24. Seven-Layer Burrito of Déjà Vu

Victor and Olivia got some baby chickens, which Victor would only eat in the event of an apocalypse, and only…...

Victor and Olivia got some baby chickens, which Victor would only eat in the event of an apocalypse, and only after resorting to cannibalism. Zach has an idea for a very marketable restaurant. Olivia fails to take full advantage of a lucid dream about some missing shoes. Zach gets to try out the Gestalt Method on a dream of his about the wrath of Poseidon.   

0:00 Intro

5:47 Olivia's shoes

22:02 Zach's dream

About Dream Bible:

Dream Bible is a free online A to Z dream dictionary dedicated to helping people understand the meaning of their dreams. Unlike other dream interpretation websites or books we extensively research dream symbols by interviewing people about the events occurring in their lives at the time of their dreams.  Inspired by the work of Gillian Holloway Ph.D, we are using a database of over 350,000 dream reports to create the world's most practical dream dictionary based on the waking life experiences of regular people.


Dream Bible entries used in this episode:

School: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=school

Shoes: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=shoes

Ocean: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=ocean

Tidal Waves: https://www.dreambible.com/search.php?q=Tidal+Waves

Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thejungandtherestlesspod/

Check out our website for episode transcripts: https://thejungandtherestlesspodcast.com/

Submit your dreams for interpretation to thejungandtherestlesspod@gmail.com

Episode Transcript

24. Seven-Layer Burrito of Déjà Vu

[00:00:00] Victor: Welcome to the Jung and the Restless. I'm Victor. I'm 

[00:00:03] Zach: Zach. And 

[00:00:04] Olivia: I'm Olivia. And this is the podcast your mother warned you about.

[00:00:29] Zach: We got chickens. You have live chicken? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. They're tiny. 

[00:00:33] Olivia: They're little babies. 

[00:00:34] Victor: We got 'em like a week ago and they've doubled in size. 

[00:00:37] Zach: Where'd you find them? On the street? Just outside. Just, just clocking 

[00:00:41] Victor: around. Hmm. Yeah, they were just picking through the garbage and we thought we'd, you know, bring 'em in and stray chickens.

Yeah, just poking around. They're fighting our dogs 

[00:00:50] Zach: since, um, 

[00:00:52] Olivia: no, it's wild. They, they actually like hatch and then like right when they hatch, they put 'em in a box and ship 'em to like stores and then you buy them like the next day. So they're, 

[00:01:05] Zach: this is real. Yeah. This is no longer the bit, no. So you went to a chicken store and bought a chicken.

I went to 

[00:01:11] Olivia: a feed store and bought five day old chickens. 

[00:01:16] Zach: Five one day old chickens. Yes. Not, not a five day old chicken. 

[00:01:21] Olivia: Five one day old chickens. And they're, they're so cute. They're still shaped like an egg at that 

[00:01:28] Zach: point. What do you, you have like a coop. What are you doing? They just living in your backyard.

[00:01:34] Olivia: Well, right now they're in a bin in the bathroom making a huge mess. Um, but Okay. We do have a chicken coop, so that's ultimately where they will be. 

[00:01:44] Zach: Oh, they're just not, they're not of coop age yet. They're not capable yet. That's cool. I always thought that I would like to have chickens. I was a vegan. It's like the only way I could see myself eating eggs again.

Yeah. I used to love eggs. And if I could see it come out of the like, like, like no thek Shelby and I were doing a bit the other night where I, I referred to it as the shit piss common egg hole. 

[00:02:18] Olivia: Oh 

[00:02:18] Zach: my God. Because 

[00:02:20] Victor: it does, that's enough for today. We can That's that's the end of the episode. Yeah. Maybe record 

[00:02:26] Zach: tomorrow And because it does all those things.

And then I was laughing about like, what if there was a breakfast place called the shit piss common egg hole.

It was just such an aggressive name. I feel like the, like they would greet you at the register, like, welcome to the shit piss cum egg hole. How can I fuck your face?

Like sort of a fat shack model, you know? Right. Oh, overly aggressive food. Um, but anyway, yeah, I'll 

[00:02:58] Victor: take the scrambled cu please. 

[00:03:02] Zach: So an egg white, 

[00:03:05] Victor: egg white.

[00:03:10] Olivia: That's he'll. Take a white Scrabble, scramble, hold the egg. 

[00:03:16] Zach: Um, but yeah, if, if I just had the eggs in my backyard, I feel like I could start, I don't know. I just don't trust. Cage free labels. My 

[00:03:24] Olivia: understanding, it's very complicated because there's like cage free, free range. 

[00:03:30] Zach: Yeah. And they all mean 

[00:03:30] Olivia: different things.

Grass, right? Grass, yeah. But from, I like really dug into this. And the one that seems to be like the most legit one is pasture raised. And they're like $12 for, 

[00:03:43] Zach: yeah. Even the cheap eggs now are like $40. Yeah. It's crazy. So, well the I, the best way to go is what you guys are doing. Just have 'em right there.

[00:03:53] Victor: But it'll be like a year before we start getting eggs though. Like if it takes some time, it's an bit an investment. Yeah. But we didn't really, we didn't even really get it for the egg. Like the eggs are a bonus. I think they're just kind, kinda wanted chickens just for the, just to have them. 

[00:04:08] Olivia: I don't know.

They're really, they're really cute. 

[00:04:10] Zach: Yeah. So you're not gonna turn them into chicken. Definitely 

[00:04:14] Olivia: not. Uh, not gonna eat them. Yeah. Though I, I would consider doing it if we like, had 

[00:04:21] Zach: to If the apocalypse happened. Yeah. If we were 

[00:04:23] Victor: desperate, you know, 

[00:04:26] Zach: we're just kind of stoned. I 

[00:04:28] Victor: like, okay. Uh, apocalypse scenario.

I think I'd probably eat the cat first, then the chickens. Cats. 

[00:04:36] Olivia: Like, that's gotta be cursed. I don't know. You don't care of anybody eating cats? 

[00:04:41] Zach: Well, on the one hand it's a hairless cat, right? No, no, it just looks like it. Oh, okay. I was gonna say he gets that a lot though. The hairless cat is like, I don't know.

That's too witchy to eat. I feel like he would be cursed. Yeah, he, you would 

[00:04:54] Olivia: be cursed if you ate this cat. He is like 20 years old and, and has the soul of a thousand year old wizard in there. 

[00:05:03] Victor: Yeah. He's not hairless, but he has like a bald patch on his back that comes and goes. I don't know why, but it'll just kind of fade in and out with the seasons.

That'll just 

[00:05:15] Zach: something to do with just appear. Something to do with his previous life being worshiped as a God in Egypt. That's why you can't eat that cat. Yeah. Well two fresh dogs though. 

[00:05:26] Victor: Yeah. Yeah. I guess. I guess they are fresh. Are you gonna eat the dogs? I said my order was the cat, then the chickens, then you, then the dogs.

[00:05:37] Olivia: That's fair. I just don't think you'd make it past the cat. 

[00:05:42] Zach: Right? Yeah. Cuz of the curse. 

[00:05:43] Victor: Yeah. Right. Yeah. The cat's what would strike me down. Yeah. So I 

[00:05:48] Olivia: had like a, a lucid dream the other night. Which doesn't happen to me very often. Um, and for being a like, fully lucid experience, it was pretty lame actually.

[00:06:02] Zach: Okay. Glad you brought it up on the podcast then. 

[00:06:05] Olivia: Yeah, well it was kind of funny though. I like, um, I was in like a school. I was in a school and I was looking for my shoes. I was looking everywhere for my shoes. And there were all these different areas where there were like, um, tons of pairs of shoes lined up cuz it was like there were school children who were taking their shoes off.

Um, and I was like looking through all of these shoes and I could not find my shoes. And then at a certain point I, I became like fully aware that I was dreaming and I was like, Ooh, I'm gonna like explore this building cuz this is kind of a cool building. And so I started like going in and out of rooms and there were like a bunch of bedrooms that I'm not sure what they were for.

And then I ran into this old lady who felt like a dream character. I don't know, I don't know how to explain her. She seemed like kind of like a robot or something. And um, like I just knew that she was not real. I don't, I don't know how to explain it, but I, instead of, I was still focused on getting my shoes though.

And instead of just like, I. Even 

[00:07:10] Zach: though you knew you were dreaming and that 

[00:07:12] Olivia: you Yeah. And instead of like making them just appear, I was like, 

[00:07:16] Zach: or accepting that you don't need shoes in a dream. 

[00:07:18] Olivia: Exactly. Um, I was like, you take me to my shoes and then I'm like following this old lady who. Also didn't know where my shoes were.

Um, and uh, I eventually did find them, but um, man, I gotta, I gotta practice my lucid dreaming skills cuz I did not make the most 

[00:07:39] Victor: of that. Yeah. That only feels like half lucid. Like you weren't, you weren't fully in control and fully aware. Right. You were still like, well I gotta find these shoes and then, Yeah, I don't know.

That doesn't feel like as much control as I would consider. Like a full on lucid dream. Yeah. I guess maybe 

[00:07:56] Zach: not. Like, yeah, you're still abiding by your like primary quest and asking for assistance that you didn't seem to fully realize was just another part of you, right? 

[00:08:07] Olivia: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it wasn't really fully lucid.

But I feel like I could have gotten there. Like, I think I maybe like lost. I lost it. 

[00:08:16] Victor: Yeah. You were too focused on the shoes. Yeah, it was 

[00:08:18] Olivia: really like, it took me a long time, but I did find them, but it, it, it felt like important that I got 

[00:08:25] Victor: them. So did you like go to this school or what was the deal with the school?

[00:08:28] Olivia: Um, Yeah, it felt like, kind of like the elementary school that I went to. Um, but it, I mean, it didn't look like it, but it had the feeling of it, I guess. Do 

[00:08:40] Victor: you want like a dream dreamy p b entry? You want me to read you from the dream Bible? Sure. Okay, cool. Uh, yeah. So to dream of a school most often represents social concerns, insecurities or anxieties, worrying anxiety about how well you are being perceived by others or how well you are performing in life.

There's something happening in your life that you are sensitive about or that's very important to be careful about. School symbolizes a state of mind when you are caring about what you were thinking. You may have issues at work or other areas of your life that are weighed heavily on your mind. You were concerned about something.

[00:09:15] Zach: Hmm. So we probably read that in episode three, right? When we three, when we had our tandem dream about school. Definitely. Yeah. Not that I remember what the significance was, but it, it's gotta be significant that. It's a place you have come back to. Yeah. Because I generally don't, I, I also dreamed up about being in a school in that episode, but I generally don't, not a high school or a grade school.

I dream about college campuses a lot. Hmm. Which I was here. Sorry, go ahead. Oh, no, I was just say that was, its, uh, separate entry in the dream Bible. Um, let 

[00:09:48] Victor: me find it again. The level it says here, uh, this feels like bullshit, but it says the level of difficulty of an institution or the grade you are in may reflect how serious or emotionally taxing an issue is.

Mm-hmm. Whereas elementary school may simply reflect, caring about an issue, university may reflect a more serious concern that requires your full and constant attention. Oh, 

[00:10:10] Olivia: that's interesting. That's kind of what I was talking about before, where it's like, I wanna know these types of like how symbols, like, like the, I don't know, the specifics of a symbol and how, um, something might.

Show up for you as an individual, especially like how that specifically means something for your life. Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:32] Zach: Especially places, right? 

[00:10:34] Olivia: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It does seem to be place, like all of the examples that this has come up in have seemed to be places 

[00:10:41] Zach: because we've talked about, you know, what does it mean if it's your child at home versus your first apartment that you lived in?


[00:10:48] Victor: Yeah. It's all like connected to how the human brain works. Right? And like, I mean, I don't know about you guys, but like I have, I have a particular relationship with like, Places or like the concept of, of a location versus like characters or animals or archetypes or any of that stuff, right? Like, um, you know, and it, it's the same kind of thinking of like screenwriting, right?

As like that's a tool in your tool belt is like what, where you're gonna set something, you know, because the setting has an entirely separate, uh, set of, uh, meanings and relationships associated with it that can totally change the meaning of thing going on within it. Right. 

[00:11:29] Zach: You know? Yeah. I always love that people are talking about a movie and they're like, the setting was a character in this one.

And it's like, kind of always should be, right? 

[00:11:38] Victor: Yeah. It should matter, you know? Um, but so I mean, yeah. I think it's interesting, like we were talking recently about how, um, I think it's interesting that like more than characters or like recurring. Like archetypes, like, like, or like recurring symbols. Like places tend to be the thing that you'll have like recurring dreams about.

Like, it, it, you'll, you'll consistently have dreams of returning to the same place. Mm-hmm. More so than seeing the same people or, uh, interacting with the same animal or whatever that symbolism is. It's, it like places seem to be more consistent for 

[00:12:14] Zach: people. Yeah. So would you say this was a similar school to the one you were in, in that tandem Dream episode or any other dreams you've had?

No, this was a unique school. Yep. Which is interesting to me. Cause I'm not sure, even if in real life I went to a variety of, um, K through 12 schools, I feel like they would blend together to me. Like, I wouldn't be able to like pinpoint uniqueness in that envi. There's just like lockers and tile floors.

Yeah. Or, 

[00:12:41] Victor: uh, portables. Did they have those when you were a kid? It might, when I was a kid, even in high school, they had like, instead of having a sufficiently large school, they would just have Yeah. Like, uh, trailers outback. Oh, that they would have classes in? 

[00:12:55] Zach: Yeah, we, we called them annexes. 

[00:12:57] Victor: Oh, okay. Cool.

They called them portables when I was in school. Yeah. Yeah. It's 

[00:13:01] Zach: probably at East Coast, west coast. I, yeah, probably. 

[00:13:03] Victor: Yeah. What's on the shoes entry? Oh yeah. Um, so we, like, we looked at this earlier when you were telling me about this. So, uh, to dream of shoes represents your approach to life or a situation, how you choose to deal with situations, your style or methodology For confronting problems are principles, morals, objectives, or motivations.

Look to the color and style of the shoe for additional. Oh, 

[00:13:25] Olivia: that's interesting. I didn't read that part earlier. These were very sturdy gray shoes. They looked like super comfy and like, really, like, they were gonna get me where I needed to go. And I was like, so did you find, I remember I did find them, yeah.

Okay. And I remember feeling like, um, I remember like feeling especially attached to them because like, they felt like, I don't know, like they felt like my trusty shoes, I don't know. They felt like very reliable. 

[00:13:55] Zach: That's why even though you were lucid, you were all bent on finding them. 

[00:13:59] Olivia: Yeah. I'm just laughing cuz I just saw a, a glimpse of the color gray.

Was it a light gray or dark gray? Um, it was a medium gray. 

[00:14:09] Victor: Well, then I got nothing for you. It's just, it's like got this really dark, uh, meaning for dark gray and then this very kind of neutral meaning for light gray. So it was like, 

[00:14:22] Olivia: I, I didn't have a, I didn't have a bad feeling about the shoes. Like, I don't know.

Um, but the, it says, 

[00:14:29] Victor: can you read it? Yeah. Um, so positively a light gray may reflect acceptance of an alternative or that a problem wasn't as bad as you thought it would be. Lighter shades of gray may also represent the intuition. Light gray can be mistaken for silver, especially in the case of light gray clothing, which then reflects intuitive choices or how lucky you 

[00:14:50] Olivia: feel.

It was definitely dark gray 

[00:14:52] Victor: then dark gray. Okay. Um, so to dream of dark gray represents sadness, depression, ill health, fear or confusion. A general feeling of unhappiness, feeling like a loser, a state of mind that doesn't feel good. You may feel emotionally distant, isolated, or detached, and may also reflect loneliness or feeling gray, being unhappy and not caring about trying to find a positive solution.

Alternatively, dark gray may reflect a lack of fun, boredom, or a complete lack of interest in something, a lack of motivation. Hmm. 

[00:15:28] Zach: So you're in this environment that is your basic bitch problems. As an elementary school, it's the most, most basic, fundamental problems, and you're hell bent on finding your comfy, trusted depression shoes.

[00:15:42] Victor: It's social problems, specifically schools are about social, um, anxieties or social 

[00:15:48] Olivia: conflicts. Wait, in the shoes entry though, there's a whole thing about not being able to find your shoes. 

[00:15:54] Victor: Mm-hmm. So sounds pertinent. This is what we looked at earlier when you were telling me about this. Um, lemme find it.

Dream of being unable to find your shoes. Sorry, Zach, what 

[00:16:05] Zach: were you gonna say? Oh, you, you guys did homework on this already. 

[00:16:08] Victor: We just, you told me this dream this morning or yesterday and I just looked up the, the shoe entry and found this one paragraph. He just read this one paragraph that I'm about to read.

You didn't even really talk about it. We didn't dig into it. To dream of being unable to find your shoes represents feelings of being unable to approach a situation with confidence. Or in a way you are used to doing, feeling that your methods to solve a problem will not work the way you thought they would.

So yeah, if you wanna deconstruct it, right, it's like the school is a social anxiety. Not being able to find the shoes is, um, not having confidence in how you would deal with this, this problem, right? Or like feeling like how you'd normally solve a social problem isn't gonna work here. And then the shoes being comfy, practical.

I'm not sure. Right. Um, the gray does, it doesn't really seem to resonate. 

[00:16:59] Olivia: It doesn't, right? No, it doesn't really add up. I don't think Dream Bible is gonna get us anywhere. With this one. 

[00:17:04] Victor: Yeah. With the shoe. Like with the meaning of the shoes specifically? Yeah. So kind of the examples. Example three. Okay.

Olivia picked out an example, uh, for Esterday. 

[00:17:15] Olivia: I, I hadn't read it. I just, I just saw that it said Nazis, and I'm like, what is this? What is 

[00:17:21] Victor: this about? A man dreamed that the souls of his shoes were worn out and that new souls were only allowed for Nazi storm troopers in waking life. He was living in Nazi Germany.

And once he had exhausted his ability to secretly avoid Nazi restrictions, he felt forced to accept them to continue his life normally. 

[00:17:40] Olivia: Is this an old dream? How'd they get this dream? 

[00:17:43] Zach: Yeah. How long has been Dream Bible been doing these surveys? How 

[00:17:45] Olivia: long have you been collecting data? Dream Bible? 

[00:17:48] Victor: Dream Bible has always been and always will be.

Before there was the internet, there was Dream 

[00:17:53] Olivia: Bible. I mean, I guess theoretically some, somebody could have submitted this as an old dream that they had. 

[00:18:02] Victor: I mean, maybe, yeah, they might have Also, they'd have to be very old. 

[00:18:04] Zach: I mean, yeah, I, there's only a handful of people left that have lived through that.


[00:18:09] Victor: need like a spinoff podcast that's solely about investigating the Dream Bible website, how it works, where this stuff comes from. I wanna meet the man 

[00:18:18] Olivia: behind 

[00:18:18] Zach: Bible. Yeah. Track down some of these people and these examples. Maybe 

[00:18:22] Victor: that was his dream. Maybe like the creator of the Dream Bible. That's their one dream that they've, he's, 

[00:18:28] Zach: he's timeless.


[00:18:30] Victor: Um, yeah. But so, I mean, I think the shoes, the specifics of the shoes probably come down to like what your personal relationship is with them. Right. So it's like, I felt 

[00:18:40] Olivia: really positively about these shoes. Um, I, I thought that they were like, yeah, I thought that they were cute, they looked well cared for.

Um, they had, they looked sturdy, and I just had overall positive vibes about them. Yeah, I was very happy to find them. 

[00:18:59] Victor: Yeah. So may, maybe there is like a sense that, um, like maybe you have some anxiety about how you would handle a social situation, but maybe that the positive experience of the shoes represents, like you coming around feeling like you, you can handle this new challenge or whatever.

Hmm. I don't know. I'm just 

[00:19:19] Zach: talking. Do you feel like being lucid or semi lucid can affect symbology? Cause like, maybe, probably, maybe symbology goes out the window when you're not completely subconscious. That's true. Like 

[00:19:31] Victor: when you were fully in the dream, it was just gonna probably be this perpetual hunt birthing you couldn't find.

And then because you kind of have to control and like hijacked your dream, you got to find your perfect happy shoes that made you feel good. Hmm. 

[00:19:45] Olivia: Yeah. I think at one point, early in the dream, I took them off and like put them down somewhere. Did 

[00:19:52] Victor: they look differently at the beginning of your dream? No.

They looked the same. Yeah. Okay. Did 

[00:19:55] Zach: you have any She perfect shoes. Did you have any feelings about the lady you were trying to recruit to help you? She was kind 

[00:20:00] Olivia: of creepy. She was like, I, and I felt that she was only creepy because I was lucid. I, I don't know. It felt like because I was lucid, she was like switched off or something.

It was weird. 

[00:20:12] Zach: You were aware of, it sounded like you were kind of hinting at the fact that she might be, um, we've talked about this idea before of, um, dream characters that aren't unique to you, but like exist in the dream univer, like the alien cats. Yeah. 

[00:20:25] Olivia: She felt like, it felt like because I was lucid, she was not doing a dream character.

It felt like she was in like a blank state. It 

[00:20:34] Zach: was weird. She, she became an npc. Yeah. 

[00:20:37] Olivia: Yeah. That's what it felt like. 

[00:20:38] Victor: Uh, to dream of elderly people represents experience or the wisdom to know better having been there and done that, blah, blah, blah. Old women may reflect experience with supporting others or being screwed over.

Oh, screwed over. Yeah. Old men may reflect, re, may reflect experience asserting yourself or embarrassing others. That makes sense. Yeah. That checks out. Yeah. That's 

[00:21:01] Olivia: my experience of most old men. 

[00:21:04] Zach: We talked about that one in my, my dream about pushing the old man down the stairs. 

[00:21:09] Victor: That's really like, doesn't that paint a picture?

Of like Yeah. A traditional gender dichotomy. It really does. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right, well we cracked it. Did we? Yeah, let's move on. We talked about it. No, yeah. I dunno. 

[00:21:26] Zach: Do you have any more thoughts, Olivia? I have to pee. Oh God. Me too. I was just about to say that.

I had a night the other night that was like a lot of dreams and I kept waking up and writing down. I wrote down several dreams the other night, like at different intervals. Um, not a great night's sleep, but I have content. Uh, yay. Awesome. And I'll just do one of the few that I had and, uh, there's a couple reasons why I wanna do this one, but the way I wrote it down, it's not as unhinged as the way Olivia writes.

I'm down in the middle of the night. Uh, but it's no, the way you do, it's actually funny. This is just hard to read. So, uh, forgive me if I stumbled through it, getting in a skinny boat to go back to an island. Uh, I have a backpack with a laptop, which can't get wet. Um, so yeah, I do. There's like, I'm gonna have to fill in some stuff that I didn't write down that I just remember.

We were, they were like on, we were on, like, it was me and two friends. Who I don't, I didn't recognize from real life. It was like a dude and a chick. Um, and we have this like long skinny canoe and we're getting ready to take it out on the ocean. Uh, and like I said, I have this backpack with a computer in it and we're trying to figure out how we're gonna do this cuz there's only two benches and there's three of us.

And um, at one point the girl goes, fuck it, I'll just lay underneath the benches, like you guys sit up top and I'll lay along the bottom. And at that point I had deja vu within the dream, which was a new experience. I'd never had that before, which is part of why I want to do this dream the day. Cuz in the dream I was like, oh, I knew you were gonna say that.

I knew that was gonna be your solution because I've had deja vu about this moment before. And then side note, sidebar. I told Shelby about this dream just a couple hours ago, and while I was telling her that part she was having deja vu, like she, she was sitting on the couch at her, her place and she was listening to me, held that part, and, and she knew that the girl in my dream was going to say that thing before I said it, that I knew she was gonna say it.

What the fuck? Yeah, there were like, there was like a seven layer of burrito of deja vu. Um, so that was weird. And like a horror 

[00:24:10] Victor: sting right there. Like Chun 

[00:24:12] Zach: Chun. Yeah. Um, but anyway, we take the boat out to the ocean, but the waves are like way too violent and it's, it's like a rocky, like other dreams I've had, it feels less like it has the expanse of the ocean, like looking out at it, it looks like, um, the Pacific Ocean looks here in California, but the beach itself felt more like, um, like Lake Washington, which I used to live next to.

Hmm. Um, so it's, you know, a smaller beach, a little more rocky. Uh, but for a minute, like we can't take off cuz it's too choppy. But we're just having fun goofing around in the water. Water. Like we're just playing around. And the waves are doing all these like weird things like going, like, sometimes the waves will shoot like 20 feet in the air and run parallel to the shore instead of against the shore.

Uh, and we're just having like a blast like jumping around and like playing with the waves and somehow I'm keeping the backpack dry the whole time. Like, I'm still having fun, but I'm, I'm cognizant of not getting this laptop wet. Uh, and then I see this like huge epic wave coming, like, like tsunami status.

Oh, and so I, I run up the, there's like a cliff side, like, like a only 20 feet high sort of cliff side, uh, made of rocks. And I scramble up it real quick and I get over to the top of it and, you know, run out in the grass away from the shore. I manage to get out of the, uh, destruction zone of the wave. But my two friends just get like, like, I don't have the sense that they're harmed, but they're like pummeled by the wave.

And, uh, as I see it like crashing down, I hear like a out in the distance, like a man yelling out like from way far away. And then somebody in the dream, presumably one of my two friends says, Man, that one got a motherfucker way out in Anaheim. And at that point I laughed so hard that I wake myself up.

Like I was, I was waking up giggling. Hmm. 

[00:26:03] Olivia: Um, I had a dream about a tidal wave like the other day 

[00:26:07] Zach: too. Oh really? Yeah. How long ago? 

[00:26:10] Olivia: Uh, probably like, I don't know, I, maybe like a week ago or something. 

[00:26:15] Zach: Okay. Yeah, this was probably like three or four days ago. I just wondering if maybe it was another tandem dreaming that maybe you, did you lay on the bottom of the canoe so that two men, no two men could set up top?

Maybe. Maybe that was you. 

[00:26:25] Olivia: Maybe that was me. Oh. But I also remembered that one of my dreams that we did there was a laptop in a canoe. Um hmm. 

[00:26:34] Zach: The one one that we've done on the pod. 

[00:26:36] Olivia: Yeah. Well, it was the one that had like two back to back dreams doing different things. But like the first one was like, someone stole my laptop with the robot owl.

Oh yeah. And then the next one there was like the canoe and I like beat someone with the paddle. 

[00:26:51] Victor: Yeah. That was like, there was a laptop in the first one and a canoe in the second one. Yeah. But 

[00:26:55] Olivia: they were like repeating the same 

[00:26:56] Zach: thing. Yeah. And we never figured that one out, right? Not right. Not yet. Maybe this is the key.

Yeah. Maybe hearing us go over these symbols again with me. We'll, yeah. Kick something loose for you. Yeah. Well, what, 

[00:27:08] Olivia: what feels like, what if we do like a little hybrid thing? Like what, what symbol felt like the most, H held the most energy for you. Yeah. Maybe we can start with 

[00:27:17] Zach: that. Yeah. I was gonna say, because we've done some of these symbols before with the Dream Bible and I have, maybe you wanna gestalt it?

I haven't, I haven't tried the Bobas method yet. You both have. Oh, you both have. 

[00:27:27] Victor: Oh yes. One of, if something resonates. 

[00:27:32] Zach: Yeah, I think it would be worth looking at like, like wave and canoe. Yeah. Again, but, well, 

[00:27:39] Olivia: let's, let's start with Gestalt and maybe just take a minute and think what symbol held the most Yeah.

[00:27:47] Zach: Energy for you. My instinct is the pivot point or like the most impactful symbol is the, the, the, the wave at the end. Like not the, not the waves in general, but the tidal wave at the end 

[00:27:59] Victor: that's got like the most energy for you. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Let me try and pull up the, um, The question. Okay. Um, just try and just try and get into the head space of the wave.

Try and try and be the wave, be like water. Um, okay. And then I will run you through these questions and I think what we've experienced is like, first thought, best thought with this instead of like, ruminating on it too much. Yeah. Don't intellectualize it. Yeah. Yeah. Just like, whatever immediately comes to you.

And I'll, I'll 

[00:28:34] Zach: write it down before getting into it. It, it does feel like, I feel like maybe you guys had a similar thing where you're like, how am I going to embody Hmm. This thing? Cuz it's, there are two other human beings. In this dream, these two like anonymous friends, but they don't feel substantial.

Yeah. Like I, I can't really attribute much to them other than being companions. Yeah. The laptop was something I was protective of. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:28:58] Olivia: I felt like the laptop, the canoe and the wave had like energy as symbols in there. Yeah. And that any of those could work for this. 

[00:29:07] Victor: I definitely had that experience when I was trying to embody that slide in that dream.

It's like, okay, I am a, I'm a feature of the landscape, but like, once I kind of let myself go there, I actually did find it really 

[00:29:20] Zach: insightful. Yeah. But the, but as far as feelings go, the, the tidal wave had a market feeling where it was like, A big epic thing that was happening and, and felt significant.

Whereas the laptop was just like, it felt like a real world laptop. Like, like it holds monetary value, uh, practical value. I can't get it wet, but throughout the whole dream, I was just successfully not getting it wet and like it was, it was very back of the mind sort of thing. Yeah. I 

[00:29:47] Victor: think they say to try and, um, try and embody whatever holds the most energy for you.

So if, if the wave is like, what felt like it had, um, some real significance, then that's absolutely the like, what you should be diving 

[00:30:03] Zach: into. Yeah, the waves in general, cuz they, they all, they were, all of them were fun and they had weird shapes. Like I said, they were running in different directions they shouldn't and being of dimensions they shouldn't be.

But then the one at the end, did it feel alive? I guess, I guess I, I guess I could pick the ocean, but it's kind of one in the same, right? Ocean? Yeah. You could 

[00:30:22] Victor: either, you could try and specifically be that wave. Or you could try, if you feel like all of the waves were sort of one, one being one entity. Yeah.

[00:30:33] Zach: That, that resonates. Yeah. 

[00:30:34] Victor: Okay. Did, did that feel like it had a life to it? 

[00:30:39] Zach: The, yeah. The ocean in general? Yeah. 

[00:30:42] Victor: Okay. Okay. Perfect. Yeah, so, so let's start there. Um, alright, so as the ocean, my purpose 

[00:30:51] Zach: is, Okay. First slot bed slot. What came to my mind is to exist. That feels like an optout, but no, no. 

[00:30:58] Victor: I've, I have found that that's actually the right place to be when I've, um, when I was doing this before, 

[00:31:05] Zach: yeah, that's, but that's what immediately popped in my head.

And then I hesitated for a second cuz I was overthinking it and then I remembered. Don't overthink it. 

[00:31:10] Victor: Yeah. Yeah. Um, what do you guys think? Should we, should we, uh, marinate on that for a little bit? Or should we just go through all of them and then come back around? 

[00:31:18] Olivia: Let's go through all of them once and then come back to, to all of them.

And like ask, we can ask you to like, answer that again. Yeah. And see if, cuz I found that like halfway through, I was starting to embody the alligator better. Mm-hmm. And so my answers were changing a little bit. So it, it might be good to come back and like, let yourself have an opportunity to answer again, but still go with your gut.

[00:31:43] Victor: Okay. So as the ocean run through, my purpose is to exist. Question two. My 

[00:31:49] Zach: goal is, First thing, that knee jerk to be insurmountable. Okay. 

[00:31:55] Victor: Okay. Next. My biggest 

[00:31:57] Zach: fear is, no, nothing comes up for that. It feels like a fearless thing. Okay. The, the feeling. The feeling of being the ocean is sort of like a feeling of being God or a God.

Like, I'm the one, I'm the one who knocks. Okay. Do 

[00:32:11] Victor: you wanna sit with that for a minute or do you wanna move on? Yeah, 

[00:32:14] Zach: let, let's, let's move on. I'll come back to it. Okay. I love, I don't know how to, like, the word that comes up is freedom, but that's not quite all encompassing enough. Uh, it's not just free.

It's like, uh, power, the freedom that comes from power. Hmm. 

[00:32:29] Victor: The freedom that comes from power. Yeah. Uh, I hate. 

[00:32:34] Zach: Hubris is the word that comes up. Hubris. Okay. Specifically like mockery. Like, like Hubert as the ocean. I hate when people think they can just goof around in me and get away with it. 

[00:32:46] Victor: Okay. Uh, and last question I desire or I wish.

[00:32:52] Zach: To be seen as beautiful. That's an easy one. That one came up interesting. That one came up 

[00:32:56] Victor: immediately to be seen as beautiful. Okay. Cool. This feels very reminiscent of some of my, of like, what's come up for me when I try and like, especially the slide, but also some overlap with my doppelganger experience.

It's, um, 

[00:33:12] Zach: yeah. Yeah. I, I sort of felt, I, I was reminded of the slide episode and like some of your answers Yeah. To these same questions. 

[00:33:20] Victor: Well, and I think if you think of it as like an aspect of yourself, right? I think that, um, you and I have some similar drives, right? Like, we're both like, Anxious and driven and creative, you know, creatives and like all of the like neuroses that come packaged with that.

Like the, yeah. Like maybe a little bit of narcissism packed into that. And like, uh, like there's all sorts of stuff that I think and then like 

[00:33:46] Zach: we share self-awareness and self disdain for the narcissism. 

[00:33:51] Victor: Exactly. Right. So I feel like maybe, um, This is coming from a similar place that my, my slide was coming from for you, 

[00:33:59] Zach: you know, could be some of those answers and we'll have, uh, we'll have to come back 

[00:34:02] Victor: through 'em.

They're different. Yeah. That's the thing. It's not the same thing, but it's like it feels adjacent. I, I see myself in, and I'm real you when in 

[00:34:11] Zach: that, and I'm realizing some of those answers came from me thinking about the dream, but standing on the shore, looking out at the ocean. So I think I was in the wrong perspective.

[00:34:18] Victor: Oh, interesting. Okay. Well, that's, do you wanna run 

[00:34:21] Olivia: back 

[00:34:21] Zach: through them? Yeah, yeah. Let's do it. 

[00:34:23] Olivia: Okay. I, I also found it helpful to like close my eyes and like, I don't know, you don't have to do that, but it felt. I'm gonna try to, you like, easier to like be 

[00:34:33] Zach: in. But I'm a very visual person and like I said, I, when I was giving the wrong answers, I feel like it was cuz I was looking out at the ocean in my mind's eye, I wouldn't, I'm gonna close my eyes and try to look at the shore.

[00:34:43] Victor: wouldn't write them off as wrong answers yet, but I would try and Yeah. Instead of thinking of like answers, what you experienced it as from an observer, I would try to feel what it is to be the thing, right? Mm-hmm. Because the, the ocean from its own perspective is an aspect of yourself within the dream, right?

Right. So I would try and just be, be in the body of the ocean. 

[00:35:06] Olivia: Be in the body 

[00:35:07] Victor: of water. Yeah. Be in that body of water and be the thing that is affecting the boat, be the thing that is the big tidal wave of coming at you. Should we run through the questions again? Yeah. 

[00:35:20] Olivia: So, as the ocean, my purpose is to exist.

My goal is to be insurmountable. My biggest fear. Is, this was left blank. I love the freedom that comes with power. I hate hubris mockery when people just think they can goof around in me and get away with it. And I wish to be seen as beautiful. 

[00:35:47] Zach: Yeah. Okay. So this, listening back to that, I was picturing looking at the sh like looking from like literally from a perspective of being in the middle of the ocean, looking out at the shore where my first person perspective took place in the dream.


[00:36:02] Victor: you were picturing the view of from the ocean, seeing yourself on the shore. Yeah. 

[00:36:07] Zach: Okay. Um. And most of that rang true. Still, that still resonated, but I think there is a fear of, the part that was left blank, I think when I missed the first time around is there's a fear of, of that, of that hubris. Right.

It, it's almost like as the ocean, I'm particularly choppy today. Like the, the waves were, were crazy before they came to that one epic wave. Like the ocean was saying, not today. Like, do not traverse me today. And these fuckers are playing around in the waves, like waiting for it to get better. And it feels like that that last big wave came from a place of, like I said, not today.

Hmm hmm. You know, that's, that's the feeling that's coming up for me when I am most. In tune with the ocean. Okay. 

[00:36:55] Victor: So you feel like the, um, the crazy wave is up to that point. We're just like a natural, there was no intention behind him. It was just kind of your state of being. Um, but it was like to not be fucked with.

And then that final wave of the big, the big tidal coming at the boat, that was the ocean's desire to smash the boat, punish those people. It 

[00:37:20] Olivia: feels like, uh, like a lot of this actually feels like a boundaries thing. 

[00:37:25] Zach: Hmm. 

[00:37:25] Olivia: Yeah. Like, like, um, like people crossing boundaries, uh, that are set or that, um, or you feel that they're, they're there whether they're recognized by those people or not.

Um, and then potentially like they're being like, I don't know, maybe an outburst or like a consequence for those people. 

[00:37:50] Zach: Um, yeah, because when we read through it again and I closed my eyes and pictured it from that perspective that did work, Olivia, I did feel more like the ocean. And what I got that time around, especially hearing the answers back, um, is that the ocean was like dark and turbulent because it was sending a message that like you, these people are, they have their canoe, they're setting out to traverse the ocean a day and it's.

The, the, the initial waves are like, um, dramatic, but they're like, they're beautiful. And so the message that feels like it's being sent is, uh, like you can stand on the shore and like, like, uh, admire the beauty of a dangerous ocean. Um, and I'll like, put on this show, but I am saying, don't come in here. And once people start to do that anyway, it's like the wave stopped being fun and it's like, no, this, I said no.

Yeah. Uh, and then it sense that one big one. Um, and then the, the comment at the end about it, getting someone all the way out in Anaheim, uh, and that, that actually feels like it was, um, I sleep with my windows open and I think somebody down the block yelled and it just like leaked into my dream and my subconscious made a joke about it and that, but it does, it emphasizes the like dramatism of that, of that final wave that it's like not just relegated to this beach, but like the entire ocean.

[00:39:07] Olivia: Yeah. Well, do we wanna get into some of the other symbols and see if maybe you can piece this together with something in your life? Sure. 

[00:39:15] Victor: Yeah. Okay. Um, so I've got maybe island since that was the destination that, that was never reached. Got canoe and boat waves, laptop. 

[00:39:27] Olivia: There's also a tidal wave entry. I know.

Oh, okay. I feel like canoe and laptop and, I don't know. Do you feel like ocean or waves or tidal waves? I feel like those are all different. Those are all different dream Bible entries and 

[00:39:42] Zach: maybe like of those. I mean, ocean and tidal wave both seem relevant, ocean and tidal wave. I'm curious how this method works too with, um, taking a different perspective than what you cause I know it's all you in the dream.

Yeah, but since I wasn't the ocean in the dream, I was me and I was. I agree that it feels like this is a boundaries thing with the ocean. So does that mean that me, Zachary, that I'm dreaming about coming up against someone else's boundaries, or am I embodying something else that I feel like is coming up against my own boundaries represented by the ocean?

[00:40:17] Olivia: My first thought was that, but I think that it's probably just dependent on your own, um, 

[00:40:24] Zach: situation. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:40:26] Victor: I think, um, yeah, I, I think I would try and stay open to both possibilities. Well, well, we love some of the symbolism, and since we don't have like, uh, a lead on maybe how this connects to what's going on in your life.

So, um, okay. So should I start with ocean? Sure. All right. To dream of an ocean represents powerful uncertainty in your life. Confrontation with negative situations or negative emotions. Your biggest struggles are most baffling challenges. Feeling that problems are too enormous to travel across The ocean represents navigating through a phase of your life that's filled with powerful uncertainty and enormous challenges.

You are getting through a problematic situation. And then we've got call motion swimming and uh, pink ocean. Oh, none of those. Okay. But, so that is like, you know, difficulty, life's challenges. Um, uncertainty. 

[00:41:20] Olivia: Um, and then navigating or like trying to, trying to travel across it. Yeah. And you were stopped from 

[00:41:29] Zach: doing this.

Yeah. Which initially wasn't. Yeah. Like we were playing around in it. Cause we're trying to, uh, make the, most of the situa we're like, the ocean is too choppy to go out, so let's just goof around until it's better. And then, uh, it got worse. Mm-hmm. 

[00:41:43] Victor: So this is kind of a grim interpretation to throw out there, but just what that makes me think of right, is like, if the ocean represents challenges, right?

Or, um, life's difficulties or something. It could be like trying to soldier on through a different difficult situation, right? Or like, just like trying to power through something. That's where there are warning signs, right? Um, and maybe not taking the warning signs seriously and then those were real, there was really a danger, right?

Um, and so like sometimes I, I guess like the possibility of failure, right? Mm-hmm. Um, that you're trying to meet a challenge, trying to meet a difficult challenge, but that there is the possibility that the big wave will come and flip your boat over, right? So like, I don't know, maybe a part of you processing with or, or reconciling with like a fear of, uh, you know, some of the dangers you see, like, um, manifesting, you know?

Yeah. Just a thought. 

[00:42:45] Zach: Um, yeah, I was thinking about that cuz it doesn't feel like when you're, when you're reading the entry for Ocean, I was thinking about what my biggest challenges are right now. And I don't think any of them intellectually feel like hubristic, which is this dream does have a theme of hubris, um, and thwarting that, um, like in reality, I don't think anything I'm doing is actually hubristic, but I do think maybe like due to imposter syndrome or what have you, right?

Uh, I might subconsciously believe that. Yeah. 

[00:43:15] Victor: Yeah. Uh, you might be wrestling with, um, if you, if you're like, if you have certain ambitions or you you're trying to do certain things, you know, part of you maybe is. Doubting your ability to accomplish those things or something. And I'll go fearing repercussions, 

[00:43:31] Zach: and I'll go ahead and say what those things are.

And one is career stuff that we've been talking about, you know? Right. I have certain endeavors that are moving forward and, and are very promising. Um, and then also another, my girlfriend, Shelby and I are, uh, trying to move in together in like July. It's currently April. Um, our tentative plan is for her to move here in July, and we're trying to like, figure out how to make that work.

Um, the financials of it are like the biggest thing. And I think maybe, maybe there is part of me in the back of my mind that thinks like, uh, we're being reckless. Like we're, we're trying to fit square pegs in round holes financially, uh, to make something work be just because we miss the fuck out of each other.

Right. All the time. But I, I don't actually believe that that's, The case or that, that what we're doing is bad, but I, I, so far, this is what I'm getting mm-hmm. Is that, that maybe there's part of me that things were, um, that, that subconsciously believes, subconsciously believes a narrative that we're, um, pushing the ball forward faster than it wants to go.

[00:44:29] Victor: Yeah. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense to me. Um, and it, it doesn't even necessarily have to be that you believe that, right. It could just be like you processing a, a fear. Right. And anxiety, you know, of. You guys are, um, trying to make a big change that's got like some financial, you know, hazards attached to it, right?

And like you're feeling right now of like, we should be able to make this work, or we should be able to figure this out, or we should be able to solve these problems, but because it's not solved, right? Yeah. Part of you is like, well, what if we don't, what if that blows up in our face? There's all sorts of repercussions associated with that, right?

And so you're wrestling with that on some level. 

[00:45:11] Zach: Yeah. Cuz if all the ducks were in a row and we could just pull the trigger on it, I think it would not think, I'm sure it would be the right decision. Right? Like I'm sure that what we're trying to do makes sense. Um, but the obstacles, the choppy ocean seems to be saying no.

And so the fact that we're pushing through that feels like a, um, a defiance of of, of God, I guess. 

[00:45:33] Victor: And you said the laptop that you're protecting, you perceived it as like a thing of value, right? So it's like that does kind of maybe speak to a financial 

[00:45:42] Zach: anxiety, right? Oh, shit. Yeah, because that cuz not sentimental value.

Not like not, right. It wasn't, the laptop wasn't like precious, I, I just can't afford it. Like literally Right. Literally in the dream I was like, I just can't afford to get a new laptop. Mm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:56] Victor: Yeah. So I think that that's, um, I 

[00:45:58] Olivia: think that plays into. The laptop entry maybe too. I'm not 

[00:46:03] Victor: sure. Let's take a look at it really quick just to see if there's Sure.

Is a connection to dream of a laptop computer represents awareness of a thinking style that looks better or is more sophisticated than average. A higher level of interest in how you are thinking. You may be more motivated or excited to explore yourself or improve yourself. Whereas a regular computer reflects a general awareness of what you are thinking.

A laptop reflects more enthusiasm in yourself. Professional, rich, good job. 

[00:46:30] Zach: Good at something. Oh shit. This. That's really interesting. Is that clicking for you? Yeah. Hardcore. Specifically elaborate the first couple of sentences. Um, I think it said the word intellectual a couple times. Hmm. And yeah, more sophist.

[00:46:43] Olivia: Oh, like a, an awareness of a thinking style that looks better or is more sophisticated than average. Yes. A higher level of interest in how you, in how 

[00:46:54] Zach: you are thinking. Yeah. So that, I mean, that plays into the, like the fear, right? Of. Like having this like really cool thing with this person that I want to pursue despite like the weather looking bad.

Um, the thing that I'm protecting is this like notion that like, oh, this isn't intellectually sound. Hmm. You know what I mean? Like cause mm-hmm. Everything in my soul and heart and gut tells me that this is the right way to go about it. This is what we're trying to do. But my brain is like, what are you doing?

Your credit is shit. How are you going to, how are you gonna get an apartment? You asshole. Right. And that's the, the part of me that I'm like protecting on my back that I can't get wet is like this sophisticated, like this, this, um, logical, kind of like Vulcan way of looking at things. Yeah. 

[00:47:39] Victor: Huh. That's it.

That's really interesting. Mm-hmm. What. What is the title Wave? Um, oh, um, let me read one more thing from laptop. Yeah, go for it. I'm gonna skip down to losing it, which is, which is, um, what we got into with your entry, Olivia. A couple, couple dreams back, but, um, this, I'm just seeing like a sentence here that seems relevant, so I'm just gonna get into it.

To dream of losing your laptop or having your laptop stolen may reflect fears of having to start over from scratch when you believed you were getting ahead in life, losing power, employment, or resources that allow you to think about the more interesting areas of your life. Feeling that you've lost your ability to get ahead in life or plan interesting things.

Feeling about losing the ability to enjoy success or a professional job. So like losing power, employment or resources seem to connect to kind of like the anxiety of like, oh, what if we're getting into deep right now, you know, with um, like material, uh, concerns or whatever. So anyway. 

[00:48:36] Zach: Yeah. Cause ideally we, we could move in together in a way that, um, Behooves, both of us.

But I, I guess that could represent some sort of fear of like having to sacrifice to make it work. 

[00:48:45] Victor: Yeah. Or, or just like, you know, like you get an apartment you can't afford and then you're like underwater or something like that, you know? Yes. That kind of problem. Yeah, 

[00:48:54] Zach: that's what I mean. In which case you would have to sacrifice something, whether it be your time to work a third job or, or whatever it is.


[00:49:04] Victor: and then tidal wave, I'll just top to bottom, um, to dream of a tidal wave represents problematic life situations or uncertainty that threatens to overwhelm you emotionally. You may be experiencing a high degree of stress or emotional drama. You may also feel swamped by unfamiliar situations, obstacles, or unwanted changes.

You may be struggling with a rough situation such as a divorce, illness, financial loss, or unexpected change, huge forces of change or unstoppable events, feeling unable to cope, or that you are going to be swept away by a big change negatively. A tidal wave may reflect a tendency to jump to conclusions about a potential cha change being too big to handle jumping to conclusions about situations that feel serious because you are not informed enough.

A tidal wave may reflect the threat of emotional devastation due to unexpected or unwanted events. A sign that you need to stick it out. You have little to gain by denying the problem. Oh shit. To dream of surfing a tidal wave. We didn't do that. Um, yeah. And then there's examples. Yeah. Does that, does 

[00:50:07] Zach: that resonate?

Yeah. Actually all of that resonated, but were you about to say something Olivia? I was just, 

[00:50:12] Olivia: um, something I was thinking earlier is that like we're talking about, um, this situation of uncertainty where there's lots of change in your, and lots of obstacles and, um, like the fear of, of, um, the consequences of pushing through.

Right. But I also kind of think it's important to remember that even when. There are no obstacles and something just makes sense. It's normal to be like frightened and like, um, anxious about uncertainty and big change like right. Any big life change that, um, even if it makes perfect sense and you're super excited about it and there's no obstacles, it's normal.

Exactly. It's totally normal to be, um, anxious about that. Uh, that is very human. And I just wanted to put that out there. Uh, 

[00:51:06] Zach: because, and there is like, this is potentially a somewhat important detail. Um, we talked about it in a past episode when we, um, broke down one of Shelby's dreams, but Shelby has a 10 year old daughter, and so we wouldn't live with the kid, uh, right away, um, because the, the kid still lives with Shelby's mom.

But you know, the logical conclusion to us living together is us living together with her daughter when she has custody. So that is like, I've lived with girlfriends before, you know, um, uh, but it's sort of uncharted territory for me to, that's gonna be a huge uptick in responsibility, right? Absolutely. To have a, did 

[00:51:47] Victor: she move out there 

[00:51:48] Olivia: with you guys?

[00:51:50] Zach: Eventually. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. The, the plan as of now, and things are still kind of up in the air, which is what I'm, you know, uh, attaching to the turbulence sea is the, up in the airness of things, but the sort of nebulous plan is for, for us to move in together in Los Angeles. Um, but the nature of Shelby's job is that she can kind of like take two weeks on, two weeks off.

So she would live in Los Angeles halftime and, and go back to Denver for work and spend her two weeks off here, employed in la and, and then, um, she works in, in, um, uh, medicine. So there's, there's jobs everywhere. Um, and then once she gets custody of her daughter back from her mom, which could take a minute, uh, she would move her out here with us.

So that would be a big change for me. Like in Totally. In terms of 

[00:52:38] Olivia: like, that would be a big change for all three of you. 

[00:52:41] Zach: Yeah. Oh, for sure. But you know, but this is your dream, right? Right. As I was gonna say, as the dreamer, um, the, yeah, maybe that's, the C'S have less to do with financial bullshit and, and just, well, the financial bullshit is wrapped up in, um, a, a change in level of responsibility and just like, Life status isn't the right word, but like mm-hmm.

It kind of is to go from like a completely single person to, uh, somebody who is, um, somewhat responsible for like two other lives. Right? Yeah. 

[00:53:15] Olivia: Well, and like that transition is, I guess the reason why I say that's gonna be a big transition for all of you is because that's gonna affect you. Like, that's a huge transition for a kid.

And that kid might have a hard time with that. Um, which is going to affect, you know, the people in that situation, you know, being you and, and her mom and um, right. So like that is, Like that being difficult and like a, a big change for everybody Does, um, impact how much of a change it is for 

[00:53:53] Zach: you? Yeah, and that's, I mean that's, that's, that's the number one component in the, even above the, the practical financial stuff in terms of like the planning is, is doing it in a way that's smart and best for this child.

Yeah, of course. Which, you know, like I said, the money shit is wrapped up in that. Cuz like if it was just Shelby and I, we could move into a studio apartment in like a moderately not great neighborhood of Los Angeles. But because we know this kid is going to live with us, we need a certain number of bedrooms and we need the neighborhood to be safe.

We need it to be near a good school. Right. And so, and so that really ups the, um, the bar financially. Yeah. So 

[00:54:37] Victor: all, all of these, all these anxieties seem like totally rational, you know, it's just, it's, it's huge. You know, it's, um, you, you found somebody, you love each other. And now to, to make that work, there's this massive series of things that have to kind of fall into place.

And it's scary. You know, 

[00:54:56] Zach: the part that is, uh, uplifting though, to me is the end of the dream where I, I do manage to climb over the cliff and get away from the wave. I don't know what my two friends in this dream represent. They got pummeled by this wave, but I do remember thinking they're not dead.

They're just, uh, you know, knocked, they're just knocked off their feet. 

[00:55:15] Victor: No, that's definitely us because this podcast is really gonna suffer if you've got all this on your plate. So, honestly, no, 

[00:55:22] Zach: I think you gotta, I'll just have more diverse dreams. I think I'll stop finally. I'll stop finally talking about work every week.

Yeah, yeah. Um, But, but the, the feeling from my perspective, like we've done the, uh, Bob Haas method and I talked about what it felt like to be in the ocean, but the feeling from my perspective at the end, I mean, I, I woke, I woke up laughing mm-hmm. About, about this other guy getting pummeled way off in the distance.

Yeah. Um, and, but the feeling was I got away. The laptop's fine, I'm fine. Like I'll eventually get back in. Like, I, I, I, I felt I ended the dream from my perspective, feeling confident with my ability to navigate this buck wild ocean. Um, I didn't feel like I was gonna get out to that island like that night or anything, but, um, I didn't feel powerless.

Yeah. Mm. Mm-hmm. I actually, I felt pretty like, um, rye and capable. 

[00:56:14] Olivia: I wonder if like the other people, um, like assuming that everybody and everything in the dream is you, right? Like, um, they could be like, you know, the little bumps and bruises that, that are inevitably going to happen, um, along the way in, in this kind of challenge.

Uh, but that ultimately it's not like you're okay. You know, it, and, and it's not the end of the world, and they're okay. You know, they just got a little 

[00:56:49] Zach: beat up. Yeah. By the way, I just used the word rye, and that's not what I meant. What'd you mean? Spry. Okay. I had to Google rye and I was like, that's, that's not the, that's not the right word.

I think I meant, I meant like agile. Yeah. Um, but yeah. That's, that's an interesting concept, Olivia, like I do, I wonder like if these had been. Specific friends, like if they had been you and Victor, cuz that, that, that seems to indicate that it would be like a reflection, like, like the way I feel about you guys would be present in that dream.

Like it would mm-hmm. Right. You know, like when they say you have a sex dream about somebody, it, it's not about sex, it's about how you feel about that person. Yeah. Right. And so like, if it had been you guys getting beat up, by the way, if it, it would maybe like indicate something I, I think I'm witnessing about your life.

Because it's, yeah, because it's two face, I mean, they had faces, but they weren't like ones I recognized. Right. It's two like anonymous, uh, generic friends, like the archetype of a friend. 

[00:57:44] Olivia: Right. Well, what is a friend in the dream Bible? That's a good question. I, yeah, I, I, I bet that's, I bet there's something about that friends you don't 

[00:57:52] Zach: recognize might be in that and they do.

I remember the girl was blonde and I think, I think the guy looked like me too. I think they were only just like me To 

[00:58:01] Victor: dream of a friend represents a quality in yourself based on your most honest feelings about them. So these are, there's a third paragraph to dream of. Having a friend that you've never seen before represents beliefs or situations that make you feel good or help you in some way, a supportive or cooperative aspect of yourself.

It may also reflect your projection of a situation or arrangement that is beneficial to you. 

[00:58:26] Zach: That feels right. Yeah. Does it feel like my brain was just like, like not saying anything about specific relationships, but saying like, you have. Friends, you have support like in this endeavor. Like you're not alone in this thing.

And um, and like I said, I think they, they even both of them sort of looked like me. Like they could be related to me. Maybe them getting pummeled by the wave is like, sometimes you make it out with your laptop, sometimes you get knocked down, but you get up again. Yeah. You're never gonna keep you down, 

[00:58:53] Victor: right?

No. At this does, it does sound like, um, overall there's a positivity and a confidence coming through this stream that is like, you know, there's challenges, you've got concerns. But you do feel like you are, you know what you're doing. You wanna be making these changes that you're making. Um, you, you believe in the direction you're moving in.

Um, that's what's coming through with this dream. 

[00:59:18] Zach: Yeah. And I think my relationship to the laptop, to like the intellectual idea of safety is smart and warranted, um, and ultimately why I didn't get dowsed and my friends did. Um, but yeah, the, the, the, the ultimate like feeling of it isn't, wasn't like hopelessness, like, I'll never traverse the ocean.

Is it, it was more like, I guess I'll wait till tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, 

[00:59:43] Victor: I'm gonna, I'm gonna say something kind of corny, but it, um, it, it feels relevant or whatever, but, um, remember, um, I've, something I've heard is like, um, bravery not being defined as like having no fear, but like having fear. And doing what needs to be done anyway.

Right. And um, like, so like you could interpret this as like, oh, you're acknowledging fear, so maybe that means that there's a problem or whatever. But, uh, no, it's rational to experience anxiety or fear or see the dangers or see how things could possibly turn out in like a bad way or whatever. And to still like, you know, continue on the path that you're on cuz it's your chosen path and you, uh, you're willing to live with those dangers, you know?

Um, yeah, I don't know. Seems like you know what you're doing. 

[01:00:36] Zach: Yeah. I hope. I hope so. The one thing I'm left wondering is about, and I don't even know, like. If it's pertinent, but, uh, the, the, the deja vu thing. Oh yeah. I 

[01:00:46] Victor: forgot about that. That's interesting. I couldn't find anything about deja vu in the dream Bible, but 

[01:00:51] Zach: that just seems like one of those, cuz that, that came all the way out to real life where Shelby had deja vu about me telling her about my deja vu within a dream.

Right. Um, that, that almost seems like a spooky thing that we It 

[01:01:03] Victor: does. Yeah. It's weird. Absolutely. She. We, she had an awareness of what was gonna happen in your dream, like she or she had deja 

[01:01:10] Olivia: vu while you were telling me 

[01:01:12] Zach: the dream. Yeah, in the dream, I knew what this girl was gonna say be because I felt like I, like I, I was experiencing what it feels like in real life to have deja vu, but in the dream, which I've never had before.

Uh, and so I felt like I knew she was gonna say that. And then as I was repeating that story to Shelly, she knew what I was gonna say about what that girl was gonna say. Um, 

[01:01:31] Olivia: did she know what you were gonna say before you said it? Or did she feel like she had felt that before when you were saying it?

Because that's what deja vu is. If she like what psychically knew what you were gonna say. Before, that's some other spooky shit. 

[01:01:46] Victor: Yeah. Did she anticipate what you were gonna say or did she just explain, be a question, experience deja vu while you were 

[01:01:51] Zach: explaining it to her? That would be a question for her, but, but, uh, I mean, she's called it deja vu and I call it deja vu in the dream.

And to, to me, with deja vu, I do feel like there's like a split second of like, premonition where like, I feel like I know what this person's about to say, and then when they say it, I'm like, yeah, that was it. Right? It wasn't like drawn out way in advance, like clairvoyance. Um, and so that's what I interpreted.

That's, that's what I thought Shelby meant when she said that makes sense. Um, but I can confirm that with her. But either way that, yeah, that feels like a, another topic may maybe like dream related, but also maybe like some, something we would need an another tool besides dream Bible to like figure out maybe Yeah.

A medium. Yeah, 

[01:02:34] Olivia: I've, so, like I've heard the non spooky explanation for deja vu is that it's like your synapse like just firing twice. So it like, yeah. It, it's like a, just a brain blip where you feel like you've seen this 

[01:02:47] Zach: before. I think we've talked about this on the pod, right? Like I maybe I remember a reading somewhere that deja vu was like, um, a similar phenomenon, neuro, neurologically to, uh, like a mini seizure.

[01:03:00] Olivia: You can have, uh, there's a, there are seizures that manifest as deja vu. I have this weird deja vu thing that keeps happening to me where it's like, I will have deja vu and then in that moment I, it like reminds me. It like triggers a memory in the same way that like when you smell a certain scent, it like brings back a memory from a time where you smelled that thing or whatever.

But I will have deja vu that will trigger a memory and then for a solid like couple of minutes I will like remember this thing, this thing that happened and then suddenly that will wear off. And I will realize that that is a completely fabricated memory that does not exist. Yes, that has happened to me several times recently.

It's very weird. Like this seems like a, like one time it was like we were going down the hill by our house and I was like, I was having deja vu and then it reminded me of a name of a client from our old job and I was like, oh yeah, that client. Uh, and like I had like a memory of this client for like two minutes and then I realized that was not a real person and that I never had that client.

[01:04:08] Victor: That's definitely a stroke. You're definitely happy. 

[01:04:11] Zach: Yeah. That sounds like an additional phenomenon on top of De Jumper. Yeah, 

[01:04:16] Olivia: it, yeah, 

[01:04:17] Victor: it does. 

[01:04:18] Zach: Do you? Okay, so yeah. What's itno another, like, interesting sidebar, or, I think it's interesting. Um, since Shelby and I got together, we've both been experiencing deja vu exponentially more frequently.

Hmm. Oh, that's interesting. We text each other every time it happens and it just keeps picking up speed. And we joke about whether or not it's, or whether it's like something like the, oh, the, the timelines are merging, you know? Hmm. Like the parallel universes are lining up cuz we're finally on the right path because we're together.

Or is it just that we, uh, I, I don't know, like, like our, our, our brains are just like frying themselves. Yeah. I 

[01:04:55] Olivia: wonder if it's 

[01:04:56] Zach: like, um, like we've, we've fell in love so hard. We both had strokes. 

[01:05:02] Olivia: I wonder if it's like sleep paralysis, where like the more you are aware of it or the more you acknowledge it, the more it happens.

Hmm. Is that a thing? So it's just a, yeah. If you talk about sleep paralysis enough, you'll have sleep paralysis. 

[01:05:15] Victor: Well, I mean, what it means is that the hat man hears you talking about sleep and chooses 

[01:05:20] Zach: to visit you. Yeah. It's like dang candyman in the mirror. Right. 

[01:05:25] Victor: Okay. When you have deja vu, do you just have deja vu of the moment you're experiencing or like, I guess what I'm saying is when I have deja vu usually.

Part of it is that I feel like I've had deja vu about this before. So then it feels like I've had this experience, like who knows how many times, like I've had deja vu of Deja vu. Of deja vu. Yeah, I relate to 

[01:05:50] Zach: that. Yeah. Yeah, 

[01:05:51] Victor: that feels right. Hmm. I guess it's a simulation. 

[01:05:55] Olivia: I wonder if deja vu in a dream is like a simulated experience, or if it's like the same like neurology, like neurological malfunction.


[01:06:06] Zach: having that synaps fire while you're sleeping. Yeah. Yeah. 

[01:06:09] Olivia: Or if it's like your brain, like constructed deja, because it can do, it can construct like, you know, scenarios where it's like, oh yeah, you remember this thing from before in your 

[01:06:19] Victor: dream. Right, right. Is it really deja vu, like the same thing that's happening, or is it 

[01:06:25] Zach: in this dream?

I remember feeling like it, it felt like deja vu. Huh? Like it wasn't just me saying it like as part of the dream. It was. Well, it also 

[01:06:34] Olivia: makes, well, I mean, it makes sense that you would be able to feel it too, like in the same way and, and it ma would make sense that you would have a, have deja vu in a dream if it's something you're experiencing in waking life.

Like, you know, uh, just, just like leaking in as a, as a thing that you're experiencing. Right? 

[01:06:54] Zach: Yeah. I've definitely never been part of like a 20 foot long canoe journey. 

[01:07:00] Victor: It's kinda creepy when you think about it, that your brain can do that to you just like, fully, like reconstruct the experience of being alive and awake and walking around and doing stuff.

It just like, can, can manufacture that. It's weird right. 

[01:07:17] Zach: It is weird, not, not weird. 

[01:07:19] Olivia: That's why we're doing this. 

[01:07:20] Zach: Yeah. 

[01:07:23] Victor: Thank you for listening to The Jung and the Restless. You 

[01:07:26] Olivia: can follow us on social media at the Young and the Restless Pod and submit your dreams for interpretation to the Jung and the Restless Pod at Gmail.

[01:07:34] Zach: And as we always say, Goddamn Zoomers eating ass

clock is.

Recent Episodes

May 21, 24

62. Yawning to Assert Dominance

May 07, 24

61. Getting Torqued at the Gas Pump

Apr 23, 24

60. Too Close to the Veil