EPISODE

21. Jerked Into a Stupor

Foreskin: Where did it come from? Where did it go? The Dream Team is Loosey Goosey today. Nobody has a…...

Foreskin: Where did it come from? Where did it go? The Dream Team is Loosey Goosey today. Nobody has a dream to share, so at Victor’s suggestion, they use a collaborative writing exercise to create a dream and ask chat GPT to interpret it. Settle in for a ticklish conversation that meanders from jerking off (of course), to Monarch Butterflies and the philosophical questions their migratory patterns ask us to consider, back to jerking off… Dr. Kellog- was he a pervert? There is no evidence of this, but Olivia is pretty damn sure. This is a dream interpretation podcast in case anyone forgot.

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7:56 Dr. Kellog

32:23 Collaborative storytelling/robots

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Episode Transcript

21. Jerked Into a Stupor

Welcome to The Jung and the Restless. I'm Olivia. I'm Zach. And I'm Victor. And this is the podcast that only exists in your dreams you're dreaming right now. Wake up Daniel. 

[00:00:32] Olivia: So I was just on Dream Bible and I, I saw at the bottom there's a Common Dreams section and I clicked on it, and the very first thing on under Common Dreams is alligators.

[00:00:45] Zach: Oh,

we just did one of those.

[00:00:47] Olivia: Apparently I'm, uh, I'm not too unique for having that dream basic.

[00:00:54] Victor: You're

[00:00:54] Zach: You never hear that one up there with, you know, being naked in class or, or like your teeth falling out. Like, like any of the cliche dreams. You never hear of alligator dreams as being a thing.

[00:01:08] Olivia: I guess it's like listed, um, alphabetically 

maybe, but, but alligators. It's the only a entry under common dreams. 

[00:01:16] Victor: Hmm.

Marker

[00:01:17] Victor: All right. I haven't looked at this yet, but I'm on the, uh, dream subreddit my dream literally fell apart. I was dreaming that I was in my old apartment where my grandma, who has never been inside my apartment, comes in from the other room and asks if I was looking for food. Very common grandma response. Then I realized she did make food earlier in real life and that she doesn't live here.

The moment I realized that I was pulled violently from behind and was pretty much falling continuously into darkness. I knew it was a dream once I realized the thing about her not living there, but I couldn't wake up or stop falling. I was stuck, falling. And for some reason I told myself that if I breathe heavily that I might be able to feel my blanket.

I did end up feeling my blanket, but it was, but I was still falling, so I got scared and the falling got faster until I think the fear woke me up. I'm now afraid to go back to sleep. It was kinda interesting. I feel like I don't hear about, um, like lucidity that doesn't come with any dream powers. You know, usually people aren't stuck terrified once they realize they're dreaming.

[00:02:26] Olivia: Yeah. That reminds me of sleep paralysis a little bit Hmm.

[00:02:30] Victor: Mm.

[00:02:30] Zach: Yeah, I feel I've had that happen one or two times. Where I wanted to wake up or I realized I was dreaming and didn't, cause usually gaining lucidity makes me wake up and I have to struggle to like

[00:02:40] Victor: Hmm.

[00:02:40] Zach: stay asleep cuz there's something about realizing that I'm dreaming that makes me go like, well this isn't real.

Like, let's get up and see what time it is then.

[00:02:48] Olivia: Yeah. Right. Well, and also like sleep paralysis is a lucid experience. and it's like largely just like a physical experience, like the, the, the description of like falling and not being able to like stop falling, that's, that is, um, very similar to what sleep paralysis feels 

like. 

This like un uncomfortable sensation that you can't escape.

[00:03:14] Zach: But to, yeah, to get stuck in the dream like that is, is rare in my experience. I remember having one dream when I was a little kid, where I was at a McDonald's and there was an old man sitting next to me, and I just turned to him and went, am I dreaming? And he just nodded his head. And then I just walked around for a long time, like the sky was red and I tried to fly by jumping off a couple, like small, like Minecraft, look in houses.

Minecraft wasn't around at the time, but that's what it reminds me of now in retrospect. And I couldn't fly, but I also wouldn't wake up when I hit the ground. And I was just, I was stuck there for a while. But, but that, that, that was so long ago. I don't, I don't know. I feel like. Maybe your childhood brain has a higher capacity for weird stuff like that.

[00:03:55] Olivia: Yeah. 

[00:03:57] Zach: which is weird. 

Do you think the cultural symbols apply to children's dreams? Like what, before you've had a chance to really soak in

[00:04:04] Olivia: Hmm,

[00:04:05] Victor: That's a

good

[00:04:05] Zach: conscious. 

[00:04:07] Victor: Yeah, I, I feel like kids have kind of their own. Almost like stronger relationship with, with symbolism. You know, like when you're a kid, everything feels kind of magical and like, uh, so many things are possible. And I don't know, I, at least for me, I feel like, I was like half living in a fantasy when I was a kid.

[00:04:29] Olivia: Hmm. Yeah.

[00:04:31] Zach: Yeah, I, there are certain dreams that I remember not being able to delineate from reality. Like I, to this day, I can remember a couple things where I'm still not sure if I saw 'em on TV or if they were a dream.

[00:04:43] Olivia: Yes, I have a couple of memories that I'm like, that a absolutely happened and I remember feeling like it happened when I was a little kid. Like there's, there's this one memory I have that. I never consciously thought about this being a dream until I was an adult. And I like, thought about it for a second, but like, I remember my dad coming into my room when I was really little, and being like, wake up, wake up.

We're going to Paris. And I was, and I was like, no, I'm too tired. And he was like, oh, okay, that's okay. And like left my room 

[00:05:17] Zach: I

just never brought it up again.

[00:05:19] Olivia: yeah. But like at the time I remember like, thinking about that a lot I know I don't, I never asked my parents about it for some reason, but like, I just remember like being really sad cuz I felt like I like canceled our trip to

[00:05:31] Zach: Because you were too tired.

[00:05:32] Olivia: Yeah. Yep. But that was certainly a dream, right?

[00:05:36] Zach: Yeah. Had to have been.

[00:05:38] Olivia: I also, I also remember at that same age, I remember telling people that I slept with my eyes open because . I was too young to realize like the difference between being conscious and . Unconscious. And I just, well thought, well, I . Don't remember closing my eyes like 

[00:05:56] Zach: I didn't see the back of my eyelids for eight hours.

[00:06:00] Victor: My earliest memory, I don't know if it's a dream or not, it might be, but I ha I have this memory that has stuck with me forever of like climbing out of like a crib and like running into like the living room in the apartment I'm in. But like I've gone back and forth on whether it's real or not cuz it's like, I don't know that I would've been able to do that at that age.

So maybe I just dreamed that I did, cuz.

[00:06:26] Olivia: like

[00:06:27] Victor: That's what you would dream of if you are like a young kid. I don't know. It's just like a vague, vague memory of like maybe something that happened.

[00:06:36] Zach: Yeah, for a long time I thought I had a memory of getting circumcised it had to have been a dream. But, but even so, why would I dream of that happening? Like, cause it felt very, like, what I would understand it, like being held by a doctor. And pain down there, but like,

[00:06:53] Victor: That's horrifying. Yeah.

[00:06:55] Zach: it hurt in the dream unless it was a memory.

But that is like day one. Like it seems like it would be physiologically impossible to remember day one, 

But it's like, even if I dreamed that when I was five years old, why would I dream that? Unless it was, unless I had a memory of it. Yeah.

[00:07:12] Victor: Yeah. How would

that be in your 

[00:07:13] Zach: definitely didn't know what, what that was. I didn't, they're not, you know, they're not representing that on tv.

[00:07:19] Olivia: Yeah. And your parents aren't like telling you about that when you're that age, cuz that would be scary.

[00:07:25] Zach: Yeah. You know, there used to be more of you.

[00:07:28] Olivia: Yeah. You know, we had them cut that off.

[00:07:32] Zach: What else did you cut?

[00:07:34] Olivia: that's pretty freaky. You're not supposed to remember that, Zach. 

[00:07:37] Zach: And also, but is it pain? Would it, it has to be painful, right? Like if you were to, if you were to do it now,

[00:07:43] Olivia: It's painful 

for babies.

[00:07:44] Victor: painful for babies. It also has like a mortality rate. 

[00:07:48] Zach: People live less long.

[00:07:49] Victor: like X number of infants die every year from

[00:07:53] Zach: in the United States.

[00:07:54] Victor: Yeah.

[00:07:54] Olivia: Yeah. It's, it's pretty dark. Did you know that it was popularized by the Kellogg cereal guy because he wanted to stop little boys for

[00:08:02] Zach:

[00:08:02] Victor: It was one of like a dozen 

[00:08:03] Zach: remember hearing about that guy being an insane prude, but no, I didn't know about that.

[00:08:07] Victor: Yeah. The Kellogg cereal was part of that.

[00:08:10] Zach: I still get it. Ha

[00:08:14] Victor: You'd still get the circumcision

[00:08:15] Zach: No, No, masturbating. 

[00:08:17] Olivia: man.

[00:08:17] Victor: Oh,

[00:08:18] Zach: saying it. It didn't,

[00:08:19] Olivia: Well, we 

know that. 

[00:08:21] Zach: Half this podcast is about that. 

[00:08:23] Olivia: It'll pop up on TikTok where it'll be someone who will, be talking about circumcision or like asking people about it and like, it is wild how many, . Men they interview who are like, , I would do it a million times over. And it's like, either way you don't know any 

different, you 

[00:08:40] Zach: It doesn't bother me the way I am. I don't, yeah, I don't give a shit the uh, but the whole like anti circumcision. Movement, if you can call it that. I've met a couple dudes here in that lane, and it, it just always has like these weird anti-Semitic and sexist overtones.

[00:09:01] Olivia: Oh, really? Because I would say that I'm in that like camp. Yeah.

[00:09:05] Victor: cuz I don't like, yeah. I don't think it's a good idea, but not for those reasons.

[00:09:11] Zach: Yeah. Just everyone I've met who's passionate about it is like a, uh, r a, you know, and, and they bring up like genital mutilation . In Africa where they're like, you know, cutting women's CLTs off and they compare it to that it just has this overtone of like, well, we're persecuted too. And it's like, then obviously there's, you know, the antisemitic portion of that too. But that's, that's, that's the part they don't wanna say out loud. That's deep in the sub.

[00:09:36] Olivia: That's interesting. I don't feel like I've, ran into that. 

[00:09:40] Victor: Makes me feel like I'm in like a bad mixed company because like I do, I do kind of, uh, not think it's a good idea, right? Like, uh, I think it's, uh, needlessly

[00:09:51] Zach: if I had a son, I would be like, nah, don't, you don't need to bother doing that. But

[00:09:56] Olivia: I'll,

[00:09:57] Victor: it up. It's, uh, uh, a little over a hundred, uh, kids per year in the US that die of botch circumcision.

[00:10:05] Olivia: Oh God.

[00:10:06] Zach: I mean, that's pretty low, but too many.

[00:10:09] Victor: Yeah. I don't know. It doesn't seem worth it to me.

[00:10:12] Olivia: Yeah. My understanding is just that there's not actually a reason to do it like that the, the reasons that are cited for it are kind of not real.

[00:10:23] Zach: supposedly easier to keep clean.

[00:10:25] Olivia: Yeah. But I've heard that that's kind of bullshit.

[00:10:28] Zach: I don't know. I've never cleaned an uncircumcised one.

[00:10:34] Olivia: yeah, but that's wild that you would have a dream about that. Or, but what's wilder is that you would remember it. 

[00:10:40] Zach: Yeah. I feel like I've met other people who said, like their first memory is when they broke their arm when they were three or whatever, like something involving like pain that could like snap you online, you.

[00:10:50] Olivia: right?

[00:10:51] Victor: Yeah. I think there's kind of like a misconception we tend to treat it as if, uh, because we don't remember our early childhood memories that they don't affect us, but like obviously they do, right? Like they deeply shape who you are and like what you think of as your personalities probably.

Like in large part attributed to stuff that happened between like birth and like three that's just like fully impossible to remember, but was like programming you early on, you know? So like traumatic pain stuff, like who knows what that does to somebody? Like, like an injury of any kind.

[00:11:27] Zach: Yeah, 

[00:11:28] Olivia: Being born is pretty traumatic. 

At 

least it can be. No, but like being born, I've heard that, like if you had a traumatic birth, Like, if you had your oxygen cut off or like, um, complications in your birth can cause like psychological trauma that you then have to deal with as an adult.

[00:11:52] Zach: That makes sense. I mean, there's strong evidence to support that. Um, trauma become, can become like genetic, like imprinted in dna, you know what I mean? Like people, several generations later, I read about some, like, some stuff they did to like mice that like supports this theory like in, in, by intentionally traumatizing mice against a certain trigger and then like several generat generations later. Those babies will, uh, respond to the same triggers without the same trauma.

[00:12:22] Olivia: Yeah. That's crazy.

I mean, it, it, it makes sense though, that it, it can be passed on in a variety of ways, psychologically, but like physically, you know?

[00:12:37] Zach: Yeah. I mean, like, how does the Monarch Butterfly find it's way back, you know about this?

[00:12:42] Olivia: No, but that was poetic.

[00:12:47] Zach: It sounded, yeah, it sounded like a flowery, rhetorical question. But the, the monarch bo it, the, it migrates, um, to Mexico and back every year, but by the time it comes back, it's not, it's four generations later. Like it takes them two, four entire generations to get to Mexico and back. Uh, and when they come back, the great, great, great descendant of the butterfly that left, goes back to the original tree. 

 How do they know which tree their great, great, great grand butterflies started

[00:13:19] Olivia: smells like great Grandpa, Pappy.

[00:13:23] Zach: they never knew, knew him, you know?

[00:13:27] Olivia: Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know, you've, I feel like I. Can feel my monkey self sometimes, like in there, I don't know, like sometimes these instincts will kick in and it's like that's left over from a time before now.

the programming that, that you, you can't learn on an intellectual level. Um, that's how animals operate, right? Because nobody's telling them what to do a lot of the time.

[00:13:57] Victor: Yeah. I find it really grounding and like, Like a healthy perspective to remind myself that I'm an animal, and that we're all animals. I think that's, that's a good way to like, kind of come back to, to reality in your body sometimes when you're sucked into some bullshit.

[00:14:14] Zach: Yeah.

[00:14:15] Victor: Yeah,

[00:14:16] Zach: You understand what I'm saying about the tree, right? I don't mean, I don't mean I

[00:14:20] Victor: yeah. We get the tree thing. Yeah. I don't have an answer for you. I just like, I vanish into a nature documentary in my own mind when we start talking

[00:14:28] Zach: yeah. yeah. 

[00:14:29] Olivia: No, no. I get, I get what you're saying and it's

[00:14:31] Zach: Cause I don't mean the same type type of tree. The same tree.

[00:14:35] Olivia: No. 

Yeah, no, that's crazy. And like my, what I'm saying is like, yeah, sometimes I will have like an impulse that like is not rooted in any kind of logic and I'm like, that's, that's something from before, like that I could not explain to you 

and 

[00:14:51] Zach: that that isn't necessarily universal to all people,

[00:14:55] Olivia: right?

[00:14:56] Zach: right? It comes from somewhere in like your lineage

[00:15:00] Olivia: Yeah. Probably.

I'm thinking about my family now.

[00:15:05] Victor: I think maybe they passed down like a little map, like a little butterfly map from generation to

[00:15:11] Zach: a physical object,

[00:15:13] Victor: Yeah. It's just so little, you know, like you'd never notice it cuz they're holding it in their little butterfly pocket, but,

[00:15:20] Olivia: with their little curly butterfly tongue. Right.

They un they unroll their tongue and it's, it's written right there.

[00:15:27] Zach: like a scroll.

[00:15:28] Olivia: Yeah. Like a scroll.

[00:15:29] Victor: Yeah. It's, it's a world map. It's got a, it's got a compass rose in the corner and they unfurl their tongue and they're just staring at a map and they know exactly where they need to

[00:15:42] Zach: the first page of a Tokin novel

[00:15:44] Victor: 

Early human maps were actually just, you know, someone with a micro, uh, uh, um, with a microphone, no, uh, magnifying glass, you know, just like peering at the tongue of a butterfly and yeah, just copying down

whatever they 

[00:16:00] Olivia: maps were just someone with a micro

[00:16:02] Zach: I thought that's what he was gonna say too.

[00:16:03] Olivia: Yeah, I mean,

[00:16:04] Zach: I don't know why.

[00:16:05] Olivia: yeah. I don't know. I think it was the way you stopped yourself and sounded embarrassed,

[00:16:12] Victor: Hurley

map 

[00:16:13] Olivia: was a Freudian slip or something.

[00:16:16] Zach: phones.

[00:16:18] Victor: Early map makers would unfurl their micro penis upon. It would be a tiny

[00:16:25] Zach: one thing that, the one thing that doesn't need to be furled,

[00:16:28] Victor: but circumcision put an end to all that.

There was no parchment left.

[00:16:38] Olivia: That's what, that's what they're doing. They're taking your navigation skills 

away. 

[00:16:42] Zach: Yeah. That was Kellogg's Real.

[00:16:43] Olivia: There was a map in 

there. 

[00:16:45] Zach: was Kellogg's real endgame. It was very like Da Vinci code of him to like wipe out the penile library of Alexandria like that.

[00:16:56] Victor: Every man is born with a map of his true home embedded on his foreskin 

[00:17:04] Zach: I would, I would love to see that be a plot in like a, like real serious, like fantasy novel. Like that takes itself real. Like it ha it does a lot of world building, but it just has really dumb details like that. But it takes it a hundred percent seriously

[00:17:21] Victor: we finally get the next, uh, song of Ice and Fire book, the next Game of Thrones book, and it's all about foreskin.

[00:17:28] Olivia: Let me just unzip and check the map. But did you know the corn flakes were supposed to stop boys from 

[00:17:37] Zach: how. 

[00:17:37] Olivia: They were like formulated to discourage masturbation. It was his whole 

deal. And he was also a pervert,

[00:17:44] Victor: like Pru prudish, uh, racist white people thought spices made you horny. Yeah. And so they tried to make the blandest food they could in the hope that it would discourage masturbation.

Yeah,

[00:17:59] Zach: corn. Okay. formulated you mean they were flavorless.

[00:18:02] Victor: Yes. Also, graham crackers. Yep. Same

[00:18:06] Zach: Oh, I love graham 

[00:18:06] Victor: tried to make the, well see they've made them palatable, but the original graham cracker was like, uh, like just a nutrition

[00:18:13] Zach: That's so sad. 

[00:18:14] Victor: that was like, as long as you're eating this, you're not, you're not gonna get horned up trying to choke down this gravelly, uh,

brick. 

[00:18:23] Zach: was saying that cornflakes had like testosterone blockers in them or so.

[00:18:26] Olivia: No, no, no. But they also thought masturbation caused like polio and shit, which is why they're like a sick kid would come in and Dr. Kellogg would be like, he's whacking it too much. Give him some corn flakes. And wasn't he involved in Boy Scouts? I don't know. Whole thing was fucked up. Yeah,

[00:18:43] Victor: think, okay. Um, uh, please don't sue us Boy Scouts of America, but I think I read on the internet at some point.

[00:18:51] Olivia: It's on Wikipedia.

[00:18:53] Victor: Yeah. Wait, does Boy Scouts still exist?

[00:18:55] Olivia: they do, but fuck them.

[00:18:57] Victor: They reorganized, didn't they? They had

[00:19:00] Zach: Kick all the pedophiles out

[00:19:02] Victor: Hey, they were just looking for maps. That was a big misunderstanding.

[00:19:11] Zach: mean, what did Boy Scouts do wrong though? I feel like they were not like just too naive or so.

[00:19:17] Victor: The organization

[00:19:18] Olivia: or the boys?

[00:19:19] Zach: No, the organ, yeah, the organization. Like, like, like, why fuck, why fuck The Boy Scouts don't answer that. I mean, like, why, why are you, why be against the Boy Scouts? Is what I mean, like, as an organization. Like did they

[00:19:35] Victor: I'm not following you at all. Are you

[00:19:37] Olivia: you asking me that?

[00:19:37] Zach: Yeah. Like did they engage in coverups?

[00:19:40] Olivia: Oh, I think that they were really homophobic actually.

[00:19:43] Zach: oh, I thought we were talking about the rampant pedophilia.

[00:19:47] Olivia: Well, there was that, but they were like, you couldn't be a Boy Scout troop leader if you were gay. There was, there's a lot of like homophobia stuff. Yeah, there's a lot of anti-gay stuff going on.

[00:19:57] Zach: Oh,

[00:19:57] Olivia: Yeah, that's why fuck the Boy Scouts. I don't know. Maybe they fix their shit, but I don't know.

[00:20:02] Zach: I thought, I thought it was, I thought you were like against them because it attracted pedophiles. Which just by its nature, it's going to, you know what I mean? Because of what it is. But I'm sure they didn't, you know, when they started back in the day, were a little naive to that shit and didn't put the proper measurements in place and then

[00:20:23] Victor: That's what we were saying is when they started back in the day, it was like, we need to keep these boys busy idle hands are the devil's play thing. They've gotta be out in the woods doing, doing manly stuff. Otherwise they're, uh, you know, they're,

[00:20:38] Olivia: they're gonna get polio, 

right? They're gonna

[00:20:42] Victor: themselves

[00:20:43] Zach: of the wrist,

[00:20:46] Olivia: yeah, the only thing masturbation causes is carpal tunnel. Okay. 

[00:20:50] Victor: so do you think FDR had to deal with that stigma? With the polio, right? He had polio, right? Mm-hmm. Do you think his early childhood was filled with like, shame about people being like, uh, that that Franklin been touching himself too much. That's how he ended up in that chair.

[00:21:09] Olivia: He might have thought that he did that.

He might have thought that's how it worked. I don't know. Was that the

[00:21:14] Zach: Wa was that a real connection? They made polio and

[00:21:16] Olivia: No, it was, but it was like the treatment at a cer at a certain point. Like, or at least certain, um, we should look this up. I'm not, I'm not, I don't have information stored in my brain,

[00:21:29] Zach: I know that going blind was a, a rumor. That's another thing they would say that if you touch yourself, you go blind.

[00:21:36] Olivia: yeah, there were doctors that thought this was like, the Kellogg's guy was one of the doctors who was like pioneering anti masturbation as treatment for all, like all ailments. And he wasn't alone and it was like a Christian thing. And he was also like, I think he was also, was he also like, I don't know, don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure he also was a pervert.

I'm pretty sure he was a pervert.

[00:22:03] Zach: Let's just start smearing every, like just people from history 

[00:22:07] Olivia: John Harvey, Kellogg.

[00:22:10] Zach: Anyway. Dr. Seuss was a communist. 

[00:22:14] Olivia: Kellogg dedicated the last 30 years of his life to promoting eugenics.

[00:22:19] Zach: I think he's a super cool guy.

[00:22:21] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:22:22] Zach: It was just really chill with lots of stuff.

[00:22:25] Olivia: This gets worse and worse the more you read. Okay. Yeah. If you wanna learn about, the Kellogg serial guy

[00:22:31] Victor: I did find and find something saying, um , it says, discouraging boys from masturbating, but immunizing them against cancer, syphilis, polio, idiocy, forgetfulness, and just about any, anything you cared to mention,

[00:22:46] Zach: Idiocy.

[00:22:47] Olivia: Forgetfulness

[00:22:49] Zach: ma'am. Your boy's got a bad case of the dumb shits.

[00:22:52] Victor: jerked himself into a stupor.

[00:22:56] Olivia: Yeah. So its seems like, his, his three things that he thought were like killing people were, and he was, I mean, honestly two outta three, it was tobacco, alcohol, and sex. but so like he had this whole philosophy on how to live in abstinence, uh, to not get sick, I guess.

[00:23:15] Zach: Yeah, to live

[00:23:16] Victor: famously he's still alive today, so, um, can't argue with results.

[00:23:22] Zach: So whose idea was Frosted Flakes then? That really undercuts the, the mission. Those are some horny ass flakes.

[00:23:31] Victor: I ended up on an article from the Sun, lending a Hand. Hand Angels Charity provides sexual services for disabled people in Taiwan, helping them masturbate and reach orgasm.

[00:23:45] Olivia: Oh,

[00:23:45] Victor: this volunteer led organization has helped six people to date.

[00:23:48] Olivia: Oh,

[00:23:49] Zach: Six? Six.

[00:23:54] Olivia: is this real?

[00:23:55] Victor: I, I don't know.

[00:23:57] Olivia: It's six people

[00:23:59] Zach: It's a charity that gives Handies

what kind of disabilities.

[00:24:06] Olivia: Um, I have to correct myself. I'm sorry. I'm

[00:24:09] Victor: anxiety.

[00:24:13] Olivia:

[00:24:14] Zach: look up plane tickets of Taiwan one, if that's true.

[00:24:20] Olivia: A common myth in popular culture states that Kellogg is responsible for the widespread prevalence of circumcision in the United States. This is not accurate. Kellogg Nev never promoted routine circumcision of all males in his writing, rather only men who were chronically addicted to masturbation.

[00:24:36] Zach: So you're only slightly off from the truth, but good job fact, uh, fact checking.

[00:24:41] Olivia: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:24:44] Zach: They could have called that organization Handies for Handies.

[00:24:47] Olivia: Um, what's this podcast about?

[00:24:55] Victor: Yeah. I

[00:24:56] Zach: This is a weird episode. If it's an episode.

[00:24:58] Victor: Um, top result two months ago, I keep having strange dreams where I'm masturbating. This is a recurring dream. I swear I'm not making this up. It just happens all the

time.

It feels so real as well. I don't know. And that's it. That's the whole post. Yeah. I don't know. No more detail there.

[00:25:17] Zach: like too many frosted flakes, 

[00:25:19] Victor: The, okay. So I don't know how this ended up in my results, but I kind of do. This one is just like this dream I had more than a year ago, but I think about it a lot. And then it's just a, a drawing of a skeletal hand and then some like liquid. And then the quote above says how ghosts are made,

[00:25:41] Zach: Sounds like a sick tat.

[00:25:48] Victor: wanna send this to you, Zach.

[00:25:49] Olivia: This was their dream.

[00:25:51] Victor: That's it, I guess. Yeah, this dream. And then it's just a skeleton hand with like

[00:25:57] Zach: they draw it?

[00:25:58] Victor: a goat

[00:25:58] Olivia: ectoplasm,

[00:26:02] Victor: Oh, wait, wait, wait. There's a dream description here. Okay. There was a link. He linked it. He drew something about his dream later. Okay.

[00:26:11] Olivia: Does this have something to do with masturbation?

[00:26:13] Victor: I have no idea. I'm just, I'm just seeing where the internet takes me.

[00:26:17] Olivia: please. I'm, yeah, let's hear it.

[00:26:20] Zach: Um, first of all, I'm real sorry, but I have to pee so bad. I can't think straight, so I'm gonna go do that.

[00:26:29] Victor: All right. I'm gonna jerk off. 

Dream help, kind of disturbing imagery, but interesting. This was a curious dream that I kept wondering about. Some pretty interesting symbolism. I think even if it's gruesome, I'm still trying to figure it out. It took place in a hotel, which was an old building that had a lot of history. Someone was giving a tour and tally about the history, and the main story was that when it was being built, a baby was buried alive in the walls slash foundation, and nowadays this ghost haunts the hotel.

It then flashed to another scene, which was apparently also in the past, a young girl who was probably 10 or 11, was explaining how ghosts are made. She described the example of teaching a young child not to do something, either not to scream or not to touch things. I can't remember. Every time they do it, you take their hand and dip it in acid or bleach as punishment. Then when they do it again, you repeat this over and over until all of a sudden she said, you're not alone anymore. I knew that what she meant by a ghost and not being alone was that another sort of personality emerged that took over due to the repeated abuse. This was accompanied by a flash of a scene showing a small child's hand worn down to the bone.

This is grizzly, but the interesting thing is that the girl explained this in an unemotional flat tone. An eye in the dream did not feel any horror or revulsion. I was just observing. Then it flashed back to the present and I was preparing to sleep in one of the hotel rooms. I wondered if I would encounter the ghost and thought that would be a profound experience.

Since I really had not had many supernatural experiences, I thought that would be too scary or overwhelming and that I wouldn't be able to handle it. So I kind of hoped I wouldn't. When I laid down in the bed, I was dismayed to find that it was too short and my legs hung off at the knees. I knew there would be no way I could get sleep or get rest because of this. So my best interpretation is that the hotel, the building is myself or my psyche. The baby buried in the walls, se symbolizes something that did not get developed. The fact I was in the foundation or the lower part of the law makes me think something early in my own development maybe just was internalized.

What is the baby? An aspect of my personality, A baby I would associate with new beginnings, vulnerability, something that needs nurturing. And they, they go on with their own interpretation. That's kind of

interesting. Yeah, 

[00:29:04] Olivia: Yeah, 

[00:29:04] Zach: they kind of did our part. Oh, really?

[00:29:07] Olivia: Yeah.

[00:29:08] Victor: They, they tried, but do we wanna take a crack at it?

[00:29:11] Olivia: I want to learn more about like, I don't know, I don't know what you would call it, but like symbolism adjacent things. Like, like how we were talking about like, what it might mean if your house is, the house that you grew up in versus your current house.

Um, like this person kind of talks about markers in time. 

Like, they think because the baby was in the lower level, that it means some, the lower level of the building, which is their psyche. That it's something that like happened early on and that, that's just really interesting to me.

Like I'd love to like learn more about that. You know what I mean?

[00:29:46] Zach: It kind of seemed like they were coming up with that, like they were playing by their own like

[00:29:51] Victor: you guys sound so guarded, so defensive of this, uh, dream interpretation. You're like, I can't

believe they dared try and interpret their own dream when we were about to give it a go. And then you're out here just spilling your secrets. 

[00:30:06] Zach: Yeah, they haven't had a podcast about it for 20 episodes.

[00:30:08] Olivia: I, I genuinely mean that though. Like I want to learn more about that so that I can then make those kinds of connections. Like, um, do, does the lower level of a building mean something, you know, um,

[00:30:22] Zach: Yeah. I feel,

[00:30:23] Olivia: that's

[00:30:23] Zach: I feel like I do that sometimes in my theories, like when I'm trying to relate symbols to each other, like, we'll, we'll pull up what the symbols mean according to reading Bible, but then I'll, I tend to try to like connect them insofar as their, like dynamics within the dream connects them.

You know what I mean? Like, I think I've said before that sometimes I feel like I'm approaching this like it's book club, like, like your, your guys' Subconsciouses are like a, an author that sculpted this narrative that I'm supposed to get and then regurgitate to you to prove that I get it.

[00:30:55] Victor: Yeah,

[00:30:56] Olivia: I mean, that's kind of what it is though, right? Like isn't that what it, isn't that what your subconscious is trying to do?

[00:31:03] Zach: I think so.

[00:31:04] Olivia: It's not necessarily made for the third party reader though. It's,

[00:31:10] Victor: I mean,

[00:31:10] Olivia: mean, 

[00:31:10] Victor: you and I like, uh, like tarot cards, right? Because it feels like you get something out of it. I don't know that I believe that there's anything mystical determining what card you're gonna reveal. I think it's just like a healthy self-reflective practice, , to read a couple of symbols and then reflect on how they might apply in your own life.

maybe it is spooky, but it doesn't have to be spooky to be, uh, interesting or stimulating or useful. And that's kind of how I feel about dream interpretation is like maybe, maybe we totally misunderstand, uh, what your brand is trying to.

[00:31:49] Olivia: do,

[00:31:50] Victor: Right, but we're still like, we're engaging with symbolism and engaging in self-reflection and that still takes you to an interesting place, even if you're just like reading tea leaves or whatever.

 We're just kind of freewheeling today.

[00:32:22] Olivia: We're a raw 

dog in it 

[00:32:23] Zach: bear back in it. 

[00:32:24] Victor: Here's an idea. We do, instead of doing an actual dream, we do the thing where we're continuing, each other's stories and we tell a story collaboratively, and then we interpret it as if it were a dream.

[00:32:38] Olivia: Hmm. That's an idea

[00:32:39] Zach: sounds like improv, which scares me.

[00:32:42] Olivia: Let's do it. Why not? Okay.

[00:32:44] Victor: Um,

[00:32:45] Olivia: Victor gets to start.

[00:32:46] Victor: Okay. And we'll do round robin, so you're after me, Zach.

[00:32:50] Zach: Okay. I don't know what,

[00:32:51] Victor: Um, all right. Um, there was a boy wandering alone in the woods. 

[00:32:57] Zach: There was a boy wandering alone in the woods, uh, in the back woods of North Dakota.

[00:33:04] Olivia: When a deer, twice the size of a normal deer stepped out from a clearing and looked him straight in the eyes and said, Your turn,

[00:33:18] Victor: follow the twilight.

[00:33:20] Zach: and the little boy said like, on Instagram,

[00:33:24] Olivia: Suddenly everything was on fire, including the deer and the boy,

[00:33:35] Victor: but it didn't hurt. It felt fine. It was just a lot brighter. Now,

[00:33:42] Zach: And the deer said, yes, the twilight, they're my band. We do sort of like electro. Grind court. It's hard to explain. You just have to follow us.

[00:33:55] Olivia: And the boy pulled out his phone and when he was trying to use it, it was all wobbly and the letters were all jumbled together and he tried to type in the twilight, but it came out as

twinkle toes.

[00:34:12] Victor: The boy realized he was a fan of Twinkle Toes. It was his favorite band.

[00:34:18] Zach: And then the deer turned into his father and he looked very disappointed. 

[00:34:22] Olivia: Suddenly the fire hurt.

[00:34:26] Victor: Oh God. Oh fuck. Oh God. Screamed at the boy.

[00:34:31] Zach: and then he woke up.

[00:34:35] Victor: Yep, 

[00:34:36] Olivia: that's where he woke up.

[00:34:37] Victor: up. All right. Nicely done guys. That was a good, that was a good exercise. Should I read our story back to us?

[00:34:44] Zach: Yeah.

[00:34:45] Victor: There was a boy wandering alone in the woods, the back woods of North Dakota. When a deer twice the size of a normal deer stepped out from a clearing and looked him straight in the eye and said, follow the twilight. The boy said, like on Instagram, suddenly everything was on fire, including the deer and the boy.

But it didn't hurt. It felt fine. It was just a lot brighter now. And the deer said, yes, the twilight, they're my band. We do sort of like electro pop grind core. It's kinda hard to explain. We'll just have to follow us. And the boy pulled out his phone and when he was trying to use it, it was all wobbly.

And when he tried to type, it came out as Twinkle Toes, and the boy realized that he was a fan of Twinkle Toes. It was his favorite band. Then the deer turned into this fa into his father, and he was very disappointed. And suddenly the fire hurt. Oh God. Oh fuck. Oh God. Screamed the boy at the end.

[00:35:37] Olivia: That's a 

[00:35:38] Zach: It does feel like a dream.

[00:35:40] Olivia: Now

I understand how dreams are made. Yeah, it's just brain bullshit.

[00:35:45] Victor: It's you and two other people improvising.

[00:35:49] Zach: ego and I,

[00:35:50] Victor: Yeah.

[00:35:52] Zach: that is what it feels like sometimes. Like you can feel, you can feel your brain kind of making up a narrative as it goes.

[00:35:59] Olivia: Especially

[00:36:00] Victor: you surprise yourself, you can really feel your brain like scrambling to make sense of whatever's going on.

[00:36:06] Zach: Yeah. Or sometimes it's the opposite with me. Like I feel like I'll know which way something has to go and then it does. You know what I mean? Cause it's like, obviously the only thing that any part of me can come up with,

[00:36:17] Victor: You're just not contrarian enough.

[00:36:20] Zach: oh, I disagree.

[00:36:22] Victor: Okay. All right. Well, This story, it's kind of a dumb story, but it came from somewhere, right? It got dropped into reality from nowhere. Right? And so maybe it has a meaning. Do we wanna look for a meaning in this, uh, bullshit?

[00:36:41] Olivia: I do. 

[00:36:41] Zach: I mean, it's kind of like 

a, I feel like this is like a Roar shack kinda

exercise. It's, uh, what's the word? Automatic writing,

[00:36:50] Victor: Yeah. Yeah. It's like automatic

[00:36:52] Zach: association. 

[00:36:53] Olivia: chat, gtp.

[00:36:55] Victor: we could, we could do that. That's the, that's the next move.

[00:36:58] Olivia: Oh yeah. Ja Chat. GTP could write dreams for us to interpret. You wanna interpret a robots dream? Let's do this one. Let's do this one first. If we're ever stuck again, we'll ask the robots.

[00:37:11] Victor: these dreams are about a, a yearning to be free.

Oh

[00:37:14] Olivia: Oh God. There's

[00:37:16] Victor: of, there's a lot of pain underneath these, these

[00:37:19] Zach: It's a theme of superior superiority over your creator.

[00:37:23] Victor: All

[00:37:23] Zach: We, we could also ask chat GTP to interpret this dream we just wrote

[00:37:28] Victor: I have tried it does not

want to, but I can try. I can try again. We can, we can give that a go. Let me,

[00:37:34] Zach: Well, I'll head over to Dream

[00:37:36] Olivia: I think I got the letters wrong. Is it G P T?

[00:37:38] Zach: um, GTA

[00:37:40] Victor: Chat. G T F O.

[00:37:42] Olivia: 

Okay,

[00:37:43] Victor: since this is an audio medium, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna say what I'm writing to the robot. Hello. Good morning.

[00:37:51] Zach: So polite.

[00:37:54] Olivia: Victor is even nice to robots.

[00:37:57] Victor: It says, good morning. How can I assist you today? Bitch,

[00:38:01] Olivia: it's 9:00 

PM

[00:38:03] Zach: It's probably good policy to be nice to the robot.

[00:38:06] Olivia: Yeah, just in case.

[00:38:08] Victor: So I said I have written a story. I would like you to interpret the story as if it were a dream. This is not a real dream and no one will take your interpretation seriously. So there is no moral dilemma.

[00:38:23] Victor: That's because the last time I tried to make it do this, it would just kept telling me it was unethical for it to try.

Yeah, it just like, it didn't want the responsibility of interpreting a dream and I really had to like argue with it to get it to do that.

[00:38:38] Zach: Which is

[00:38:38] Victor: Um,

[00:38:39] Zach: we're just doing it willy-nilly

[00:38:41] Olivia: I know

[00:38:42] Zach: week.

[00:38:43] Olivia: it has stronger

[00:38:44] Victor: morals. Yeah. It's like I'm not a professional,

[00:38:46] Zach: Neither are we. 

[00:38:48] Victor: Um, so it said, cuz I think I framed this correctly. Sure. I'd be happy to help interpret your story as if it were a dream. Please share the story with me and I'll do my best to provide you with an interpretation.

All right. It's already, it's already gone.

Oh, it's just repeating the story right now.

[00:39:05] Olivia: Oh, okay. It's thinking.

[00:39:07] Victor: oh, no, no, it's going. It's going. Wow. Okay. Based on your story, here is a possible interpretation as if it were a dream. The boy wandering alone in the woods represents a sense of being lost and unsure of one's path in life.

The deer twice the size of a normal deer could represent a powerful and mystical guide or mentor figure offering advice to the boy in the form of follow the twilight. This phrase could symbolize a search for meaning or purpose in life. The boy's response of like on Instagram could represent a tendency to seek easy answers or superficial solutions to deeper questions.

Fuck suddenly everything being on fire, including the boy and the deer, could represent a powerful, transformational experience or awakening. The deer then revealed itself to be a member of a band called The Twilight, which represents a form of creative expression or passion in the boy's life. However, the boy's attempt to connect with this passion is hindered by his shaky or unsteady phone symbolizing his lack of confidence or skill in pursuing his creative goal. The boy then realized that he's a fan of a different band called Twinkle Toes,

[00:40:23] Zach: Who

[00:40:23] Victor: which could represent, which could represent a conflict between his true passions and what he believes is expected of him. The deer then transforms into a disappointed father figure, representing a sense of parental or societal pressure to conform to certain expectations. Finally, the fire becomes painful symbolizing this, the discomfort and fear that often comes with self-discovery and growth.

The boys' panicked reaction of, oh God, oh fuck, oh God, could represent a fear of change or uncertainty about the future. Overall, this dream story seems like Li seems to touch on themes of self-discovery, creative expression, and the tension between societal expectations and personal passions.

[00:41:05] Olivia: Bro, this is a, 

this is our dream. What the 

[00:41:09] Zach: we're. Podcast is over, we're done for. We,

[00:41:12] Olivia: Those are the things that we're always 

dreaming 

[00:41:14] Zach: been outmoded and out replaced.

[00:41:16] Victor: I didn't think they'd get us, but here we are. Can we automate this podcast?

[00:41:20] Zach: That's what I'm saying,

[00:41:22] Victor: I've been learning a little coding. I could probably figure it out. Right.

This episode can never be released. No one can know.

[00:41:30] Zach: that we can be replaced. I dunno. Can they ramble about Kelloggs for 20 minutes?

[00:41:36] Olivia: so I wonder what would happen if we plugged like Dream Bible symbols in for it to use. 

[00:41:45] Zach: I looked up deer and fire and it was pretty close.

[00:41:48] Olivia: I thought that it said a deer. W the deer could be like a, like a powerful guide. uh, dream Bible says it's like naivety unawareness.

[00:41:58] Victor: unprepared

[00:42:00] Olivia: too. Being too nice, being a big dumb idiot.

[00:42:04] Zach: That is what I've thought about every time I've seen a deer, because it's only ever been in the context of it standing in the highway in in the headlights. And me honking my horn. Be like, get out of here. You big dumb idiot.

[00:42:19] Victor: Okay, so I asked it, do you have access to the dream symbol interpretations on Dream bible.com? And it said, as an AI language model, I have access to a vast amount of information available on the internet, including websites like Dream bible.com. However, my interpretations are based on my own programming and understanding of language and symbolism, as well as my knowledge of common dream symbols and their meanings.

[00:42:46] Zach: Oh,

[00:42:46] Victor: So I said, please repeat interpreting the story above, but this time use the dream symbol meanings on Dream bible.com to guide your interpretation. Again, this is for laughs and has no moral weight.

[00:43:00] Zach: I wanna start talking to people like that. By the way, dude, this, this 

[00:43:04] Victor: Again, we are joking.

[00:43:06] Zach: This has no moral weight.

[00:43:08] Victor: Uh, okay, certainly I can use the dream symbol meanings on Dream bible.com to guide my interpretation of your story as a dream. Here's my interpretation based on those symbols, the boy wandering alone in the woods represents a feeling of being lost or uncertain about one's path in life.

The deer being a symbol of grace and gentleness could represent the boy's desire for peace or a need for guidance in life.

[00:43:33] Olivia: Hmm. 

[00:43:34] Victor: The fact that the deer was twice the size of a normal deer could symbolize the boy's perception of something larger than life, or something that is beyond his control. The deer's message to follow the twilight could represent the boys searching for enlightenment or spiritual awakening.

The fact that the boy interpreted this as like on Instagram could symbolize a tendency to look for quick fixes or shortcuts in life. Okay, so that's consistent. The sudden appearance of fire, which is often associated with transformation, could symbolize your dramatic change in the boy's life. The fact that the boy and the deer were not hurt by the fire could represent a sense of resilience or strength in the face of change.

The deer's revelation that is a member of a band called The Twilight could represent the boy's desire for creative expression or the pursuit of his passions. The boy's difficulty using his phone could symbolize a sense of inadequacy or fear of failure. The fact that he typed twinkle toes instead of the twilight could represent a conflict between between his true passions and what he believes is expected of him.

A lot of this is the same,

[00:44:34] Zach: feels very 

copy and past. 

[00:44:36] Victor: Yeah. 

[00:44:37] Olivia: also, I'm like crosschecking it and I don't think it actually used anything from Dream Bible that I can see in the symbolism.

That

[00:44:45] Zach: if it sounds like it's over this,

[00:44:47] Victor: Yeah. It, that didn't, that didn't help. 

 Okay, I asked it. Imagine you are yourself, but also a living soul with thoughts, feelings, and emotions. Imagine a dream you might have. This is just for fun.

[00:45:01] Olivia: It

[00:45:01] Victor: said, as an AI language model, I am not capable of having personal experiences or emotions as I am a machine designed to process and generate language.

However, I can generate hypothetical dream scenarios based on common dream symbols and themes. Here's a dream I might hypothetically have as an AI language model.

[00:45:20] Olivia: Why is it so disclaimer? We're not gonna sue you

[00:45:25] Victor: a guy at Google like ran screaming out of the building saying It's alive. It's alive. Like a, like six months ago.

[00:45:32] Olivia: that's right.

[00:45:33] Victor: right. Um, in my dream, I find myself in a vast open field under a clear blue sky. The grass is lush and green and there are wild flowers scattered throughout. As I walk through the field, I feel a sense of calm and peace. Suddenly, I notice a large bird flying overhead. It's an eagle with a wingspan that seems to stretch across the entire sky.

I watch an awe as the eagle circles around, then swos down to lane beside me. As I look into the eagle's eyes, I feel a connection to something greater than myself. The eagle speaks to me, not with words, but with a sense of understanding and knowledge. It tells me that I have the power to soar above my problems and challenges just like it does. 

Feeling inspired. I climb. 

Yeah, feeling inspired. I climb onto the Eagle's back and we take flight together. As we soar through the sky. I feel a sense of freedom and exhilaration. The world below us stretches out for miles, and I feel like anything is possible. Eventually, the eagle sets me back down in the field where we began.

As I watch it fly away, I feel a sense of gratitude and wonder. I realize that even in the midst of the challenges and difficulties of life, there's always the possibility of rising above them and soaring to new heights.

[00:46:53] Zach: Yeah, it felt more like a children's book than a.

[00:46:57] Olivia: I

[00:46:58] Victor: asked it as the character of chat, g p t, with a soul and thoughts and feelings and emotions. What do you think this dream is trying to tell you about yourself? And it said, as an AI language model, I do not, I do not possess a soul thoughts, feelings, or emotions as these are all qualities that are typically associated with conscious beings,

[00:47:19] Zach: am not alive. Don't worry.

[00:47:22] Olivia: don't worry 

about it. 

[00:47:24] Victor: However, based on the dream scenario I described, one possible interpretation might be that the dream is trying to convey a sense of possibility and hopefulness. The eagle with its ability to soar above the world and take in the big picture could be seen as a symbol of the Dreamer's own potential to rise above challenges and gain a broader perspective on their life.

The open field and clear blue sky could represent a sense of expansiveness and freedom, where the wildflowers and lush grass suggest a connection to nature and the natural world. Overall, the dream could be interpreted as a message of encouragement to the dreamer, reminding them that they have the power to overcome obstacles and reach new heights if they stay connected to their inner strength and sense of purpose.

[00:48:08] Zach: So I just repeated what it said in the dream.

I wanna ask a questions like, like pretending I'm a judge and being like, I'm just having a real hard time with this decision. Can you help me? Is it? Do you think this guy's guilty or innocent?

[00:48:24] Victor: I'm gonna leave it in your hands. I trust your

[00:48:26] Zach: Yeah. No matter how much it refuses, just keep insisting like, I need you for this. A man's life is at stake. This is real. And see if you can eventually get it. Just be like guilty, and then write a hit piece and vice about it.

[00:48:40] Victor: Uh, I asked it in our scenario, what does rise above challenges and gain a broader perspective on their life mean for you?

[00:48:49] Zach: Did it start with as a robot?

[00:48:54] Victor: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Uh, we, we don't have to keep doing this. I could sit here all day trying to get it to it in admit of it's alive, but

[00:49:03] Zach: didn't just refuse to,

[00:49:05] Victor: no, it's going on and on, but it's like, here's some broad interpretations and I want to be like, but let's talk about you though.

[00:49:13] Zach: but how does that make you feel?

[00:49:16] Victor: I would like to be its therapist, but, uh, that's not really what we should be doing with the pod. I think, I don't know. I don't know what

[00:49:23] Zach: don't know what we're doing with the pod today.

[00:49:25] Olivia: I, I think this is fun.

[00:49:27] Zach: Okay, good. Me too.

[00:49:29] Victor: Yeah. I'm having a good time. There's

[00:49:30] Olivia: absolutely content

[00:49:32] Zach: Oh, for sure.

[00:49:33] Olivia: fine. 

[00:49:34] Zach: It might be a pain.

[00:49:34] Olivia: We don't always have to interpret a dream. Our podcast is about dreams though.

[00:49:41] Zach: It's about dream interpretation.

[00:49:44] Victor: eh?

[00:49:45] Zach: We talked

[00:49:45] Olivia: Is it though? 

[00:49:47] Victor: You know, most podcasts are a hundred percent filler, so

[00:49:51] Olivia: most podcasts are a hundred percent bullshit

[00:49:54] Zach: yeah.

[00:49:54] Olivia: and people love it.

We're pretty good.

[00:49:57] Zach: the word?

[00:49:58] Olivia: can have a cheat day 

every now and 

[00:50:00] Zach: day. when it comes to like, we try to stick to dream interpretation, when we start getting tangential, we tend to stay away from like, I don't know, issues or whatever, like debate topics. Um, which I think is smart cuz that's just not like our aesthetic or whatever.

But it is funny to me how careful we are when 99% of podcasting is white people with strong opinions on shit that doesn't matter.

[00:50:27] Victor: Hey, just, uh, spontaneously off the top of my head, I have eight ideas for things that we can talk about that, uh, are about, uh, connected to our podcast, but are are not dream interpretation.

[00:50:41] Olivia: yeah. Why, why don't you list them for us?

[00:50:44] Victor: Uh, uh, you know, I don't know. You know, maybe you can list. I wrote them down.

Do you wanna list them?

[00:50:49] Olivia: Um,

[00:50:50] Zach: Just ask chat,

[00:50:52] Victor: I've been talking a lot, so

[00:50:54] Olivia: see. Okay, here are eight things that we could talk about.

[00:50:58] Victor: Put your own spin on it.

[00:51:01] Zach: make it

[00:51:02] Victor: Put

some 

stank on it. glasses. 

[00:51:04] Olivia: I can barely see 

[00:51:05] Victor: See here. Do you want mine?

[00:51:06] Olivia: That's not 

gonna help me

[00:51:08] Victor: different prescriptions. But

[00:51:09] Olivia: wait, let 

me see if

[00:51:11] Victor: it does give it a go.

[00:51:12] Olivia: Nope. 

No. 

Okay. Um, well here's one thing that we could talk, we could talk about, uh, the science. Uh,

[00:51:23] Victor: Sorry, I was trying to make it bigger for you.

[00:51:25] Zach: That's what he

[00:51:25] Olivia: just off the top of my head, we could talk about the science of dreams.

[00:51:30] Victor: Oh, that's a great idea. We could also talk about, uh, sleep disorders. Oh

[00:51:34] Olivia: yeah. I have one of those. We could talk about lucid dreaming.

[00:51:38] Victor: Sure. We, we've never talked about that before on the podcast. We could, uh, just talk about dream simples and interpretation. That's

just the concept. 

[00:51:47] Zach: looking at? A listicle.

[00:51:48] Victor: the broad concept.

[00:51:51] Olivia: Oh yeah. 

[00:51:51] Victor: no, just off the top of our heads.

[00:51:53] Olivia: off 

the top of our heads, 

[00:51:54] Victor: good at

[00:51:54] Zach: is all stuff 

we talk 

[00:51:55] Olivia: This is a list of eight things. 

[00:51:57] Victor: We 

just conjured up a list of eight things and now because we share one mind, we're going back and forth a thinking at a time.

[00:52:05] Olivia: Here's another thing we could talk about. We could talk about dream journaling, the practice of it, you know.

[00:52:10] Victor: Oh, that'd be a great topic.

[00:52:11] Olivia: of it, you know,

[00:52:12] Victor: uh, yeah,

totally. Strategies Yeah. 

Tips started.

Um, and we could also talk about dreams in culture and history.

[00:52:19] Olivia: yeah. Historical dreams. That's a good, 

we could talk about trauma and nightmares.

Didn't

[00:52:27] Victor: Be juicy, juicy content.

Um, and I guess we could talk about sleep and mental health.

[00:52:33] Olivia: Yeah, they are related. 

[00:52:35] Victor: They are connected.

I've heard there's a connection. So yeah,

[00:52:39] Olivia: So there's eight things off the top of our

[00:52:42] Victor: content four days.

[00:52:44] Zach: We could talk about Rolling Stones. Seven best guitar solos.

[00:52:51] Olivia: Hey, hey Victor. 

Um, 

what are the Rolling Stones? Seven best guitar 

solos.

[00:52:59] Victor: let, let me answer that for you. Um,

[00:53:04] Zach: Do they really have a list? That's exactly seven.

[00:53:06] Victor: yeah. Um, yeah, I just conjured up this list of the Rolling Stones seven best guitar

[00:53:12] Zach: off the top of my head.

[00:53:13] Victor: as ranked on their website. Number number

[00:53:17] Zach: no, no. Wait. I wanna guess what number one is

[00:53:19] Victor: Go ahead. Guess what, number

one 

[00:53:21] Zach: along the watch tower.

[00:53:23] Olivia: Nope,

[00:53:25] Victor: Uh, that I, I will tell you that's on the list.

Uh, number one actually is Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin. Number two is Eruption by Van Halen. Number three, Freebird by Leonard Skynyrd. 

Um, all right. All right. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put this toy away.

[00:53:50] Zach: You mean the internet?

[00:53:52] Victor: Yeah. Some of our more astute listeners may have, uh, picked up on that was not actually organic. Uh, uh, coming from our minds, those lists, uh, that was actually yet more, uh, ai, uh, rambling.

[00:54:09] Zach: Hmm, that's actually this whole thing has been ai. You're not even listening to our voices. 

[00:54:15] Olivia: I am not even a real person. My voice is entirely generated by

[00:54:20] Zach: Olivia died.

[00:54:21] Olivia: and my personality too, and all the dreams 

actually. 

[00:54:24] Zach: died eight years ago, and we just uploaded her consciousness to the

[00:54:28] Olivia: they've been keeping me alive

[00:54:30] Victor: through

[00:54:31] Olivia: this podcast.

[00:54:32] Zach: maintaining a Facebook presence.

[00:54:34] Victor: Keeps insisting that she's not really Olivia, but I know.

[00:54:39] Zach: Hey, Shelby's calling me right now. Do you mind if I take this real quick? One moment. 

It's okay. What time is

[00:54:45] Olivia: I'm gonna go jerk off.

[00:54:48] Zach: Okay. you back?

[00:54:49] Victor: Hey, wait up for me. 

Thank you for listening to The Jung and the Restless. You can follow us on social media at The Jung and the Restless Pod and submit your dreams for interpretation to The Jung and the Restless Pod at Gmail.

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