeah, a lot, it has a lot to do with, like, accepting dysfunction and giving up on changing it.

[00:36:42] Olivia: Um, yeah, I feel like that's exactly where I'm at. Um, with a lot of, with some particular things, I guess. Like, there's,

[00:36:53] Zach: Things and people from that time in your life.

[00:36:56] Olivia: yeah, like, um, you can spend a lot of time, trying to figure out, like, how to make somebody... Treat you differently, or see your perspective, or like, come around and like, be what you want them to be, you know, and that's a trap, 

um, I

[00:37:17] Victor: get stuck,

[00:37:19] Olivia: like, Trying to figure out how I can convince somebody to treat me differently, and, um, I'm not doing that anymore I heard somebody say that, like, a boundary is not telling somebody, don't treat me that way.

It is telling them, when you do that, I'm going to leave the room.

 You can only control yourself, right? So, like, You can say, when you do this thing, this is what I'm gonna do. But you cannot make somebody not do the thing, you know? And so I'm trying to approach things that way, 

I guess.

I'm like, kind of talking around some things right now, but,

[00:38:01] Victor: Talking around some things now, but Yeah, I feel like that...

Green. Oh.

[00:38:25] Olivia: basically.

[00:38:28] Zach: Yeah, I mean, I don't think you have to get into too many specifics for this to like, make sense, you know what I mean? especially when it's like placed under the category of family, like I think everyone can, uh, track with you.

[00:38:41] Olivia: Yeah. I feel like we kind of got to the bottom of that real quick.

[00:38:45] Victor: Uh, uh, uh, we still have to know about toast.

[00:38:49] Olivia: Toast,

[00:38:49] Zach: But real quick, you weren't trying to catch the frogs or find them or,

[00:38:54] Olivia: they were gone. They had, like, fully taken off with everybody at the wedding and taken them back to their

[00:39:00] Zach: okay. Yeah, there's one other thing about trying to catch the frogs and then really specific colors of the frogs. Had meaning black light brown and copper. No green

[00:39:13] Victor: Hm.

[00:39:14] Olivia: I never saw the frogs, but I assumed that they were green.

[00:39:17] Zach: normal frogs. That was also it also made me think of to get all christian y That was one of the ten plagues in Egypt in the Bible was was a shit ton of frogs

[00:39:31] Olivia: Were they wearing shoes?

[00:39:33] Zach: Sandals. Yeah,

[00:39:35] Victor: What was the problem with frogs at that time? That, like, 

they were such an issue. 

[00:39:42] Olivia: to anyone?

[00:39:43] Victor: Why exactly were people so distraught about the frog? Like, I get that they're like a nuisance,

[00:39:49] Zach: true. Because every other plague was like every other plague was water turning a blood Lice, flies, locusts, like,

[00:39:57] Olivia: Locusts

[00:39:57] Victor: make

[00:39:58] Zach: pestilence, yeah, things that eat crops,

[00:40:00] Victor: And then frogs.

[00:40:02] Zach: killing of your firstborn child, yeah, like, all of it is like, hell on earth, and then just f and then just frogs.

[00:40:08] Olivia: just a bunch of frogs.

[00:40:10] Victor: It's just like in, in ancient Egypt, they had like a real problem with frogs. They just didn't like them.

[00:40:18] Olivia: kind of, like, swamp swampy areas? Like, have you ever been to Houston after it rains? That's the only place I can think of that I've actually been and seen this, but like, I've seen it a couple of ti like, every time I've been to Houston. I've been to Houston a couple of times. I have family in Texas.

But both times, it was like, it had just rained, and there were, like, big frogs everywhere, and like, the roads were just like, s bladdered with like frogs that got ran over and like it was like so gross and weird and like it was like the plague but It's like yeah, I mean the only damage they do is like they're just kind of in the way

[00:41:00] Zach: Yeah, I I've seen a fuckton of f frogs at, uh, I think in Florida.

[00:41:05] Olivia: That makes sense.

[00:41:07] Zach: That's the only place we I I can imagine them being, like, kinda creepy en masse. Especially if they're wearing shoes. Heh.

[00:41:15] Olivia: So yeah, I would be tickled by that.

[00:41:17] Victor: I've sometimes lived places where you can hear a bunch of them croaking. In the middle of the night,

[00:41:23] Olivia: Yeah, like where we currently live.

[00:41:25] Victor: Yeah, can we hear him here? I can't remember, okay. Yeah, so here, for example, is one of the places I've lived.

[00:41:32] Olivia: What's toast?

[00:41:34] Victor: What is toast? Uh, to dream of toast represents quickly prepared, simple solutions that don't embarrass you. Feeling good with an easy, simple answer to a problem. Feeling good with an easy explanation that isn't questioned. Negatively, toast in a dream may reflect quick excuses that don't embarrass you.

Quickly prepared simple lies that don't embarrass you. Preferring to lie about something as being simple to avoid difficult explanations.

[00:42:03] Olivia: Hmm. Uh,

[00:42:04] Victor: Example, a young, sorry guys,

[00:42:06] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:42:11] Zach: more stank on it.

[00:42:12] Victor: yeah, I think negative is like explicitly lying, while like the general is like some other kind of Quick way to deal with a problem. Um, Example, a young woman dreamed of eating toast with honey on it. In waking life, she was experiencing her online relationship beginning to fail as her partner showed less interest.

The toast with honey may have reflected her feelings about how easy it was to use her long distance internet relationship to explain her relationship status to people when they noticed she was single. The toast symbolized an easily prepared explanation that is unquestioned and doesn't embarrass her.

That is interesting though, it's like this thing you're doing as a way to avoid, like a real problem.

[00:42:57] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:42:58] Victor: And it's like, oh yeah, I've got an online boyfriend, because it's like you're actually, you wanna, kinda, you're checked out of dating or whatever. And it's easier to say, I have an online boyfriend, than deal with the reality of you not wanting to get out there or something.

That's interesting.

[00:43:15] Olivia: Okay. Let me think if that

[00:43:18] Zach: Applies.

[00:43:19] Victor: in this context was like, you should have been doing something about the frogs, but instead you were making 

toast? It

[00:43:26] Olivia: like we were, we needed to leave the house. Like we needed to leave. 'cause like it felt like maybe the frogs would come back or something. I don't know. Um, but instead of leaving, I was like, stuck there making toast for the three of us.

[00:43:42] Victor: mean, I think that's interesting.

[00:43:44] Olivia: Well, let's hear it.

[00:43:46] Victor: Well, cause, okay, so like you got this, um, idyllic childhood home and then it's been corrupted by something. And you could leave, but instead you're staying in this, like, corrupted experience. And, like, the toast is, like, you keeping yourself there. So, like, ways in which maybe you're letting things from the past still affect you, or letting yourself still be in that house. In some way, you know? Instead of leaving the house because there's alien frogs in your house,

[00:44:26] Olivia: Yeah. You

[00:44:27] Victor: are choosing to hang out and have toast instead of evacuating the house, so to speak.

[00:44:32] Olivia: Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

[00:44:35] Victor: I feel

[00:44:35] Zach: But then what would the simple, like, easy solution be that the toast represents? I guess maybe not setting boundaries, like, just going along with whatever.

[00:44:47] Victor: Yeah, maybe like accepting, like a status quo or like a existing pattern or Whatever. Yeah, compromising yourself, you know,

[00:44:56] Olivia: Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:44:57] Victor: because it is hard to leave hard to leave the house

[00:45:01] Olivia: What does a house 

[00:45:03] Zach: Like a thing where people live.

[00:45:04] Victor: Oh, that's right How's this to dream of a house represents your mindset or perspective on a situation your take on the experience of current conditions? Beliefs or feelings that you are comfortable with your view of an experience that is familiar to you Your opinion or belief about a situation that has become normal

[00:45:25] Olivia: Yeah, that's exactly what you were just saying, isn't it?

[00:45:28] Victor: Negatively, a house may reflect a belief system or habit that you've taken for granted. The type of house is symbolic for how you are thinking about a particular issue. The condition of the house reflects your mental state as you experience something.

[00:45:41] Olivia: Yeah, that all checks out. That all adds up.

[00:45:45] Victor: Yeah,

[00:45:46] Zach: The condition of the house was covered in frog footprints by

[00:45:51] Victor: yeah. And like this, this place that should have been, um, like, this easy, comfortable thing, but it's been, like, ruined by something.

[00:46:04] Olivia: Yeah, yeah, because I do have, like, like I said, I have, like, an attachment to that house. Like, I lived there until I was, like, twelve, right? Um, and, like, I do have a lot of good memories. There, but like, yeah, I, I do think, like my view of it is maybe tainted a little bit.

[00:46:25] Zach: the aliens and by being stuck there making toast.

[00:46:30] Olivia: Yeah,

[00:46:31] Victor: Yeah, like if staying in the house is like you staying with a certain perspective or approach or like way of operating, that's like rooted in like that experience or that time of your life that's connected to the period of the house or whatever, like some kind of like childhood developed perception or pattern of behavior or pattern or relationship or whatever.

It's like you know on some level that you should leave that thing behind because it's not serving you and that you're engaging in You know like easy kind of self deception that lets you stay and the thing you're comfortable with even though it's not good for you

[00:47:16] Olivia: Yeah. No, that feels right. And I feel like I'm at the point, I'm at a place where I'm like aware of those things and actively trying to operate differently, which is a weird place to be on the consciousness continuum. We call this conscious incompetence or conscious competence.

I'm somewhere between there. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:47:40] Zach: Yeah, and then unconscious competence will be you making a more complicated meal than toast. Which is like, I guess, setting healthy boundaries and whatever else you need to do in order to, like, uh, in order to have these relationships in a healthy way? Question mark.

[00:48:05] Olivia: Sorry.

[00:48:06] Victor: outside

[00:48:07] Olivia: Yeah, leaving the house.

[00:48:08] Victor: Leaving the house. Going to barbecue. Yeah.

[00:48:12] Olivia: I think this dream actually directly... Led right into the second dream that I had that night.

[00:48:18] Victor: Oh boy.

[00:48:20] Olivia: Which

[00:48:20] Victor: we go again.

[00:48:23] Olivia: is probably too long to get into.

[00:48:26] Victor: only been doing this for like 15 minutes, right? We just got into it.

[00:48:31] Zach: One hour.

[00:48:33] Victor: I mean, I don't know. I'm down.

[00:48:36] Olivia: Alright, so right after this dream, or right at the end of this, I look outside the window and I see this guy that I went to high school with, who I was not friends with. and like, I go out to talk to him, and then I'm like, kind of transported into his house, which is like, this huge, like, multi level, it's not even a real space, like, like each floor was like, an endless warehouse sized room.

But like, you couldn't even see the end of it, it just went on forever. We were like, in his bedroom, which was, like, you know, the size of a Costco. And then, we were playing with his dog, which was like a poodle, like a white Curly dog and we like played we were playing with Elmer's glue and the dog and we got the dog all covered in glue and then we We were like, oh we need to like go groom the dog.

And so we get into the elevator and Go up

to Like this other floor where his mom was there and she was operating like a hair salon, but it was also like in a warehouse sized endless room. And she was all mad about the dog getting covered in glue and she gave us a hairbrush and a bottle of shampoo and then she said, go groom the dog.

And so we get back into the elevator and I, I asked him which level his room was on and he like, he was like, I don't know. And I realized that I was, like, in a video game, and, like, I had to figure out which level it was, and so I pressed 17. And, um, I think I pressed 17 and I pressed 6. And it took us up to 17.

And when we got there, the elevator turned into like a train car. Like, and we were going really fast outside. And, uh, and it was going up this hill and I looked down and I saw, like, some ruins and someone said, he, like, said something about it. And then I was like, uh, I don't think this is the right way. How do we go back?

And the elevator was like, just say, go back. The elevator said that and I said, go back. And then the elevator slash train car took us back to where the elevator continued. And I just went to, like, several other floors and... Like, on one floor, the elevator opened, and it was just a toilet in a small room. And we're like, we can't groom a dog in here.

And then on one floor, it was just, it opened and it was just a big wheel of cheese. And then, On one floor it opened and everything was way too small. Like, you had to, like, crouch and it was everything was too small. Um, and I think we maybe eventually got back to the bedroom, which, like, it seemed like the best place to groom the dog because everything else was fucking crazy.

Um, that's all I remember.

[00:51:51] Zach: That's all, huh?

[00:51:53] Olivia: That's all.

[00:51:54] Victor: Some Willy Wonka fucking 

[00:51:59] Zach: me think of Richie Rich. Remember that cartoon? The Costco size bedroom sent you an elevator

[00:52:08] Olivia: This is another, like, dream where my brain reached for what seems like such a random person. Like, this was not a person I ever hung out with, but it is a real person that I know of. That I, like, know

[00:52:23] Zach: from high 


[00:52:24] Olivia: school. Yeah.

[00:52:25] Zach: Yeah. That when you said that, I immediately remembered something I meant to say earlier when we were talking about a longterm and short term memory. Um, I feel like when I'm in a better habit of, um, dream journaling and remembering my dreams, my longterm memory is even stronger, which is something that I, I've, I've read that that's core correlated.

Like if you are in a good practice of dream journaling, it will help with your. memory in general. Um,

[00:52:56] Olivia: interesting.

[00:52:57] Zach: and so I just wonder, cause you are really like diligent about, about dream journaling. I wonder if that, like, I just, I haven't thought about any rando from high school in a long time. And, and consequentially, cause I don't ever randomly remember them in real life.

They wouldn't, I don't think they would show up in my dreams, but I mean, maybe my subconscious would 

surprise me. 

[00:53:20] Olivia: that happened to you. You had that, you had a dream, like, uh, I mean, maybe they weren't a random person, but it, it was , the really wild dream that, like, ended in, like, an amphitheater, and there was a guy that you knew from high school. You guys had sex?

[00:53:38] Zach: Oh no, he was a good friend of mine though.

[00:53:40] Olivia: Oh, okay, okay, nevermind.

[00:53:42] Zach: guys had sex, you broke his arm, you cried while you fucked him. Yeah. I remember that.

[00:53:50] Olivia: Okay, that was, that was a good friend.

[00:53:52] Zach: Yeah. Yeah. But, but when I, in the past, when I've been more diligent about dream journaling and not only do I get better at remembering my dreams every night, I have more instances of just randomly remembering vivid details from like long ago.

[00:54:10] Olivia: Yeah, that's

[00:54:12] Zach: And I wonder if that becomes like a snake eating its tail where the, the better, better memory in real life gives you more detailed dreams. And then. Remembering those gives you better memory, et cetera.

[00:54:23] Olivia: Uh, that, I, maybe. That, I also have had this thing pop up, I don't know how related this is, but like, it reminded me of this other thing that's been happening to me in dreams recently, where I will have

[00:54:36] Victor: have,

[00:54:37] Olivia: I will like remember things from other dreams while I'm dreaming, like, like a detail from another dream will be like a memory in the dream that I'm having, or like it'll be important somehow in between dreams.

But like,

[00:54:56] Zach: And you remember that it is a dream, or you remember it as if it was a memory?

[00:55:01] Olivia: I remember it

[00:55:01] Victor: I remember it

[00:55:03] Olivia: as if it was a dream, but like, when I remember those things, I'll be like, oh yeah, I remember that from that other dream.

[00:55:10] Zach: Weird, that's like... Meta

[00:55:12] Victor: Her brain's all, her brain's all fucked up.

[00:55:16] Zach: Ha ha ha. I need to cat scan.

[00:55:20] Olivia: But it's like, it's almost like, it operates like regular memory, but it's almost like I have a separate memory for within dreams. Like, I'll remember, I don't know, or I'll have like, there's almost like a through line, like I'll have a dream that takes place in a certain place, and I'll remember a dream from like months ago, during, like while I'm still dreaming, that like connects somehow, or like, I don't know, and it feels like it's, there's continuity like in that storyline or something, I don't know, that's interesting.

[00:55:59] Zach: I don't think I don't I can't remember a time when I've done that. I'll do it once I wake up and be like, Oh, that was a recurring dream. 

And connect it to a different dream consciously, but I can't remember a time when I've within the dream been like, Oh, this was like, this reminds me of a dream.

[00:56:16] Olivia: Or like, it feels like there's like a, it's like a series or something. Like, I've been having dreams that like, like once every like three months or so, I'll have a dream that takes place. In a certain place with certain people and it feels like those people remember what happened in the last stream that took place in that place.

It's like there, it's like a series. Yeah, I don't know. It's

[00:56:41] Zach: I mean, I have that too, like where like certain types of dreams have like this schedule that they appear on, but. But I can only put it together once I'm awake.

[00:56:51] Olivia: Right, right. Yeah, it doesn't operate like, like a memory thing.

[00:56:56] Zach: Not that I can pinpoint while I'm dreaming. 

[00:57:05] Victor: Well, let's, let's poke around in this a little bit. Um, so, like, we've got dogs, which, you dream about dogs a lot, um, and, um, this kind of checks out with how dogs appear in your dream, I don't think we've ever actually pulled up the entry, but, a dream of a dog represents feelings about areas of your life where you are emotionally protective. The type, size, and color of the dog all reflect how you choose to protect yourself from difficult emotions or confront problems. Um, and there's more on dog, but just moving on real quick.

[00:57:39] Olivia: It was a big white dog.

[00:57:40] Victor: Big white dog, friendly dog, positive experience with the dog. Um, and then glue is interesting. To dream of glue represents a wish or intention to have a situation or relationship stay the way it is.

[00:57:54] Olivia: Oh. Huh.

[00:57:55] Victor: Negatively, glue may represent feelings of being trapped or stuck, feeling unable to get out of a situation or get away from someone. Feeling unable to get a problem or trauma off your mind, 

feeling stuck 

with feelings of being dirty or never being innocent again. Um, so you guys got glue all over the dog. So the dog is protective impulses, emotional self defense, like protecting yourself from difficult problems, and then this glue is like wishing for something to not change.

[00:58:33] Olivia: Yeah, um,

[00:58:35] Zach: then this person's mom comes in is like, get that shit off the dog.

[00:58:39] Olivia: yeah, that reads to me like just going based on that as like, holding on to protective impulses, like, and maybe, I think a lot of the time protective impulses are not healthy. Like, they're like coping mechanisms, right?

[00:58:57] Victor: That's what I was just thinking. Yeah.

[00:58:59] Olivia: Yeah. Um, and like, being resistant to, like, letting go of protective impulses, that's something I've been feeling.

[00:59:08] Victor: yeah, it's like the idea of like covering something in glue to preserve it is like on its face. Like, well, that's not a good way to do that. You're just ruining the thing that you're trying to protect.

[00:59:20] Olivia: I remember doing that to, um, a gourd when I was like, in first grade. I was like six or seven. I like covered it in like Modge Podge and thought that it would like stay preserved forever.

It didn't. It got really gross.

[00:59:38] Zach: Trying to mummify a gourd.

[00:59:40] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:59:41] Zach: How did you feel about the, the mom figure telling, like when she told you to groom the dog were you like, 

oh shit, I'm sorry, you're right, I'll clean the dog, or were you like, oh, I gotta clean the dog now.

[00:59:55] Olivia: it felt just like any time. Anytime you are at your friend's house and their mom is like, Ugh, goddammit, can you please do this? You know, that feeling where you're the friend

[01:00:09] Zach: Yeah, so you're like, 

[01:00:10] Olivia: whose mom is annoyed.

[01:00:12] Zach: I'm sorry Mrs. Johnson.

[01:00:14] Olivia: Yeah, or you just like kind of stand like two feet behind your friend.

[01:00:21] Victor: your friend. What was your, what was your feeling about the friend? Was it the, the weekend situation again? You

[01:00:27] Olivia: I have feelings about this person. Like, I don't, I don't, I was not friends with him. In high school, but I, like, have feelings about him, right?

[01:00:38] Victor: Uh, we haven't named him, right? You can probably express this feeling.

[01:00:41] Olivia: No, yeah. I, he's one of those people that,

[01:00:44] Zach: Negative feelings? 

[01:00:46] Olivia: Um, Yeah, I wouldn't say, like, terribly negative, just, like, There, there's a certain brand of, like, 

[01:00:57] Victor: Super cool guy

[01:00:58] Olivia: No. Uh, like, You ever meet those people who are, like, always doing a thing? Like, they're always kind of, like, performing, like, a funny guy, kind of thing, that, like, you're never quite sure, like, if they're about to make you the butt of the joke, or if, like, I don't know, it just feels like there's There's so many layers of, like, they're doing a thing that you, like, have no idea who they actually are or what they actually think or feel or anything.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Is that just me? I feel like I ran into those people all the time.

[01:01:38] Victor: I definitely know what you're talking about Does that ring a bell for you?


[01:01:42] Zach: yeah, like intellectually, I, I understand what you're describing.

[01:01:47] Olivia: Okay. Yeah, well, like, they were

[01:01:49] Zach: no, I can think of one guy

[01:01:51] Olivia: Okay,

[01:01:51] Zach: like, I, I feel like I generally. Keep people in general at arm's length. So like if I even start to not like somebody, I don't get close to whatever it is they're doing, 

[01:02:04] Olivia: Yeah, 

[01:02:04] Zach: guy I'm thinking of was like in a social circle with me and it was, if I had to describe him in one word, it would be disingenuous.

[01:02:15] Victor: Hmm.

[01:02:16] Olivia: Yeah, and like, I feel like a lot of the time these people were, from my experience, like, really, they were seen as really funny. And like, I went to a small school, so like, I get to know them just by, like, being. in a class of 12 people with them, you know, or whatever.

Um, but like, yeah, I, I feel like this person in this dream was one of, in real life, was one of those people where like, He was always kind of making, like, a little bit of a joke. He was very funny, but like, I felt like, Oh, you're, like, not a safe person, because you're not ever doing, you're not ever being authentic.

And you're, I feel like you would, like, throw anybody under the bus a little bit just to make...

[01:03:04] Victor: Have fun

[01:03:07] Zach: Yeah, this guy that I'm thinking of, I would have fun hanging out with him because we would do bits together. I remember. One in particular, we would, we used to go to the, we called it the poetry shop in Boulder. It was a bookstore and coffee shop and yadda yadda. We would sit outside with a little espresso, smoking cigarettes, and we would catcall bros as they walked by. would just yell up, we'd see some like beefcake and be like, Are you juicing dude? You cut, you look like you're cutting bro, you going through a cutting phase? Looking real tight. Um, and it was like, it was like funny, but then we would go back to his place for like a beer or whatever and it would just be the two of us.

And I would think, okay, now we're going to 

be, be ourselves. And then he would do a new thing and I'd be like, okay, but who, who are you though?

[01:03:59] Olivia: Yes. No, that's exactly what I mean. That's exactly what I mean. Um, so yeah, those are the feelings I have about this person. but in the dream, he wasn't doing any of that. He was like very much neutral. And I, again, I, at a certain point I realized that I was playing a video game and like he was not real.

I think.

[01:04:23] Zach: That

[01:04:24] Victor: So he was just part of the game?

[01:04:26] Olivia: Yeah, like, he was a part of the game. I was, like, when I asked him which floor his bedroom was on and he wouldn't answer, it was like, that was part of the game, that, like, I had to figure out which floor was, and every time I went to a new floor, it would label the elevator button, like, giant wheel of cheese, or this is the train floor, or tiny bathroom, or whatever, whatever we figured out, so, like, it would replace the numbers, and I was just having to eliminate them to figure out how to get back to The bedroom.

[01:04:59] Zach: yeah, those do seem to be under the, or within the same theme, the video game and the, the archetype of this guy. I mean,

[01:05:07] Olivia: Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

[01:05:09] Victor: I'm skimming the video game thing, and it doesn't like, I'm not immediately seeing... Any obvious connections, it's like, um... The dream of a video game represents feelings about a challenging experience you are having to see how far you can get doing something without failing. Testing how far you can challenge something, pushing limits.

Enjoying a challenging experience to test limits or to avoid failure, feuding, or competition, a win or lose situation. You may also be experiencing a situation where you need to do everything right in order to achieve a goal.

[01:05:43] Zach: so just everything that a video game is,

[01:05:45] Victor: Yeah,

[01:05:46] Zach: we, I remember we looked that one up for one of your dreams, Victor, and it goes into like a hundred different video games that all have their own meaning.

[01:05:54] Victor: yeah, it breaks them all down, yeah. Um, surprise or disbelief that nobody will stop you from taking a situation as far as you can.

[01:06:03] Olivia: what's the elevator?

[01:06:05] Victor: Yeah, and then an elevator is, um, feelings about how easily it is to control how good or bad a situation or experience will be.

 Effortless choice. Awareness that a choice will be better or worse with ease once you make the choice. Feeling about how easy it is to increase or decrease the seriousness of a situation. It's kind of empowering, right? They're both kind of empowering, right? One's like, you're on a mission, and um, I guess there's, there's like stakes, but it seems pretty positive, like that you're going to, that you're like, confronting a challenge, and then the elevator is like, your power over your situation, that you are ultimately in control of whether it goes well or it goes badly, or how serious or un serious it is.

[01:06:59] Olivia: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, like, that, that first stream, I think, like, it felt negative, like, and scary, and this stream felt fun. I don't know, I, I'm not sure that I'm gonna, like, fully connect them, but, like, I do feel like they're, there's a connection, because they, I think the first one led directly, and

[01:07:23] Victor: Mm.

[01:07:24] Zach: Oh, connect the two dreams, you mean.

[01:07:26] Olivia: Yeah, um, but, like, they both. Had to do with houses. I think that that's maybe like the linchpin here.

[01:07:38] Victor: It's really interesting that it was a giant house. How'd you feel about the house?

[01:07:42] Olivia: was really cool. It felt like, like, I don't know. I just wanted to like, explore it, the whole thing.

[01:07:48] Zach: Yeah, which fits in with the, the meaning of video games and kind of seems to tie it to the thing you're doing with the dog, like, like that was kind of exploratory, but with a, with a goal.

[01:08:01] Victor: So this is interesting. To dream of someone else's house represents your mindset through the perspective of whatever qualities stand out the most about that person.

[01:08:12] Olivia: Oh, interesting. 

[01:08:14] Victor: so yeah, I mean, like your feelings about this guy is probably like kind of the key to the whole

[01:08:22] Olivia: Mm hmm.

[01:08:23] Victor: you know, so like, I think the, the key thing that from what I'm hearing is inauthentic, right? And your experience, like something we've talked about lately is you wanting to be like, more authentic

[01:08:37] Olivia: in some

[01:08:37] Victor: situations.

And, um,

[01:08:40] Olivia: Yeah, there are certain, well, we've talked about this on the pod, actually, um, yeah, like, I feel like, uh, very, like, stilted version of myself around my family, um, and I have always felt that way, and like, I don't know how to operate differently, And I, yeah, I just have, like, a lot of walls up around my family, so, uh, that makes a lot of sense here.

What does it say? To dream of someone else's house represents your mindset through the perspective of whatever qualities stand out the most about that person. Yeah. Um, my mindset.

[01:09:28] Victor: So like the first dream it seems like I mean if you want to run with the interpretation we talked about it's like You were keeping yourself in like a less than like not the best Situation or mindset or approach or whatever?

[01:09:45] Olivia: Um,

[01:09:46] Victor: Like you're choosing to stay in the house. That's all wrecked by alien frogs when it is time to leave

[01:09:53] Olivia: Um,

[01:09:55] Victor: and

[01:09:56] Olivia: which,

[01:09:57] Victor: which could be like Like you said, like operating in kind of a stilted way with like your family dynamic or like an inauthentic way and your family dynamic and, and so then you, in this dream are there, there's a couple elements, right?

So like, there's the inauthentic man, uh, who sort of maybe represents the point of the experience. And then you've got like the dog, which is like self defense mechanisms. The glue which is like trying to keep things stable like not letting things change but in kind of a counterproductive way um And then the video game stuff and the elevator stuff are kind of empowering um, so maybe maybe There's a the idea that you have more power there than you maybe let yourself feel that you have Or like you have more control over the situation than you acknowledge or something like

[01:10:55] Zach: Yeah, the um, the house having to do with your feelings around the, when it's somebody else's house, your feelings around that person. It seems like your predominant feeling around this guy, this, this type of guy is like defensiveness and uncertainty, which is definitely Or it definitely seems similar to what you're feeling in your, in your childhood home.

It's just a different set of circumstances making you feel defensive and uncertain.

[01:11:26] Olivia: Yeah, I mean, I would say like, just the, the, yeah, the inauthentic thing really rings true. It's just, I wonder, um, someone else's house represents your mindset through the perspective of the person.

[01:11:44] Victor: Of whatever qualities stand out the most about that

[01:11:46] Olivia: So. That I'm trying to figure out what it means that the house was, like, a huge, expansive, endless, like, maze of a place.


[01:11:58] Victor: Yeah. 

There's a, there's a general entry on sizes. So, to dream of the size of something represents how important you feel something is. A reflection of how powerful, competent, or dangerous you feel a situation or person is exerting. A reflection of you feel you measure up. Your feelings about how big of a deal a problem is, big sizes, may reflect importance, dominance, or the danger of being overpowered. Feeling that an issue is the most important or too dangerous to be ignored.

[01:12:32] Olivia: Feeling

[01:12:32] Victor: that something is impossible to control or defeat. A sign that your anxiety or insecurity may be magnifying a problem in your mind. Your personal history or sensitivity may be making a problem difficult to tolerate.

Feeling that a problem is growing.

[01:12:47] Zach: well, the next guess I was going to take is that maybe the, you know, sorry, one leading into the other, the childhood home into this giant unfamiliar home. Is it the latter is like the world at large, you know, post growing up the, the, the world outside your, your, um, your childhood home and your childhood.

Uh, and they, but it takes on the form of a house because it's informed by, you know, your adulthood is informed by your childhood.

[01:13:18] Olivia: you know, I think that that first dream exists in a place that I am able to interpret. And engage with, and this dream is not quite there for me.

[01:13:34] Victor: That's interesting though, right?

[01:13:35] Olivia: Yeah, it is interesting, and I think there's like, more to be gathered from this, but I don't think I'm gonna get there right now.

[01:13:42] Zach: Yeah. It seems like you have a good start

[01:13:46] Olivia: yeah, I've got some ideas, but like, I can feel myself, um, like, not being capable of grasping this right now.

[01:13:56] Zach: getting lost in the big old house.

Maybe we'll come back to it on a future episode.

[01:14:01] Olivia: yeah, if I have more insights about this dream, for sure. Um,

[01:14:06] Victor: I feel like that definitely means there's something there. Like, if you're having that feeling about it, it means that you're on the cusp of an awareness about something.

[01:14:16] Olivia: yeah, I agree.

[01:14:17] Zach: Which means these themes will come up in a future dream, whether or not you consciously try to connect it to this one.

[01:14:25] Olivia: Yeah.

[01:14:25] Victor: It's like, worth remembering. Maybe write this one down, we'll come back to it.

[01:14:29] Olivia: Yeah.

[01:14:29] Zach: it on the 

[01:14:29] Olivia: I think,

[01:14:31] Victor: I think so.

[01:14:31] Olivia: yeah, I think we'll, um, as we're doing other dreams, we might look back and make more sense of this. So.

[01:14:42] Zach: for sure. One last thing is, this is just funny. You're the room with the cheese and it reminded me of a dream that I had as a, as like a adolescent, I guess in middle school. Um, I, the, the age is important cause I was old enough to understand what sex was, but I had never done it. And that's important because the, this dream was, I was led into a room with a block of cheese.

On a pedestal and I knew that I had to fuck it and I didn't there was no one else there I don't know why I had to do it I kind of felt like it was a punishment or or like something of paramount importance like Something bad was either gonna happen to me or the world at large if I didn't go through with this And I just remember like trying to be like do I can I just use the holes that exist? Can I use my fingers to make a new one? Is it soft enough?

[01:15:45] Olivia: Oh my god.

[01:15:46] Zach: Uh, I just remember like mulling over the practical aspects of having snacks with this cheese. Um, and that's as far as the dream went. And I went to school the next day and told all my friends about it and got a big laugh, but I, I haven't thought about it again until, until you mentioned the cheese room.

[01:16:01] Olivia: My cheese was also on a pedestal.

[01:16:04] Zach: Really?

[01:16:04] Olivia: Yeah, it was on a pedestal and there was kind of like a shining light on

[01:16:09] Zach: Did it have kind of an unnatural looking hole in it that maybe somebody else put there?

[01:16:13] Olivia: You know, Zach, I didn't get a good look.

[01:16:17] Zach: but that's gotta mean something.

[01:16:21] Olivia: Yeah, cheese on a pedestal, apparently.

[01:16:24] Zach: Yeah. And being ordered to, yeah. I'll look, I'll look into that one on my own time

[01:16:28] Olivia: Well,

[01:16:29] Victor: Yeah. Maybe do a 

little private research. 

[01:16:31] Zach: some private research. And an incognito browser. I'll get back to you.


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