22. Fundamental Dissatisfaction

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains discussion pertaining to the depiction and concept of suicide. Victor gives us an update on…...

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains discussion pertaining to the depiction and concept of suicide. Victor gives us an update on his thoughts about his slide dream. Olivia desperately needs new meds for her ADHD/narcolepsy. Fun drinking game for this ‘sode: take a shot every time Olivia yawns. Zach has a grisly dream about suicide, and although he’s pretty much figured it out, it sparks a conversation about death and the death industry that was pretty much kind of somewhat fact-checked. 

0:00 Intro

3:07 Victor's slide dream update

7:23 Olivia needs new drugs

13:37 Medical drugs

19:23 Olivia's dream journal

20:41 Zach's dark dream

41:32 Jobs

51:05 Body Disposal 

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Fundamental Dissatisfaction

[00:00:00] Olivia: Welcome to The Jung and the Restless.. I'm Olivia. 

[00:00:03] Victor: I'm Victor.

[00:00:04] Zach: And I'm Zach. And this is the podcast sent from the future to Destroy You.

[00:00:26] Olivia: We were talking about how we were mostly water the other day and uh, the tides came up and uh, do you think that the moon can have like, pull over the water that's in your body? 

[00:00:39] Zach: Yeah, that's what astrology is. I 

[00:00:42] Olivia: don't think that's what astrology is. 

[00:00:45] Zach: It when you were born under your moon, it had an effect on your, on you.

Mm-hmm. I, it's hard 

[00:00:54] Victor: science. I think this is different. I think the gravity thing is different. 

[00:01:00] Olivia: Oh, yeah. I'm ta I'm talking about like how the, the, where the moon is at, like affects the tides, right? Like and does that, if it has that kind, if the gravity of the moon has that kind of pull over water, could like it have any kind of influence on like the microcurrents in your bloodstream?

[00:01:22] Victor: Well, it's not just pulling on water though, right? It's not like, it's not like it's gravity as specific to water. It has gravity, it's affect. Everything. And then an observable effect of that gravity is that the water, like level changes, right? So it's like, it's not just affecting the water in your body, it's affecting your whole whole body.

[00:01:46] Olivia: So do you think it makes you crazy? 

[00:01:50] Victor: Right? It's like, uh, you're being slightly pulled up. Yeah. Ever so slightly and perceptively pulled from the earth. Maybe you're less grounded. I 

[00:02:00] Zach: don't know. Yeah. Sounds like a scientific explanation for witchcraft to me. Hmm. 

[00:02:06] Olivia: It explains something. 

[00:02:09] Victor: Maybe we need a witchcraft explanation for science.

Ever think about that? 

[00:02:14] Zach: Yeah. Checks and balances. That's 

[00:02:16] Victor: right. I don't think we've, I don't think we've put science through its proper witchcraft paces yet. It hasn't been thoroughly investigated by witchcraft. For its validity. Okay, I'll shut 

[00:02:31] Olivia: up. So, uh, this thing happens sometimes where we will release an episode and then we'll listen to it and listening to yourself, talk about your dream is a different experience, and, uh, something will click and did that happen to someone here?

[00:02:52] Victor: Yeah. If that happened to anybody. Do you mind, uh, standing up and uh, uh, revealing yourself? Oh 

[00:03:01] Zach: man. I always figure out my dreams on the pod. Oh yeah. 

[00:03:05] Victor: Cuz you're a professional. Um, yeah. No, I feel like, uh, okay. So, so just to recap, we just, uh, recorded or released? We just released Yeah. A dream, uh, about me going down a slide and, uh, f.

It was an icy slide and I ended up in her house and they didn't want me to be there. And it was a, it was a trap. And listening to the episode felt like I had an insight into what I feel like the meaning is. Um, so just gonna explain what I think that is, which is, um, we had talked about in the dream that the slide, um, when we did the, uh, gestalt method method, that, uh, it felt to me like the part of myself that, uh, wants isolation and perfection, like kind of my, my drive and the part of my drive that is like resistant to dealing with other people or feeling like.

Or interdependent on anybody. Um, but then my character in the dream was very much like motivated by trying to help other people and like involved in people, and interested in people. And an insight I had listening to us talk about the episode is that it, I think that the dream, at least in part, represented a tension within myself, between the part of me that, um, you know, is all drive maybe to the, to a fault of like not caring about people or not caring about things outside of trying to, you know, check boxes of accomplishments or, you know, push myself further in a certain direction.

Uh, and then the part of myself that. You know, is involved in, you know, caring about people, being connected to people, the part of you, um, that can find happiness, right? Um, the drive thing, the like shallow drive thing of like, oh, I just need to, I need to check this box. I need to accomplish this task. I need to, uh, have this success that can be empty.

Um, but I think if you channel that into being involved with people and caring about people and being involved in your community and trying to do things that better the world, you can find happiness that way. And that's something I personally need to work on. I need to be better about, um, connecting with people.

That's the thing. I'm, it's like outta my comfort zone a little bit, and so I'm resistant to it, but whenever I do do it, um, it's, you know, One of the more satisfying and, uh, you know, rewarding things you can do with your life. So yeah. That's it. 

[00:05:39] Zach: That's all I had. Yeah, I relate to that. I think about that a lot that, yeah.

Um, I frequently have a sense of like, like, like yearning for something, like missing out on something. And I, uh, I guess I'm accustomed to like thinking that that hole will be filled by like going out and playing on stage or like being recognized for doing something cool, you know, something artsy. Um, but when I like think about times that that has been the case and like really boiled it down, what was the satisfying part was the sense of community.

Yeah. And like, um, Yeah, just bonding with people, which doesn't have to be an accomplishment. It's just something you, you can do. Right. 

[00:06:17] Victor: And like on, in with music specifically, like I've been playing music a long time, um, and I've, I've never, I, I've, I've had like, uh, uh, aspirations over the years of like, oh, maybe I'd get some kind of success with the statistic thing that, that never came to pass, but like it is still one of the most.

Satisfying and rewarding things that I've done with my life because I've met so many cool people. I've met so many cool relationships and like had so many great experiences because music best thing I've done with my life was to just take an interest in that and put it out there and meet other people that like doing it.

Mm-hmm. And um, so it's like you might be chasing some kind of idea of success, but like what you get out of it. Isn't about that, you know, it's a, it's about, um, relationships,

[00:07:23] Zach: what's been going on. Guy,

I realized I was sitting here overthinking, like the way to get like into the pod zone and I was like, why don't I just catch up with my friends? 

[00:07:39] Victor: Yeah, yeah. Just, just 

[00:07:40] Olivia: talk to them. Uh, not much has been going on 

[00:07:46] Victor: really, you know, different, different artists and different, uh, you know, bands and stuff have different eras.

Right. And for us, we're in the, Olivia needs more Adderall era of the podcast. 

[00:07:59] Olivia: Yeah. I swear to God they are. They're cutting it with something. It like, I had sleep paralysis today in the middle of the day on Adderall. On Adderall. Yes. I like fell asleep. 

[00:08:14] Zach: Um, you tried doubling up your dose or is that dangerous?


[00:08:18] Olivia: I can't do that with, because it's a controlled substance, so I can only get one month of it at a time. Yeah. So if she doubles a do that, then I don't have meds for a day. Right. Um, 

[00:08:30] Victor: but, and they're helping a little bit. Yeah. Just. 

[00:08:33] Olivia: Enough, but it should be helping more. Like when they gave, so the one I was on before, um, it hadn't been working for a few months, like it hadn't been working as well.

And mind you, I had been on this medication for seven years at this point and it, I had never needed, never needed to up my dose ever. Not once. And in October I started feeling it like it wasn't working very well and then the shortage really hit and I can't get that medication anywhere. And so they gave me the xrs and they told me, now you need to be really careful.

Like eat, you need to make sure you eat before you take this, like take it super early or you won't sleep at night. Mm-hmm. And I am like hungry and tired and like, it's not working at all. It's crazy. I don't know what's going on. 

[00:09:22] Zach: It sucks. Yeah, that's, we were talking about this a while back, and I was saying I don't think Shelby's experiencing the same thing with the, because you're, you said you're not alone in, in, in this experience.

Like you've talked to other people that are going do similar things. 

[00:09:36] Olivia: Yeah. Any, everybody I've asked has said that they've, that, that the, the least they've said is that they've felt like they needed to up their dose. 

[00:09:45] Zach: Yeah. I, I wonder if. Regional suppliers or something, but that's why Yeah, I was saying that sometimes some days Shelby doesn't take it.

Um, and so she notices, you know, that those days are different than the day she does take it. So Stan's the reason that it's, nothing has changed with her Adderall, but that is, that's the reason she would not take it, is if she woke up too late. Yeah. Yeah. Cause then, then it would keep her up at night.


[00:10:12] Olivia: But yeah, I've been having a, uh, month long continuous brain fart, so that, that, that's 

[00:10:20] Zach: where I'm at right now. Brain gas, this is random, but I was thinking about this earlier today. Let's, it's not random, it's, anyway, the, the, the term heroin overdose I always thought was funny or overdose in the, the context of heroin.

It's like that implies that there's. An appropriate amount of heroin. You know what I mean? Because like your Adderall has a, at a certain dose it should improve your life, like certain amount. Right. 

[00:10:48] Olivia: And at a certain dose it would stop my heart, so. Right, right. 

[00:10:52] Victor: That's an overdose. That's an 

[00:10:53] Zach: overdose. The same thing with Tylenol.

Like anything that can improve your life at an, at an appropriate dose. Right. There's also an overdose of it, but like heroin. 

[00:11:04] Victor: So you're saying it should be like heroin poisoning or whatever because Yeah, heroin. Yeah. Like alcohol, not heroin is bad for you. 

[00:11:10] Zach: Yeah. No one says, uh, alcohol overdose. It's alcohol poisoning.

Right. Cause you don't, there's no like appropriate. I mean, there's, there's a responsible, reasonable amount of alcohol, but 

[00:11:22] Olivia: that is interesting that we don't call that an overdose when somebody gets alcohol poisoning. Cuz that is what that is. It's the same 

[00:11:29] Zach: thing. Yeah. We, we don't, we don't call it a drug either.

I mean, right. Professionals, like doctors would call it a drug, but. Yeah, but usually you hear the term drugs and alcohol. Yeah. I 

[00:11:40] Olivia: mean, alcohol is, is certainly a, it's like one of the most dangerous drugs, but like, weirdly just 

[00:11:49] Zach: cheers. Victor and I are both having a beer. Mm-hmm. And like, 

[00:11:54] Olivia: yeah, it's fine. Like, but like I don't feel like it's any different from like other things that people use recreationally, um, in most contexts.

And it has the potential to be more dangerous. Like, I just feel like driving somebody driving when they're like hammered is a lot more dangerous than somebody driving when they're like high. 

[00:12:19] Zach: Depend. Well, yeah. Yeah. 

[00:12:21] Olivia: I mean, I'm not saying, I'm not advocating for either of them, but I'm, I just like the motor skills impairment is like, it's a different thing, 

[00:12:30] Zach: you know?

Yeah. Well, alcohol seems to do the same thing to everybody, you know what I mean? Right. Weed is a little more case to case, and I know some people who are like ripped all day long and you would never know. They seem totally sober. They could, they're totally capable of driving or what? Anything. Um, but me, not so much, like when I'm high, I'm pretty useless.

[00:12:51] Olivia: Yeah, me too. But I don't, yeah. I just don't, I really don't do much of that at all anymore. 

[00:13:00] Zach: Yeah. I'm starting to get back into it now that I've found this dad grass. Like, not, not the, there's, there's a CBD product that's branded dad grass. Not that, but like collo wheel, shitty weed is what I'm saying. Yeah.

Or is it 

[00:13:13] Olivia: the best 

[00:13:14] Zach: weed? Yeah. It's, it's the one, it is what I can handle. I don't need to be fucking ripped outta my mind. I just like to smile a little easier. 

[00:13:26] Victor: Yeah. Do they use overdose? They use overdose with most stuff. Right? Like, like, uh, you can have like a meth overdose or, uh, something. Right. But I think a lot of those, I guess those, yeah.

Drugs started out with some kind of medical application, right? I think they are. 

[00:13:42] Zach: Yeah. I guess even heroin probably. Oh, yeah. It was, it's a derivative of, 

[00:13:46] Victor: yeah. Heroin was a brand name. For a bear product. Oh, 

[00:13:51] Zach: really? Yeah. I learned something today Was medicine. Yeah. For bears? 

[00:13:55] Victor: No,

no, it's a B a y e R. I think it's Oh, is that a company? It's a pharmaceutical company. Okay. 

[00:14:10] Zach: Like, ah, it's like a horse. It's a bear product for Bears. It's like a horse tran, wiser, like ketamine, but for bears. 

[00:14:19] Olivia: Yeah, I'm in the, uh, I'm in the bear products industry,

[00:14:27] Zach: also known as Bear Care. 

[00:14:31] Olivia: Yeah. I remember seeing like old commercials, like from the fifties where like they would be like, tired housewife, have a little heroin. 

[00:14:43] Victor: Really? If you Google heroin and b A Y e r bear, um, you'll see a bunch of images of like oldtimey bottles that have like that labeling and, 

[00:14:55] Zach: uh, so it was ingested orally, like a pill.

[00:14:58] Victor: I, I, I don't know that, 

[00:15:00] Olivia: like a tincture. 

[00:15:01] Zach: Oh, weird. 

[00:15:04] Victor: I think it was, I think it was originally supposed to be a safe alternative to morphine because people were getting addicted to morphine. 

[00:15:14] Olivia: I shouldn't laugh at that. 

[00:15:15] Zach: That's good job, guys. Uh, I'm glad to live in this era where we figured all the drugs out.

[00:15:24] Victor: Yeah. Yeah. Good thing. There hasn't been an opioid epidemic in Yeah. Like a long time, right? Mm-hmm. Pharmaceutical companies prescribing addictive opioids to the masses. Never the Wow. Can't imagine that happening this day and 

[00:15:44] Zach: age. Yeah. There's, there's no like, new drugs that is suddenly in all of the other drugs.

[00:15:51] Olivia: There were like, around Halloween, parents were freaking out cuz they thought that there's always a new thing. But they thought that like, people were gonna be putting rainbow fentanyl pills in their kids' Halloween candy. It's like 

[00:16:06] Zach: I missed the good old days when it was just razor blades. Like, I 

[00:16:09] Olivia: don't think that even ever happened.

It happened like one time and it was a guy who did it to his own kid. 

[00:16:15] Zach: It's always, yeah, it's always somebody, you 

[00:16:17] Victor: know. Yeah. The, I think there's like a couple of candy poisonings, but they were all like parents trying to kill their own kids for like insurance money or something. Jesus Christ. 

[00:16:27] Zach: Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I, I think we talked about this on the podcast before, but I don't, oh yeah. It was after my, um, Sam Elliot Ice Cream. We were talking about how I don't really like sweets and, and I think I brought up that I, when Halloween as a little kid ate too much candy and like threw up everywhere. Mm-hmm.

And but another component of it was like all the candy scares right. Of the early nineties, and I'm so, oh yeah. I'm so, I don't get you, I'm so susceptible to shit like that. I'm still, I wasn't even alive in the eighties when that dude poisoned the Tylenol. Remember? You remember doing Oh yeah. That was in Seattle.

Was that, was that Seattle? Was that, was that Seattle? Yeah. Uh, I'm still 

[00:17:05] Olivia: nervous. Crazy. Fuck it Put like cyanide in, like ibuprofen pills. Yeah, yeah, 

[00:17:10] Zach: yeah. Like at the factory, I think. And it made it to like, you know, variety of different store shows. Oh 

[00:17:15] Olivia: no. It, the thing I'm thinking of is that, that there were this like, started the, um, uh, he like tampered with bottles and it like spurred uh, like national like requirement that they put like seals on that you can see if the seal's been broken.

[00:17:35] Zach: Yeah, we we're probably thinking of the same event, and I just have the facts wrong. Oh, well, 

[00:17:39] Olivia: yeah, that's what happened. 

[00:17:42] Zach: Probably the facts wrong. All I know is that somebody poison Tylenol in the eighties and I'm nervous every time I take one now. That's, but I'm irrational, but I'm sorry for you. I'm, I'm. 

[00:17:57] Victor: I went the other way.

Each time I take a Tylenol, I'm like, please let this be the cyanide capsule. 

[00:18:04] Zach: So every time I eat a, I had one bad experience with, uh, pot brownies. Now, every time I eat any baked good, I'm watching the clock for about 45 minutes. And after 45 minutes, if I'm like, okay, I still feel normal, I guess I wasn't dosed.


[00:18:20] Victor: Yeah, you're you're really susceptible to. To generalizing those, those bad experiences. Hey, like 

[00:18:27] Olivia: I remember I brought like banana bread into work and I was like, you want some banana bread? And he was like, no thanks. I'm terrified of baked goods. 

[00:18:36] Zach: Mm-hmm. I don't think I said it all proud like that. Sure.

There's a tinge of shame in my voice. 

[00:18:44] Victor: I think that's good though. It's like we're, uh, people have different levels of, of, uh, anxiety about that kind of stuff as like an evolutionary thing, right? It's like, oh, I 

[00:18:55] Olivia: would not have survived natural selection would've picked me off 

[00:19:01] Zach: just eating whatever. 

[00:19:04] Olivia: Just licking rocks, like 

[00:19:08] Zach: yeah, we wouldn't have had had a roll back in the day.

[00:19:11] Victor: Yeah.

[00:19:21] Olivia: I just wanna read this dream journal entry that I don't really remember writing, but I do remember the dream now that I've read it. It just says Hawaii doc sawtooth shark, dolphin, sawtooth targeting me, whittling club birthday party has a wheel. Uh, has a weird vibe. That was it. 

[00:19:44] Zach: I was like, beat poetry.

[00:19:45] Victor: It's a poem. Yeah. 

[00:19:47] Olivia: A sausage song. I'm gonna join a whittling club 

[00:19:49] Zach: though. Is it? Oh, I, I, oh, I thought you meant whittling like a club to hit the shark with 

[00:19:55] Olivia: Wait. Oh no. Yeah. No. It was a, a club like a weapon? No, there was just like, then I was in a, like in a room, uh, in a group of people all 

[00:20:06] Zach: whittling. Yeah. Is a, is a saw too shark a thing?

I think there's a thing 

[00:20:12] Olivia: called a sawfish. And it, the shark in my dream had like a lo, it had like a, a nose that looked like the blade of a chainsaw. That's 

[00:20:23] Zach: metal. Yeah. Did you wanna do that dream? 

[00:20:27] Olivia: Nah.

[00:20:41] Zach: So the dream I was thinking of was, uh, unfortunately written down on the notes app of my old phone, which I just broke in half the other day. Like, not, not literally, but like I was on a jog and it was dark out and it was raining. And for some reason I was running on the sidewalk and I tripped over some uneven sidewalk and like landed on the phone.

So, uh, I'm gonna have to recall it from memory, um, trigger warning for this dream suicide. But basically I was working underground. Um, I used to, I used to work for this, this company that did like parking, like we, uh, Were contractors that worked with like different vendors, like, like malls and shopping centers that needed, it doesn't matter.

I, I spent a lot of time working underground in like underground parking garages. Um, and it was very reminiscent of that, uh, except I got the feeling that it was more like broader transportation base, like a subway station maybe. Um, but had this militant feel like, like we all wore the same uniforms. And, uh, at one point we're in like a control room where there's, uh, different, um, monitors for different, uh, surveillance cameras.

And I can't remember if I saw on the camera if I just got word that this had happened, but there, there's this, this person that I. Hated at the time in real life. A a coworker of mine. Um, it was me. No, this was way, this was before that. Um, I mean, this, I had this dream, I don't know, like maybe a year ago, but the, the, the person that I hated, I worked with him like several years ago.

Um, I'll call him. Fuck Jim. Uh, fuck Jim. Go fuck yourself, Jim. Yeah. But anyway, I, I, I caught where the Jim had shot himself. Uh, and so a bunch of us ran down to where the scene had happened, and it was like, again, like a subway platform. And it was kind of near like where the tracks were, but more on the platform.

Uh, there was this, this grizzly scene where Jim had shot himself in the head and, uh, kind of everyone, everyone was like upset at the same like, except. I wasn't like perturbed by it. I wasn't happy that he was dead, even though I hated this guy. It wasn't a feeling of like good rid or anything. But the, the reason the dream stuck with me is this poignant feeling of like, I'm capable of handling this.

Like, I remember comforting everybody and I felt this like overwhelming sense of responsibility and capability in handling something that heavy in, in helping other people through it. So I don't know if that's like leading the witness in terms of like trying to interpret this, but that was what stuck me was stuck with me, was a, an overwhelming feeling in the dream.

That may or may not be what it was actually about. Do you remember what 

[00:23:24] Olivia: was going on, um, in your life around that time? 

[00:23:28] Zach: Yeah, I, I mean, I said it was about a year ago. Um, because I think it coincided with me moving to Los Angeles. Uh, I do, I remember at the time connecting it to, this is kinda why I was interested in, in maybe bringing it up.

Now to find out like whether or not this is what it was about. Cause my inclination at the time, uh, was I, I tied it to not knowing what I was doing with my life at the time. I mean, I thought I knew, like obviously I moved to LA to like work in this industry in, in radio and podcasting, uh, yada yada. But there was this thing at the back of my mind that was like, if this doesn't work out, like, I don't know, like LA's the last stop, you know, like, I don't know where I would go to do this after this, after here.

So I think I was tossing around, uh, plan Bs like for an, for an entirely separate career. Cuz if, you know, working in media. Audio media didn't work out in any capacity. I didn't want to go back to like, I didn't wanna be forced to cook in kitchens until I died. So I was thinking of like other viable, um, career choices.

And one of them was the funeral industry. Like I literally, I have a note here on my desk that's been up for a long time that just says Cypress College, cuz uh, I was just doing research of like good funeral science programs in the state of California and Cypress College is one of 'em. I did not 

[00:24:47] Olivia: know this about you, that that was something you were interested in.

[00:24:51] Zach: Yeah. Yeah. It just, I don't know why it's always been in the back of my head as something that I could do or, or would want to do. And I think that's why that dream made me think tied to this is because the, the correlation is, I think it's, um, it's not, um, it. It is a very specific type of person that chooses to do that.

Mm-hmm. And it's, um, I feel like due to a certain set of characteristics that aren't exceedingly common, most of which have to do with like, yeah. Being able to withstand, you know, existential sort of gloom, for lack of a better word. Suggest, 

[00:25:26] Victor: suggest a recap. Um, you're, you're new to la you're, um, feeling like maybe you're, uh, you know, you, you're there to pursue the career path that you're currently on, but it's scary.

You've tried this a couple of times getting here, you're like, maybe this doesn't work out. Maybe this blows up in my face. So I'm also looking at other possibilities. If I need to go, I'd go a different way. One of the ones that's in your brain is, um, being involved in, uh, the funeral industry, right? Mm-hmm.

And then, How long it had been, had it been since you were working in the parking job? Was that way in your past? Was that kind of recent? 

[00:26:07] Zach: 2017. Okay. So if you I moved here in 2021. 

[00:26:12] Victor: Gotcha. Okay. Was that, um, like a, was that one of your, your first real jobs? One of your first serious 

[00:26:19] Zach: jobs? No. Well, no. I mean, I was 27 at the time.

Hmm. It was one of my few, like, departures from the culinary world. 

[00:26:28] Victor: That was gonna be my next question. Okay. So it's like a taste of work outside of the work that you're thinking about trying to get away from. Right. Because in your mind it's like cooking is the thing that you don't want to do. So this is, this is your It's true experience doing something else.

Mm-hmm. Right. 

[00:26:43] Zach: Yeah. I didn't think about that. That, I mean that the parking job, Also like pretty dead end, but totally, probably even more dead end than c cooking. You could aspire to be a sh a chef, you know, like if, if you really are passionate about cooking, it's not dead end at all. Um, but for someone like me, it's, it's a nowhere 

[00:27:01] Victor: I can see, like for myself, I feel like if I was in your shoes, that would feel representative of like a fear that the stuff outside of cooking is also ugly or not good, right?

Like that there's no, that there aren't good options. It's like cooking or stuff that's like the parking job, right? If that's where you're putting yourself into, I dunno, but I'm kind of, I'm, I'm kind of fatalistic that way. 

[00:27:27] Zach: Well, I didn't think about that connection. I just, I brought out the parking job just because the scenery of the dream reminded me of like being underground all.

Yeah. Well, was this guy, which is 

[00:27:36] Victor: inherently dark. Yeah. Was this guy a coworker at the parking job or was he a coworker 

[00:27:40] Zach: at a different place? No, he was in a kitchen. Oh, in 

[00:27:43] Victor: a kitchen. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. And so what was the context of when he was a kitchen coworker? Or like, we don't want to, we don't forget into the specifics of the guy, but like, was that a recent job?

Was that also a long time ago? Is that around the same 

[00:27:57] Zach: time as the parking job? That was actually like just after the parking job. Okay. Um, it, it was in the same era of my life I was dating and living with the same person and, uh, Interesting. That was a period, there was a period of time where I developed a lot of like shame and angst around jobs.

[00:28:15] Victor: Okay. That's just what I was gonna ask, right, because it's like maybe that is the time period where you developed a certain relationship with work or your perception of yourself as a, as a working 

[00:28:27] Zach: person. Yeah. I wouldn't say that was my first real job, cuz it still didn't feel like a real job. But it, um, that was the first real, I think it was the first time I lived with a partner and Bills became not just a thing for me, but like a, like a thing that someone else was concerned with.

Right. And she had all this like, often negative input on what I was doing to earn money or not doing, to earn money. Um, so that was really when I started to, like, before that I was just kind of cruising through the workforce. Like, whatever, I'll just, like, as long as I can pay the bills and make my music man, like the rest will fall into place.

And then that, that period of time was when I really started to get like, Um, yeah. Like riddle with shame around like not Yeah. Being further in my career. 

[00:29:12] Victor: That was the shift from I'll figure it out to, I need to figure it out. Yeah, exactly right. 

[00:29:17] Olivia: Um, so I'm just gonna read this part of the suicide entry cuz I feel like it connects here to dream of someone else.

Committing suicide represents an aspect of your personality that is self-defeating or choosing to fail. It may also reflect your feelings about a person who has changed in ways, in ways you don't like. Um, you may feel they're a loser or a failure. 

[00:29:44] Zach: Yeah, no, that's interesting cuz the person, um, who was the victim in the dream.

The tension there was, the reason I hate it, and I don't use that word lightly. There are very few people in this world that I would say I hate. Like I, I'm, I, I don't know. I, I, I generally don't waste my energy having enemies, you know? But th this dude, he was the sommelier at a, at this restaurant I worked at, and he was just a total pretentious jackass.

Yeah. Um, and I always had this feeling about him that he was like a compulsive liar. Uh, and he bought the restaurant from the owners. 

[00:30:22] Olivia: Oh, I know who you're talking about. You told me about this guy. 

[00:30:26] Zach: Oh, okay. Um, yeah, he's an avid podcast listener, but I doubt he's listening to this one. But if he is, he's already figured it out.

Yeah. Fuck you, Jim. Uh, but yeah, one of his first moves as the new owner was to fire me. Um, and I think he cleaned the house. He fired a few more people after me and a couple, some left because he was the owner, not, not a popular guy. Um, but then after all this like job shame, like mounted, mostly stemming from this relationship with this person that like was really, I don't know, hounding sounds like a, I don't know, I don't wanna sound like I'm pointing fingers, but she was very, I don't know, helped install a lot of these insur.

Uh, years after the breakup, I guess this, this guy like ran the restaurant into the ground by, I don't know exactly the details. I, I heard the word embezzlement. Uh, I don't know if that's, it's a fun word. I, yeah, he did some shady shit. I don't know exactly what it was, but the, the owners had to like come outta retirement to like bail him out, man.

Uh, and my ex texted me about this cuz she was still friends with a coworker or whatever and was, she was like, oh, I guess you were right about that guy. And I was like, yeah, thanks for listening to me. Pretty good judge of character sometimes. Yeah. But yeah, so it feels like there's a lot of hangups floating around this tree.

[00:31:55] Victor: Yeah. Well, that's super interesting. And then, um, like it sounds like, yeah, it sounds like that was just like a part of your life that had a big impression on you and how you see yourself and how your relationship with work affects your self worth. And so you're here and you're. Having some anxiety about whether you're gonna have to start back at square one with something, right?

So it makes sense that part of that you would've a dream kind of taking you back to that place where that was square one of this project you're on to figure out what you want to do and, 

[00:32:33] Zach: and do it. And then the fact that he would be the one to, um, you know, off him. Makes sense. And so like, if he's a representation of like, everything I hated about this industry that I want to be done with.

Hmm. Um, you know, that tracks Were you gonna say something, Olivia? 

[00:32:51] Olivia: Oh, just that like, um, like this part where it says, um, like someone else committing suicide. It may reflect your feelings about a person who has changed in ways you don't like. You may feel they're a loser or a failure. So like him committing suicide is like you finding out like that that confirmation that like, okay, he totally fucked up the restaurant and like, uh, had to get bailed out and, and, and, and that you're you, the way you were feeling about it in the dream.

Like it wasn't that you were happy about it, right? No. But you weren't. 

[00:33:31] Zach: Um, I wasn't as crestfallen as everyone around me was. Everyone around me in the dream was falling apart. Um, not necessarily because he was beloved, but because that's a grizzly horrible thing to, to see, and I felt like I could handle it in the dream.

Hmm. Which, you know, after the fact I, I tied that into my interest in the funeral, funeral industry. I saw that as like, um, an affirmation that like, this is something I would be good at cause I think I can, uh, emotionally handle it. 

[00:34:03] Olivia: Yeah. I think this all ties into, um, the things we've talked about with, with other dreams you've had about your relationship to work and career paths.

Um, I feel like a lot of that 

[00:34:17] Zach: makes sense. Yeah. Cuz honestly, my draw toward that industry, like if I'm being real objective about it, it is, I do think I have like a skillset for it or a, a personality for it is probably more accurate. Um, but also just as a, like plan B or even the Plan Z, it's just, it's not going.

People are gonna keep dying and it doesn't pay a lot, but that's not a priority of mine. The fact that I, as a funeral director or whatever, uh, would have an important job and like put on a suit every day, like there's just, there, there's a, an air of reverence and respect to it that I could see myself if I know I'm not going to do anything else with my life creatively or.

Um, in a professional capacity, that would be a place that is, um, I, I think I would at least be content. I wouldn't be like, or I would like to think that I wouldn't be, you know, um, yearning for more from there. Like, it, it would at least be, uh, an admirable career. 

[00:35:25] Olivia: It's not, um, dissimilar from what Victor was talking about in his reflection on his flag dream, right?

Where it's like, um, There is something rewarding and fulfilling about having, about doing something that is meaningful to people. 

[00:35:44] Zach: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

[00:35:46] Victor: Like we've talked a a little bit about ambition and like hu like hustle culture effects on the psyche and stuff. Um, but I, all of that stuff is very divorced from like doing human good or making human connections or actually, um, like benefiting your community in any way.

Mm-hmm. It's much more like, you know, how much do I make a year? Do I have the prestigious title? Am I doing the prestigious work? Like, very much disconnected from like what good you're doing. And most of the people I know when they start thinking about what good am I doing? Kind of spiral because when you think about it, most jobs are not connected toward to like actually materially improving the lives of people, 

[00:36:38] Zach: right?

No. Most, most jobs are forwarding the dream of someone higher up that isn't right. That already isn't doing anything good, right? Well, 

[00:36:47] Olivia: and like I don't, I just don't know that there's an end when on the other path, right? Like if you're just following like ambitions to like achieve some kind of fulfillment, like if you're like, wait, you're waiting for like the moment when you like know that you've made it or whatever, it's like that's never gonna come, I don't think if you're on that trajectory because so long as other people are not really affected, In a positive way by what you're doing.

Um, there's always gonna be more, you're always gonna be striving for like a thing that is never gonna come to you in, in the way that you're expecting 

[00:37:32] Victor: it, you know? Yeah. When, when I was talking about my reflection on the dream, I, I think that's what I was getting at is, is like when I tried to put myself into the perspective of the slide, as silly as that sounds, I, I, I felt like I kind of glimpsed a part of myself that like, is is ridiculous, you know?

But is like just this, uh, because, because it's like this impulse to be like so detached from everything else that like, it's kind of not being a person anymore, you know? Yeah. Um, it's not a, it's not a real drive, right? It's like a thing that keeps you moving in a direction. And there, there are checkpoints along the way, but there is no end to it.

Right. Which I, I think is what happens to, uh, like, uh, a certain brand of kind of deranged billionaire where it's like, oh, why aren't you just like out there doing something good in the world? Why is it like you're trying to make the, the dollars continue to pile up in like they're useless to you? What are you doing?

And I think it's that, that you go down that path, like that dark path of just like, mm-hmm. Chasing the high of hitting those like very independent, very full oriented check marks. And once you're far enough down that road, there's no going back. 

[00:38:59] Zach: You know? Yeah. Once you've passed the amount of money that your lineage could ever spend, right?

Then you're just, you're just, uh, running up the scoreboard. There's no reason to make more money other than, um, yeah. Points, 

[00:39:14] Victor: right? Yeah. It's just points. Mm-hmm. And the, and you're chasing those points because you have not, uh, figured out how to get the life satisfaction and like a healthier place, I think.

Yeah. But it seems like, uh, I don't know, being like underground. Like in this dark concrete place. Like I know that it's reminiscent of the job, but it's like those, you, you already, like you said, you kind of, uh, set it up for us. But like, if you're looking for it, there's so many things in this dream that point towards like, despair at the idea of having to turn from the path you're on.

Right? It's like a part of you trying to like, sit comfortably with it. But uh, it's all of these things you don't like about your, uh, your old options or where you 

[00:40:04] Zach: started. Yeah. And the feeling at the end of it, when everyone was breaking down and I was remaining strong, was close to resignation. It was like the intersection of resignation and pride.

Cuz like, I felt strong and capable, but also like, well I guess this is my role being with the, the fucking char on, is that his name? The, the, the Fairy Men on the Rivers Sticks. I think that is his name. I'm a little rusty on my. Greek mythology. Um, there's 

[00:40:32] Victor: an entry here that I think, um, leans into this interpretation, um, enemy to dream of.

Your enemy represents an aspect of yourself that feels intentionally opposed to your own ideas or goals, and may also reflect a person or situation in your life that seems to be purposefully trying to make you lose or hurt your self-esteem. And then the part that stuck out to me, dreaming of an enemy may also reflect your staunch rejection of a person or situation, a person or problem that you want to avoid.

So like this guy showing up in your dream is like symbolic of you not wanting to end up in the scenario with these people 

[00:41:07] Zach: again. Yeah, but I was with those people just in a different capacity. Yeah. Yeah. Which is maybe how I see the funeral industry. There's like, it's a, it's a rip court, it's the second parachute, you know, if the first one fails, but it's not necessarily the dream.

It's just, I think the appeal is, I don't know if you have one of these like plans or if your current job is this plan, but like, I think the idea is that it's like at least I chose it, you know what I mean? Like I got into cooking incidentally, that that was just supposed to pay the bills through college, but then like you don't land one job, so you end up cooking more and then you know that resume gets thicker so you can always fall back on it and you just keep cooking.

Um, And you never meant to, but the idea would be on the funeral thing is like, well, if I didn't, uh, if I wasn't able to achieve dream A, at least plan B is something that I thought about and chose and went after. Hmm. And that feels more like a, a purposeful accomplishment then falling back on something that just happened to be there.


[00:42:10] Victor: I can, I can totally relate to that impulse. I do feel like, um, I felt like once I got outta school and I was trying to find work, I, I really felt like I was, um, just trying to not drown essentially. Like I felt like I was just kind of adrift in a storm and I was just like clinging to anything I could that would keep me from going under.

And it's kind of never stopped feeling like that, you know, it's just always kind of felt like following whatever path is keeping me afloat, you know? 

[00:42:41] Zach: Yeah. It's kind of the way. Set up. Right. Good dream, Zack. But yeah, I thought we might find something that would like diverge from my initial analysis of it, but 

[00:42:55] Victor: Well, we could dig into some dream Bible entries.

I've got, um, Olivia already was looking at suicide. We've got, um, Subway trains. I don't think that's right. I think there was a 

[00:43:05] Zach: sub terrain. Maybe. We were on a subway platform and regardless, I dream about subway trains all the time. So I, I would be curious just in general, 

[00:43:15] Victor: um, so I can read, I can read about trains all day long.

Uh, do you want just the platform part of the entry or do you want me to go down the whole subway 

[00:43:24] Zach: train? No, actually PLA platform. Yeah. Okay. That's relevant to 

[00:43:29] Victor: many dreams To dream of a subway train platform represents feelings about, uh, waiting responsibly for an opportunity to do something yourself and not have to tell anyone.

You are waiting to start or stop a progressive experience with interval. Dating, paycheck to paycheck, et cetera. 

[00:43:47] Zach: Huh? Yeah. Now I just reinforced what I just said. Yep. Well, sorry guys. What you're saying, I already crushed it. 

[00:43:58] Victor: To dream of something, subterranean represents some area of your life that you don't want noticed.

A wish to hide something, doing something privately or that doesn't draw attention. Hmm. 

[00:44:10] Zach: Yeah, I mean, that, that sort of resonates too with the whole, like you guys said, you had no idea that I was thinking about the funeral industry. That's, no, I don't think I knew that about you because that's the thing I didn't like tell anybody.

So the, the, so the subterranean entry resonates in that way. I wasn't exactly going around broadcasting my plan B. Well, now you 

[00:44:28] Victor: are, you're literally broadcasting your plan B. 

[00:44:33] Zach: Yeah. But plan a's get starting to get some traction. So it feels like less of a inevitability. Um, 

[00:44:40] Victor: so we've got, uh, the calm entry.

Would you say that your calmness was positive or negative? 

[00:44:47] Zach: Uh, it was bittersweet. 

[00:44:49] Victor: Bittersweet. You wouldn't call it negative? No. Okay. So the dream of feeling calm represents feelings of being aware of yourself, waiting, being patient, or not reacting. Feeling good, not needing to react, feeling that nothing currently serious happening.

That's what it says, feeling that nothing currently serious happening while thinking about a problem or uncertain situation. Accepting a situation as it is predictability or steadiness during uncertain or dangerous experiences. Feelings about a dangerous or uncertain situation. Not being a serious problem in the current moment, but that definitely has the potential to be a general sense that nothing is wrong.

And it just kind of described being calm, it feels like. 

[00:45:35] Zach: Yeah, but it did. It did resonate. The stuff about like not taking action or not having to take action Hmm. Is relevant to where I was when I was thinking about funeral stuff. Yeah. Because it was like, I don't have to do this right now. It's just something that I'm, it is just a safety net that I'm laying out.


[00:45:53] Victor: I think, uh, unfortunately you were getting your dream interpretation. Yeah. Legs. 

[00:45:59] Olivia: Yeah. I think you nailed this 

[00:46:00] Victor: one already. Yeah. You were getting your sea legs with this one. Um, and uh, yeah, I think, I think that's what this is. I think this is, you were thinking dreams are so often like, well, what's eating at you right now?

Yeah. Unfortunately. And then it'll keep doing, you'll keep dreaming about that thing until you move on from it and something else is eating at you and then your dreams will be about that new thing. Yes. Which has been a problem for us as a, as content. Cuz we, we keep drifting back to like, oh, why do I keep dreaming about this thing?

It's cuz it's bothering you. It's cuz it's the main thing 

[00:46:31] Zach: bothering you. Yeah. Even, and it's usually, yes, it's usually nothing that can be solved like that week. Right? Yeah. So you're not gonna like, have a brand new problem next week, you know? 

[00:46:45] Olivia: Yeah. It'd be interesting to see how like, over time do our, our dreams shift as our, I mean, if we just keep on chugging along doing this podcast, like as we shift into different eras, 

[00:46:59] Victor: our, 

[00:46:59] Zach: our worries are, I worry about that with my, the, the themes and my dreams.

Cuz it's like you were saying earlier, Olivia, like someone who's at least is, is what I got out of what you were saying earlier. Somebody who, uh, Like us who has aspirations and drives towards things. Discontent. People. Like who's to say when I get, when something takes off and I have like an awesome career, that I won't just be like, well, what's the next step?

Like I might be dreaming about career stuff forever. 

[00:47:29] Olivia: Right. Or I mean like, I also feel like some, some things are gonna take up a lot of real estate, whereas, Like when you've addressed that concern and when something is no longer a concern for you, um, other things can maybe step into the lights and take up more space.

Yeah. Um, 

[00:47:55] Zach: we all, we all need more problems, right? It's the thing. Or more people to ride in and give us their dreams. That's the young and the restless pod gmail.com. I should check that email. Sweet. Sometimes. Yeah. We might, we might have a bunch of, yeah. Find out. We might have a bunch of content waiting to be farmed.

[00:48:14] Victor: Is that the dream email? 

[00:48:16] Zach: Yeah. Oh, did I say it right? To Young and the restless pod gmail.com. Yeah, you said 

[00:48:22] Victor: it right. All right. No, I just, I was gonna check it really quick, see if I may. It's just a 

[00:48:26] Zach: bunch of WordPress. It's so rat. Rat in Sweet Dreamers. We're counting on you to keep being a pod. Yeah. 

[00:48:34] Victor: What is that con It's a like fundamental dissatisfaction.


[00:48:40] Olivia: Sounds right. 

[00:48:42] Zach: That certainly sounds like a thing. 

[00:48:44] Victor: It's just like an, an aspect of being human is, uh, that you're, there's things that you want, like there's, um, like being totally satisfied and perfectly content in like a lasting way is not really compatible with being a person. Yeah. Um, and so the, the trap is to like chase that to the detriment of like your ability to appreciate your life and the people in it.

Um, yeah. Yeah. But, uh, also yeah, make, make that money, you know, I guess. Yeah. I don't know. 

[00:49:22] Zach: Um, that's the thing that funeral directors make a shockingly. Salary. I mean, if, if you're a, um, if you own your funeral par parlor and you know, are also a business person, you, you can make a pretty fat salary. But like entry level for as important as I feel like a funeral director is, it's a pretty, it's pretty low median 

[00:49:42] Victor: the thing.

Okay. So not to, not to be disparaging of, of any profession, but the, the, I have kind of a negative perception of. That stuff because my, like, my understanding is that there's a lot of like upselling that happens with like caskets and funeral services and stuff. It depends on where you go. Yeah. With like people with their most vulnerable, you're gonna like try and try and like, 


[00:50:10] Zach: no, I had a bu I had a buddy who worked in sales at a, uh, it wasn't a funeral home though.

It was a place that sells casket. They, they, it was in the funeral industry, but he, he was a great salesman, but he didn't last long at that job Because of what you're saying. It was super cynical. Yeah. 

[00:50:28] Victor: Yeah. It just feels. Dark. 

[00:50:30] Zach: Yeah. They're not, I mean, obviously all my interactions with funeral directors have been positive.

Otherwise I wouldn't have have this vision. But, 

[00:50:38] Victor: well, but I mean, I think that that means like, you have, you have an idea of what it, what it should be and what it can be. Mm-hmm. Right. And so like, you wanna approach it in a respectful way where it's more about, um, being of service than it is about like Yeah.

You know, trying to sell the high-end casket, 

[00:50:57] Olivia: trying to sell them on extra cushions for their corpse. Right. 

[00:51:01] Zach: Yeah. No, I'm generally against the idea of, I mean, it's your body. You do what you want, but like for me, I don't wanna be buried. I feel like that's six feet of real estate too much. Mm. Like I just don't need to be, you're supposed to decomp.

Yeah, it's not very eco-friendly. Yeah. Which just doesn't make sense to put a bunch of material around you and the earth, which you're supposed to be returning to. Theoretical. Right, right. 

[00:51:28] Victor: Um, totally agree. Feels like denying you like your return to the earth or 

[00:51:34] Zach: like Yeah. You know, either want to be like, uh, Viking buried at sea, or.

Just cause I think that would be fun for the people to get to bury me to like, do archery with fire. Mm-hmm. I want the mushrooms to eat me. Yeah. Or I want, yeah, that's good. Or I want that. I wanna be like raw dog into the earth. Like, yeah. No, no casket. Just, just buried naked after you've taken all the useful organs out to donate the, the rest just feed the make me top soil.

[00:52:01] Olivia: They have this, they, I think the first, um, like body composting factory, I don't know what you call it, plant is, it's in Seattle. I think 

[00:52:13] Zach: there's no great word for 

[00:52:14] Olivia: it. Is there, huh? Yeah. Um, Emporium, I don't know. Uh, but like, It's kind of cool cuz they have these like, um, they're, it's inside, they have like boxes that they do all of the composting in and um, it surprisingly takes a short amount of time for a body to completely decompose.

It's like two months or something. 

[00:52:39] Zach: That makes perfect sense. I mean, from when we came Yeah. Ashes to ashes, 

[00:52:43] Olivia: you know? Right. Yeah. But so that, and then I think what they do is that they, they can then, like the family members can have some of the like, very fertile soil and like, take some of that home and like plant a tree or something, you know?

I, I don't know. Yeah. I like that idea. 

[00:53:02] Zach: I like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Like if you want, uh, something like that, then you can come get it. But I don't wanna like make you carry my urn around. Right. Go or go on an expedition to spread it. In the woods or whatever. Like for me, per, like, I, I don't know when, when, if someone I love dies, like I'm totally willing to like go outta my way for whatever their wishes were.

But personally, I, I wouldn't wanna. Burden anybody, but that's just, yeah, 

[00:53:31] Olivia: I'm gonna haunt Victor. That's what I've decided. I don't care what you do with my body, but like, I'm just gonna haunt you. 

[00:53:38] Victor:

[00:53:39] Zach: statistically you'll outlive him. That's, that's what you said. 

[00:53:43] Victor: I keep telling her that. Um. My ideal situation.

Okay. Big concrete box. Right. For the support. Cuz you gotta keep the casket clean cuz it's gonna be gold casket. Right. And then I would like, instead of dirt, I would like to be covered in other donor organs. 

[00:54:05] Zach: Just incinerate, fill that hole. Just incinerate the entire inventory of the organ donation wing of the hospital.

[00:54:15] Victor: I'm not saying they have to do it, I'm just saying that's the only thing that would make me happy.

[00:54:23] Zach: Yes dear. I would, I would like a, I would like a pyramid built for me to be very 

[00:54:29] Victor: buried. That's what I'm saying. Why aren't we still doing pyramids? Let's get back into that. 

[00:54:34] Zach: Yeah, bury me with all of my worldly possessions, all of my pets, and my best friends, right? 

[00:54:42] Victor: My spirit wouldn't be able to rest knowing that, uh, anything that I had in life was being useful to anybody.

[00:54:51] Zach: When I was a kid, I was staying at my aunt's house and, and it was a religious household, and they made us, uh, say our prayers before bed. And my cousin, we were probably like, I don't know, younger than 10 at the time, and he said, uh, and if I die before I wake, please destroy all my toys so none of the other kids can play with them.

And his mom was like, that's not how it goes, but I lost it. But we will, I lost my shit. That was the funniest thing I ever heard at that age.

And I just realized That's lyrics from the Yeah, from our intro. Yeah, that's right. Full circle. There's another way you can, there's a thing in, uh, in Scandinavia somewhere, you can have your body frozen and then like, like a statue and placed in front, placed in front of a giant speaker, and then they'll play a song and it shatters you into like, Like the wait.

That's badass. Are you joking? No, it's a real thing. Look it up. What? The vibrations from the speaker. The cones will shatter the ice into like dust 

[00:56:00] Victor: and you will What the be shattered? Yeah. You'll just be dissipated in like a pink 

[00:56:07] Olivia: mist. Can I watch a like, I don't know. Is this fucked up? But can I watch a video of this?

[00:56:11] Zach: don't know if they videotaped it. I just, and I don't know how many people have actually done it, but one of my favorite conversation starters is what song would you pick? 

[00:56:22] Olivia: Stairway to Heaven. 

[00:56:24] Victor: Oh, come on. That was like when I was like a Edge Lord Teenager. That was like something I would think about. I was like, what's the song I want to hear when I die?

There's no good 

[00:56:36] Olivia: answers. 

[00:56:37] Victor: What song do you want to, so go with the worst option, right? What song 

[00:56:40] Zach: do you want to evaporate Your body, right? 

[00:56:42] Olivia: Not Stairway to Heaven. 

[00:56:45] Zach: If I were to have like a traditional. Burial like slowly, you know, descended into the earth in a coffin. The song I would would want Played is, uh, dead by They might be Giants.

I don't think I, that song of that song often, the album Flood is a great song. Cool. But to evaporate my corpse and I don't know, it would have to be something that starts slow and then has like a big heavy drop that would be like you shatter on beat one. 

[00:57:12] Victor: Yeah. I feel like, like it's not a bad song, but it's definitely not like a song I would defend anymore.

But I feel like the right choice if you're gonna be shattered by a speaker is uh, cakes the distance.

[00:57:30] Zach: Yeah. That's, that's got a thumpy be. Yeah. Yeah. I'm 

[00:57:35] Victor: trying to figure 

[00:57:35] Olivia: out how to Google this. Yeah, I was Scandinavian figure, frozen body ice sculpture explosion. 

[00:57:43] Victor: It would be cool. How did you find 

[00:57:44] Zach: this? Uh, somebody told me about it, but I did, I fact checked them at the time, but this was years ago. Could have been an urban legend this whole time.

[00:57:53] Victor: We might have done it one time and then they're like, okay, we can't, we can't do that anymore. 

[00:57:59] Zach: Yeah. All right. That was fun. But we're all covered in human. Yeah. 

[00:58:05] Victor: Human Frost bites the only guy that ever got the honor. Oh. 

[00:58:09] Olivia: There's an Atlas Obscura entry about it. Um, 

[00:58:14] Zach: okay. It would be fun to have like multiple sculptures of you made out of ice so that like they could explode at different times throughout the song before it gets mm-hmm.

Before it gets to your actual frozen corpse. You can do that.

It's just one by one until it gets to you. 

[00:58:34] Victor: I think, you know, e everybody that just feels like the kind of. Sendoff. That is like such a main character syndrome thing, you know? There's so much of that Yeah. Out there as it is. Did you find it? Yeah. 

[00:58:52] Olivia: I think your friend was fucking with you because I don't think that they put your body sculpture in front of a speaker and they get to play music.

There's like, there's a machine that was invented that would freeze your body and then vibrate it and like shatter you into dust. But is this music? No. No. There's no music 

[00:59:12] Zach: involved. Well, they, why not? 

[00:59:15] Olivia: I mean, they could probably put on a 

[00:59:17] Victor: playlist. Yeah, they probably play a song and try and get the shaking machine to like time it appropriately.


[00:59:27] Zach: Well if it hasn't been done, then that's good news for me cause I get to invent it. 

[00:59:33] Victor: This, 

[00:59:34] Olivia: this, um, article is called Ice Block Man. Could a frozen dude smash in a million pieces? 

[00:59:43] Zach: Probably more than a million. 

[00:59:45] Victor: I feel like we don't have enough ways to get rid of bodies. We should do some brainstorming. I feel like there's gotta you, you want to get into the industry, Zach, why not?

Uh, be groundbreaking. You don't have to just roll in and do what everybody else is doing. We could be innovating here. 

[01:00:03] Zach: Like the point behind the plan B was to, to settle down. No, no, no, no. Not not to transfer my. Hustle into, 

[01:00:15] Victor: no. That's where life gets exciting is when you, you move into the, into the funeral business or the business, as we call it.

The Biz. The Biz. 

[01:00:28] Olivia: Thank you for listening to The Jung and the Restless. 

[01:00:31] Victor: You can follow us on social media at The Jung and the Restless Pod and submit your dreams for interpretation to The Jung and the Restless Pod at Gmail. 

[01:00:39] Zach: And as we always say, Jesus wasn't a 

[01:00:41] Victor: person. Jesus was.

[01:00:53] Zach: The clock is.

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